hmmm? i like that but it's late and im seepy, so off to bed we will continue this tomorrow if you like? g'nite goddess

in my experience, i find that i operate out of either fear or love. when i decide to be a loving person, i am drawing nearer to God. if i decide to be a fearful person, i am departing from my faith in God. that pretty much sums it up... moment to moment, i have this choice with each of those.
Namaste

JB:

I cannot draw a line between what I am and this body because I do not identify with this body as a whole self, only in part.

However, I can talk a little of the creature (or body) in terms of its limitations and programs.

It is a part of me that was manifested with substance and information available and is a biological pre-programed machine that is an environment for my personal self and consciousness.

A machine that is custom designed for me by me.


tribo:

ok, i guess what i'm asking you is if you agree or disagree with my point that while we are in this body, we are at our core a self centered entity? if your answer is no, then what are your feelings or take on this? thnx.

You have been given the right question to ask yourself and failed to come to the right conclusion.

Point being, you would have to ask the voice that gave the question to you for the answer.

Instead, you jumped to conclusions assuming that the question came from you and you alone.

pat yourself on the back then and be done with it.

It isn't the book, tribo, it is the reason for the book that eludes you.

you wasted your time reading it.

That is apparent.

You had no intention of seeking God, only excuse.

That is clear by the evidence of your judgement.

The Mind of Christ is preciisely the point and the prize sought and hoped for.

Dare you to start over and approac the exercise hoping for affirmation of the truth?

Only God knows the sincerity of such a renewed effort.

And only goid can give you the answer.

The paradox for you is that God would ask you to enter the club for confirmation. It's His doing.

That road block seems to be the wall in your garden of Eden.

He will not answer apart from acknowledging to you his own affirmations of things Christian.

But then, your faith is in pterist machinations that can only assume that futurists are delusional.

There is an alternative. It is called NOW.

And now is the acceptable day of the Lord, something you ignore.

It would be entirely impossible for God to reveal Himself to you with a new course for mankind seeing how it is that God has not finished with the present course afforded man.

Works or the righteousness of God in Christ.

Wear either and you won't be a dissembler.

Unless that is your works for works sake.

Still, God is not in that.

Nor will God identify with that.

Excuses, tribo, nothing but excuses.

Wouldee, i don't believe in your god period!

i agree with the preterist view over the futurist view as being more correct.

that said, i could care less if any are true!

enjoy your belief and faith in that you are within.

We all have our beliefs, mine differ from yours and others, that is my right to do so.

i will not talk to you anymore on this subject ok?

i will let you be happy in your belief, i only ask the same from you and others.

sincerely tribo

I would have to read your book to decide that for certain. I don't make conclusions until I have evaluated the information.

Here are my current thoughts on that: I believe that the creature (human) is designed with survival instincts which include personal survival of their own life and survival of their immediate family and lastly the survival of their species.

Above that, they have the will to choose in opposition to their natural programing.

If a human was 100% selfish about his own life people would not die for others.

I saw a clip on television last night where a man was interviewed about the Chernobyl disaster and the clean up afterwards. That happened in 1986. He could hardly hold back tears when he talked about the men who went on what they knew was a suicide mission to build a containment structure for that plant. He said there were 6000 men, who (eventually) died from exposure from cleaning up that mess. I don't know how true that is or if those are the official numbers but he was a witness.

There may be a deeper core in mankind that will choose to die for the survival and protection of others. Is that selfish? I don't know. I have not read your book so I don't know what you mean by selfish.

JB

Thanks G,

im my book i touch on the subject of mans selfishnees leading to good deeds and acts. I am not of the persuasion that man is not capable of good, but that it still is at his core for selfish reasons. a statement i make is i believe that a good person is capable of committing the most haneous acts as a bad person can do the most seemingly good acts. I also truly believe that the acts of self sacrifice for loved ones or even strangers is born out of a putting aside for the moment one's self centered instincts. But i also state that after these heroic or loving deeds he returns quickly to his original core being.

Most good that man does which are not of this nature are selfish, self centered actions.

I would agree with that because the programing of self survival is what I call the primary operating system of the creature. But I would hesitate to call that the "core" of human consciousness. It is more a front and center primary operating system. (Like window XP vs the hard drive.)

The operating system, the hard drive are the creature's programs. The core of self is the user. It is not the creature.

JB

And i can only talk of the core of human conscienceness as i know it and live within it. I surely don't think you wrong on your take of what we are physically is all we are. i know that we definitely are more that the sum total of what we can now percieve with our limited abilities.

but first i know also that unless you know yourself and why you act the way you do - you cannot go forward to such things as you talk of and others. Were to easily swayed by the thinking of others before we even know ourselves firstly.
one has to firstly build a foundation of who and what they are before even proceeding in thinking what lies beyond that which we know at our core is true of us on this plane.

It's a long way from this beginning before i can even talk to others about what lies beyond what we now easily can perceive, don't you agree?

This is the feeling I get from that idea. Correct me if I am way off base.



1. That is not the way I would read a non-fiction book.

I scan the book quickly from beginning to end, then read it from start to finish, then reread the chapters I need to learn.

(You seem like a person who might get stuck on the first chapter and memorize it completely before you went to the next one.)

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2. When I clean my house I go through it quickly picking up clutter and organizing things loosely. Then I focus on specific areas and start detailing.

(You seem like a person who might start in one corner and detail it to death and never get to the rest of the house.)

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When I paint a picture I work the entire canvas, bringing it all together and detailing it last. I don't work on one small item at a time until completed and then move to the next one.

Some artists do work this way. It works for them. It is not the best way nor the traditional way but I have seen people who do it successfully.

Point is, I attempt to grasp the whole first, then I study the details.

I agree we need to know and understand ourselves and the creature (body). But you said:

>>>but first i know also that unless you know yourself and why you act the way you do - you cannot go forward to such things as you talk of and others.<<<

I disagree with this idea. You must go forward to spiritual things and you can before you know the little self (the creature) for it is not the true self, it is a machine.

I use my computer and I can even build a computer with parts that are available to buy. I can design my own computer and put in my choice of programs and operating systems, but I am not my computer. It is a machine. Neither do I understand how it works or how to write programs. That was technology and knowledge done by others that I am simply using. It is the same with the little self, the body.

JB

and this is where i depart from metaphysics.... can't be rolling with that ego. Eases God Out.

"It is obvious that to truly (and fundamentally) Know Thyself and how we are to live requires understanding how we exist as Matter in Space, which can now be explained with the Wave Structure of Matter (thus explaining the metaphysical foundations of Darwinian Evolution and Freud's Theories)."

From:
http://www.spaceandmotion.com/Philosophy-Sigmund-Freud-Psychoanalysis.htm

Ego is an important part of the entire picture of mankind's existence.

Sigmund Freud said:
"The first human who hurled an insult instead of a stone was the founder of civilization."

To give up the search for understanding how we exist (Metaphysics) and fall back on the lazy and mindless idea that "God created everything" as the final and complete answer is to give up on science, knowledge and self realization.

JB

This is so true and the reason why one should explore more then one idealogy. Get a view on the many prospects available to us. The only problem there is too much to study!!! I couldn't possibly learn it all in one lifetime!

I agree That is why I like to do a huge overview of information before I delve into a particular area of study. You can spend your entire life studying and teaching something that is limited and flawed or even totally on the wrong track.

JB

I understand your take on how you work G, i have no problem with that, but that is you. You must understand that my book contains much more than just we, as we are in this dimension, but if a foundation has to be in place i prefer to make it sonething someone can relate to on this level of exsistance that they can readily comprhend before going forward as both you and i have done. Your point is taken but many if not most are not there yet don't you agree????

It has not taken me my whole life to get there once i started this journey i can honestly say it was less than 2 yeras before i know all that i know on this matter and started writing upon it.

You make it sound - unfortunately- as if it has taken me most fo my life, though i doubt you see what you've stated that way. the book contains 3 parts maybe 4 when finished, it lays the foundatin, goes on to what lies beyond that, then to how we can achieve all we are able to acheive. since i refuse to discuss it on here your gonna have to be patient. but laying the foundation is just that. laying the foundation, if it is not there to begin with then there is nothing to build upon. I think if you stop to realize this if you all ready have not, you will see it's importance - if not - oh well.

I do see its importance. I did not get to be the person I am today without understanding myself and why I think and feel the things I do. There have been many books I have read that have helped me learn these things. Once you recognize yourself and your reactions and feelings and the reasons for them, you can then understand others much much better.

Can't wait to read your book.

tnx.