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Topic: Your God doesn't believe in you!
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Tue 06/24/08 02:59 PM
Edited by smiless on Tue 06/24/08 03:03 PM
What if the very God you are worshipping, whatever the religious belief you believe in, is actually the very God that wanted the destruction of the human race.

Now I know some of you will say impossible, yet think about it for a moment. The very God you believe in and dedicated your whole life and faith into is the very God that actually wanted the destruction of the human race!

And

the very God that actually preserved your life and allowed it to flourish on this planet is the very God everyone is not paying attention to like suppose to be.

If this were to be true as a fact how would you redeem your thoughts and ways? How would you correct what you didn't certainly know but believed it to be true?

This question is for those who believe in a God or greater being, which is about 5 billion people on this planet. Correct?





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Tue 06/24/08 03:09 PM

What if the very God you are worshipping, whatever the religious belief you believe in, is actually the very God that wanted the destruction of the human race.

Now I know some of you will say impossible, yet think about it for a moment. The very God you believe in and dedicated your whole life and faith into is the very God that actually wanted the destruction of the human race!

And

the very God that actually preserved your life and allowed it to flourish on this planet is the very God everyone is not paying attention to like suppose to be.

If this were to be true as a fact how would you redeem your thoughts and ways? How would you correct what you didn't certainly know but believed it to be true?

This question is for those who believe in a God or greater being, which is about 5 billion people on this planet. Correct?







LoL John! You must be bored today. laugh

Anyway keep the posts coming. I am enjoying them.

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Tue 06/24/08 03:12 PM


What if the very God you are worshipping, whatever the religious belief you believe in, is actually the very God that wanted the destruction of the human race.

Now I know some of you will say impossible, yet think about it for a moment. The very God you believe in and dedicated your whole life and faith into is the very God that actually wanted the destruction of the human race!

And

the very God that actually preserved your life and allowed it to flourish on this planet is the very God everyone is not paying attention to like suppose to be.

If this were to be true as a fact how would you redeem your thoughts and ways? How would you correct what you didn't certainly know but believed it to be true?

This question is for those who believe in a God or greater being, which is about 5 billion people on this planet. Correct?







LoL John! You must be bored today. laugh

Anyway keep the posts coming. I am enjoying them.


Hi Dennis,

I am taking a break from drawing today, but don't worry will finish my project soon. It is exciting nevertheless to see how people react to the possiblilities!


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Tue 06/24/08 03:12 PM
Edited by Rapunzel on Tue 06/24/08 03:14 PM
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Tue 06/24/08 03:17 PM
and just what if we are right, and you are the one that is wrong? too late to pay the piper when your soul is on it's way to purgatory for eternity.

i'm not going to get into an argument about the semantics of religion. i believe, and you don't.

if i'm wrong, no loss. i have led a good life, and have nothing to be ashamed of, or remorse over. i have made mistakes, we all have. i have prayed to my God for guidance, and i realize that the answers i got were from within myself.

am i going to say that a non-believer is wrong? no. i was, at a point in my life, an agnostic, and then an athiest. did i try to detract from another person's beliefs? no. that comes from a good upbringing, not from the church.

being raised catholic, we were fed guilt with everything we did.
do i feel guilt for some things i have done? yes. i have commited infractions of decent societie's rules, and man's laws. do i think that now, having God in my life again, that i will get into heaven because i have asked for forgiveness? that's tough to answer. i simply don't know.

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Tue 06/24/08 03:21 PM

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Tue 06/24/08 03:23 PM

and just what if we are right, and you are the one that is wrong? too late to pay the piper when your soul is on it's way to purgatory for eternity.

i'm not going to get into an argument about the semantics of religion. i believe, and you don't.

if i'm wrong, no loss. i have led a good life, and have nothing to be ashamed of, or remorse over. i have made mistakes, we all have. i have prayed to my God for guidance, and i realize that the answers i got were from within myself.

am i going to say that a non-believer is wrong? no. i was, at a point in my life, an agnostic, and then an athiest. did i try to detract from another person's beliefs? no. that comes from a good upbringing, not from the church.

being raised catholic, we were fed guilt with everything we did.
do i feel guilt for some things i have done? yes. i have commited infractions of decent societie's rules, and man's laws. do i think that now, having God in my life again, that i will get into heaven because i have asked for forgiveness? that's tough to answer. i simply don't know.


Very true and alot of tough questions everyone wishes to really know. I think most importantly that you have found inner peace within yourself with whatever belief system you believe in.

Thank you for posting your opinion:smile:

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Tue 06/24/08 03:37 PM
Edited by Rapunzel on Tue 06/24/08 03:38 PM


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Tue 06/24/08 03:48 PM
Edited by Rapunzel on Tue 06/24/08 03:51 PM

and just what if we are right, and you are the one that is wrong? too late to pay the piper when your soul is on it's way to purgatory for eternity.

i'm not going to get into an argument about the semantics of religion. i believe, and you don't.

if i'm wrong, no loss. i have led a good life, and have nothing to be ashamed of, or remorse over. i have made mistakes, we all have. i have prayed to my God for guidance, and i realize that the answers i got were from within myself.

am i going to say that a non-believer is wrong? no. i was, at a point in my life, an agnostic, and then an athiest. did i try to detract from another person's beliefs? no. that comes from a good upbringing, not from the church.

being raised catholic, we were fed guilt with everything we did.
do i feel guilt for some things i have done? yes. i have commited infractions of decent societie's rules, and man's laws. do i think that now, having God in my life again, that i will get into heaven because i have asked for forgiveness? that's tough to answer. i simply don't know.




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i was raised Catholic too, having gone to Catholic School also


& I can attest to the major guilt trip & total trash

that was fed to us on a daily basis from the time of infancy

and even though i try hard to find common denominators ...


flowerforyou i do profess Christianity wholeheartedly ...flowerforyou

noway but not the glitzy stuff they show on TV noway


frown I am not a member of any particular denomination frown

flowerforyou I would be considered inter or non denominational flowerforyou






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Tue 06/24/08 04:23 PM


and just what if we are right, and you are the one that is wrong? too late to pay the piper when your soul is on it's way to purgatory for eternity.

i'm not going to get into an argument about the semantics of religion. i believe, and you don't.

if i'm wrong, no loss. i have led a good life, and have nothing to be ashamed of, or remorse over. i have made mistakes, we all have. i have prayed to my God for guidance, and i realize that the answers i got were from within myself.

am i going to say that a non-believer is wrong? no. i was, at a point in my life, an agnostic, and then an athiest. did i try to detract from another person's beliefs? no. that comes from a good upbringing, not from the church.

being raised catholic, we were fed guilt with everything we did.
do i feel guilt for some things i have done? yes. i have commited infractions of decent societie's rules, and man's laws. do i think that now, having God in my life again, that i will get into heaven because i have asked for forgiveness? that's tough to answer. i simply don't know.




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i was raised Catholic too, having gone to Catholic School also


& I can attest to the major guilt trip & total trash

that was fed to us on a daily basis from the time of infancy

and even though i try hard to find common denominators ...


flowerforyou i do profess Christianity wholeheartedly ...flowerforyou

noway but not the glitzy stuff they show on TV noway


frown I am not a member of any particular denomination frown

flowerforyou I would be considered inter or non denominational flowerforyou








but what if that God and belief system you believe in is really the god who wishes the end of human life. Would you still believe in the bible? Would you still preach that you are a Christian.

What if that god that everyone hates "Lucifer or the devil" is actually the god who saved mankind! Allowed humans to thrive?

I know it is hard for you to accept or believe and that is fine, but let us say this is a "FACT"? Would you apologize for the harm you did by preaching christianity is good? Would you remain stubborn and say it can't be, but it is!

What would you do or would you do anything?


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Tue 06/24/08 04:25 PM
Edited by smiless on Tue 06/24/08 04:32 PM

and just what if we are right, and you are the one that is wrong? too late to pay the piper when your soul is on it's way to purgatory for eternity.

i'm not going to get into an argument about the semantics of religion. i believe, and you don't.

if i'm wrong, no loss. i have led a good life, and have nothing to be ashamed of, or remorse over. i have made mistakes, we all have. i have prayed to my God for guidance, and i realize that the answers i got were from within myself.

am i going to say that a non-believer is wrong? no. i was, at a point in my life, an agnostic, and then an athiest. did i try to detract from another person's beliefs? no. that comes from a good upbringing, not from the church.

being raised catholic, we were fed guilt with everything we did.
do i feel guilt for some things i have done? yes. i have commited infractions of decent societie's rules, and man's laws. do i think that now, having God in my life again, that i will get into heaven because i have asked for forgiveness? that's tough to answer. i simply don't know.


I am not disagreeing with your belief system. Perhaps you are absolutely correct with it. I am asking what if it were the case that you are worshipping or believing in something that really doesn't want your kind to exist.


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Tue 06/24/08 05:05 PM



and just what if we are right, and you are the one that is wrong? too late to pay the piper when your soul is on it's way to purgatory for eternity.

i'm not going to get into an argument about the semantics of religion. i believe, and you don't.

if i'm wrong, no loss. i have led a good life, and have nothing to be ashamed of, or remorse ovehttp://www.justsayhi.com/topic/reply/136996?quote=4333365r. i have made mistakes, we all have. i have prayed to my God for guidance, and i realize that the answers i got were from within myself.

am i going to say that a non-believer is wrong? no. i was, at a point in my life, an agnostic, and then an athiest. did i try to detract from another person's beliefs? no. that comes from a good upbringing, not from the church.

being raised catholic, we were fed guilt with everything we did.
do i feel guilt for some things i have done? yes. i have commited infractions of decent societie's rules, and man's laws. do i think that now, having God in my life again, that i will get into heaven because i have asked for forgiveness? that's tough to answer. i simply don't know.




{{{{{{{ <<<<<<< Love & hugs to you :heart: Sweet Soldier Man Sully >>>>>>> }}}}}}}


love smooched :heart: smooched love smooched :heart: smooched love smooched :heart: smooched love smooched :heart: smooched love smooched :heart: smooched love


i was raised Catholic too, having gone to Catholic School also


& I can attest to the major guilt trip & total trash

that was fed to us on a daily basis from the time of infancy

and even though i try hard to find common denominators ...


flowerforyou i do profess Christianity wholeheartedly ...flowerforyou

noway but not the glitzy stuff they show on TV noway


frown I am not a member of any particular denomination frown

flowerforyou I would be considered inter or non denominational flowerforyou








but what if that God and belief system you believe in is really the god who wishes the end of human life. Would you still believe in the bible? Would you still preach that you are a Christian.

What if that god that everyone hates "Lucifer or the devil" is actually the god who saved mankind! Allowed humans to thrive?

I know it is hard for you to accept or believe and that is fine, but let us say this is a "FACT"? Would you apologize for the harm you did by preaching christianity is good? Would you remain stubborn and say it can't be, but it is!

What would you do or would you do anything?





i have to get ready for a jewelry making class...


you can think of <what if's >till the end of time...

i am not close minded or crystallized into a mold

i have looked around & i have checked out other ways


but i believe so strongly :heart: and have witnessed miracles smokin

in the Name of Jesus drinker , not in anyone else's name noway

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Tue 06/24/08 05:22 PM
Have fun in jewelry class.

You didn't answer the question to the forum and you don't have to. It is not problem. Have a great day.:smile:

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Tue 06/24/08 05:27 PM
THAT DOES IT....I'M JOINING THE CHURCH OF "EXACT CHANGE ONLY"......glasses

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Tue 06/24/08 05:42 PM
Edited by MorningSong on Tue 06/24/08 05:53 PM
Smiless......

The thing is...true born again Christians have NO doubt about God.......simply because God let us KNOW He is REAL, when we asked Jesus into our hearts and meant it.

When we asked Jesus in, God's Holy Spirit also bore witness with our spirit, letting us KNOW that we are His childrenen now.
Smiless, that is how Christians KNOW God is REAL .

A christian who is truy born again, can't undo being born again, Smiless.
Something transpired in the born again spirit of man, that is supernatural....and that is why Christianity is not just another religion out there( actually , Jesus was never meant to be turned into a religion..man did that).

But Smiless, for those who have TRULY become born again, christianity is about RELATONSHIP, and NOT religion at all.
True Christanity is about RELATIONSHIP ... a relationship established back with God.

And this relationship is available for ALL mankind.
God wants this Relationship ( NOT religion) established back with ALL of his creation...not just some.
JESUS was sent for All MANKIND .


When you become saved, you Join Jesus, NOT a religion.
Although Christianity is still considered a religion, for true born again BELIEVERS , christianity is NOT about religion at all, but relationship.

And God reveals Himself to those who are born again....and that is how we KNOW that God is REAL.
No Doubts !!!
We KNOW that we KNOW that we KNOW..that we are born again..and God is REAL!!!
NO DOUBTS!!!flowerforyou

Andagain... becoming born again is offered to all man...no matter what the religion.....cause Jesus is NOT about religion..at all.flowerforyou

But Jesus is the way back to the Father God.flowerforyou
The ONLY Way. flowerforyou

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Tue 06/24/08 05:49 PM
I am not asking a lesson in Christianity!!!! I already know that you are a hardcore Christian and I have nothing against those who cherish this belief system.

The question is let us say we find out in 2100 that there is proof that the God you worship with all of its beliefs in religion it teaches is not true. That it is actually the opposite of what you have been studying.

How would you deal with it?

Let us say that it become evident as a FACT that the religion or god you worship is truly the god that wanted to end human life, but didn't succeed and the god that preserved us isn't getting the attention it deserved.

Would you still worship your religion?

Those are my questions and nothing more.

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Tue 06/24/08 07:18 PM
Edited by MorningSong on Tue 06/24/08 07:21 PM
Then that question can ony apply to those involved in religion, and not relationship with God.

Cause true Christianity is about RELATONSHIP ,and not Religion at all.

So therefore the question does not apply to true christians.

It would be the same as someone asking you, " what if you found out you were never born ?"
Why...you KNOW you were born.. you are ALIVE.

Same with a Christian..they KNOW they are BORN AGAIN..so the question does not apply..cause there are NO doubts about God being REAL to a christian.....and also ,there is no doubt about a christian's RELATONSHIP with God...at all.

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Tue 06/24/08 07:27 PM
Edited by smiless on Tue 06/24/08 07:48 PM
The question is also valid to a true christian.

Let us say you have your faith and relationship in believing what the bible teaches you, yet one day you find out that the very book you preach everyday in these forums is not true.

You find out that the very religion you believe to be the ultimate answer to all things needed to sustain in life and afterlife is nothing but a lie.

So as you find out that this religion you learn is actually the opposite of what you thought.

Now we know you don't believe in this, but I ask you to think further and put yourself in the situation that it is proven that it is a fact that Christianity is actually the teaches of ending human life!

Is it so hard to answer that question or will you always elude it by saying the question is illogical and comparing it with birth of a child?


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Tue 06/24/08 07:44 PM
Such blaspheme! You know you are going straight to hell don't you?????? hahahahahahhahaha You free thinking spirit, you!

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Tue 06/24/08 08:32 PM

The question is also valid to a true christian.

Let us say you have your faith and relationship in believing what the bible teaches you, yet one day you find out that the very book you preach everyday in these forums is not true.

You find out that the very religion you believe to be the ultimate answer to all things needed to sustain in life and afterlife is nothing but a lie.

So as you find out that this religion you learn is actually the opposite of what you thought.

Now we know you don't believe in this, but I ask you to think further and put yourself in the situation that it is proven that it is a fact that Christianity is actually the teaches of ending human life!

Is it so hard to answer that question or will you always elude it by saying the question is illogical and comparing it with birth of a child?





Smiless.....once again, what you wrote does NOT apply to a TRUE born again christian....simply because TRUE christianity is NOT about religion!!

Smiless.....something supernatural took place in a christian's spirit, when he asked Jesus into his heart and MEANT it..... that person now became a brand new creature in Christ.....cause his old dead spirit is now BORN AGAIN!!

Too late to try to change a born again christian....cause that former person is NO MORE.....that FORMER person NOW has a BRAND NEW SPIRIT living in him .....in other words...that former person has become BORN AGAIN!!!

See Smiles.....we christians did NOT join a religion, we Joined Jesus......and that is why I say, TRUE christianity is NOT NOT about joinng some religion !!!

Although yes, there are some "christians" out there, that are just into "religion", and nothing more, sad to say.
(This is churchiolity for you , not christianity)

Once more TRUE Christianity is about RELATIONSHIP.
Relationship back with the Father .

And that RELATIONSHIP can ONLY come ,by accepting Jesus... and when man does, he becomes BORN AGAIN ...and is NEVER the same afterwards!!!
EVER AGAIN!!

And a christian can't become UNBORN, once he is BORN AGAIN!!

Once more, this question you asked, does not apply to true christians....but it may apply to those caught up in religiousity , only.

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