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Topic: bullys of usa
01tim's photo
Sun 08/10/08 12:29 PM
it seems to me that the united states government are nothing but a bunch of bully's, they don't mind attacking a little country like iraq, but don't say anything to a super power like Russia, Russia has oil. so guess our government are just cowards

soxfan94's photo
Sun 08/10/08 12:33 PM

it seems to me that the united states government are nothing but a bunch of bully's, they don't mind attacking a little country like iraq, but don't say anything to a super power like Russia, Russia has oil. so guess our government are just cowards


Are you implying that Iraq doesn't have oil?

noway

MirrorMirror's photo
Sun 08/10/08 12:34 PM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Sun 08/10/08 12:36 PM
glasses I know that the country that Russia is crushing right now is an ally of the U.S. and they are supporting us in Iraq.glasses They have already asked for our help.glassesThe Georgians had our back, do we got their back?glasses

no photo
Sun 08/10/08 12:38 PM
"nothing but" is an 'over the top' expression for the united states. there are other issues at hand other than oil, terrorism being one of them - just for food for thought.
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01tim's photo
Sun 08/10/08 01:02 PM
no i,m saying the usa government will only attack countrys like iraq, because they no if they attack russia, they have same bombs as us in usa, and a bigger army.

soxfan94's photo
Sun 08/10/08 01:08 PM

no i,m saying the usa government will only attack countrys like iraq, because they no if they attack russia, they have same bombs as us in usa, and a bigger army.


Exactly, so that's intelligence in international politics, not being cowards. Also, there were far ranging consequences with Iraq...raning from their harboring of terrorists to their continued destabilization of the Middle East. Russia, although corrupt and increasingly powerful, is contained for the moment and the last thing we need to do is give them a reason to be any more belligerent towards us than they already are.

01tim's photo
Sun 08/10/08 01:12 PM
as a American. who came from Ukraine. i have been saying for a long time. people needed to beware of Russia. i have been called crazy. but as things are going now i was right all along. it seems our government only attacks little pis see country like Iraq, after all our army can not even beat Iraq in a war. how will they beat another super power.

soxfan94's photo
Sun 08/10/08 01:18 PM

as a American. who came from Ukraine. i have been saying for a long time. people needed to beware of Russia. i have been called crazy. but as things are going now i was right all along. it seems our government only attacks little pis see country like Iraq, after all our army can not even beat Iraq in a war. how will they beat another super power.


Many expert in international policy have been warning against Russia for a while now. They've eliminated their national debt, tightened their authoritarian government style, increased corruption, and continued with their human rights violations. However, they are still a world superpower and we don't have the liberty to simply attack them at leisure. The results, as I've said, would be devastating. It's akin to other countries' inability to attack us because we would retaliate swiftly and strongly.

It's ENTIRELY different from the war in Iraq. The war in Iraq is not against the country, but rather against the terrorists which are harbored there. We are trying to bolster the country while destroying our enemy. This is counter-intuitive to every traditional notion of war. Generally, war intends to destroy the infrastructure through attacks. But in Iraq, we have to preserve the infrastructure in order to facilitate the rebuilding of the country and civilization. This is extremely delicate and hard, and that is a major reason why the war effort is going so slowly. If we were to attack a country like Russia, we would be able to exert our militaristic force much more easily and take out their infrastructure rather than tiptoe around.

01tim's photo
Sun 08/10/08 01:23 PM
but on war in Iraq, i think your leaving out the facts, the facts are before we invaded Iraq. there were no terrorist there.as for USA attacking Russia. it would be a blood bath. USA would have to bring back the draft. then there is the nukes. it would wipe out life as we no it. the best thing the USA can do is. not get in to Russian business.

soxfan94's photo
Sun 08/10/08 01:27 PM

as for USA attacking Russia. it would be a blood bath. USA would have to bring back the draft. then there is the nukes. it would wipe out life as we no it. the best thing the USA can do is. not get in to Russian business.


That's what I've been saying the whole time. But yet you called them cowards for doing that, and now you're saying it's the smart move.


but on war in Iraq, i think your leaving out the facts, the facts are before we invaded Iraq. there were no terrorist there.


I never said that there were terrorists there when the war started. I said that the war is going slowly now because they are fighting terrorists. Whether or not you agree with the reason for the war, or agree that there were terrorists there at the beginning (I disagree with both, mostly), the fact is that now they are fighting insurgents and terrorists while trying to save the country from ruining the infrastructure.

01tim's photo
Sun 08/10/08 01:33 PM
well you see here is my problem. i personal dont beleive there is such a thing as war on terror. just another republican scare trick.yes i did call our government cowards. and i stick bye that statement.its hard for me to say bad things about my homeland Russia, no there not perfect. but i have lived in usa for 43 years now. so i,m a american. but Russia has the same right to invade who they want. it should be Russian business. not USA .

soxfan94's photo
Sun 08/10/08 01:35 PM

well you see here is my problem. i personal dont beleive there is such a thing as war on terror. just another republican scare trick.yes i did call our government cowards. and i stick bye that statement.its hard for me to say bad things about my homeland Russia, no there not perfect. but i have lived in usa for 43 years now. so i,m a american. but Russia has the same right to invade who they want. it should be Russian business. not USA .


So you're agreeing with the American response to avoid military conflict with Russia, but calling them cowards for doing it? That's contradictory.

And yes I agree that the war on terror is a largely fictional pretext for governmental power under the Republican heading. However, there is no doubt that insurgent resistance in Iraq is real and furious.

01tim's photo
Sun 08/10/08 01:40 PM
for the last time, what i,m saying is our government don't mind attacking Iraq, but wont say to much to Russia, that in my book is being a coward.

soxfan94's photo
Sun 08/10/08 01:42 PM

for the last time, what i,m saying is our government don't mind attacking Iraq, but wont say to much to Russia, that in my book is being a coward.


But you're agreeing that being a coward is the smart and appropriate move?

01tim's photo
Sun 08/10/08 01:47 PM
being a coward. our government for once in 8 years is using its brain. if not russia. would wipe us off the map.

no photo
Sun 08/10/08 01:52 PM
Edited by Unknow on Sun 08/10/08 01:53 PM

but on war in Iraq, i think your leaving out the facts, the facts are before we invaded Iraq. there were no terrorist there.as for USA attacking Russia. it would be a blood bath. USA would have to bring back the draft. then there is the nukes. it would wipe out life as we no it. the best thing the USA can do is. not get in to Russian business.
Ask your Comrads about invading Afghanistan.....

Chazster's photo
Sun 08/10/08 02:16 PM
Why would we attack Russia? We have no reason to. Also its the government "is" not the government "are"...

120557's photo
Sun 08/10/08 02:20 PM

being a coward. our government for once in 8 years is using its brain. if not russia. would wipe us off the map.
As for this statment, I you think anyone can wipe us off the map, then you need a new country to live in. Are you willing to say F**K IT and send all our missles in the air. What purpose would that serve other than making it impossable to live in certian ares. No, if we go against another country like Russia, we will use conventional warfare. What are other countries like Canada, France, Germany, ect. doing to help? Nothing like usual. Learn the facts before you speak. If not, I sugest that you ask people like Fanta (whom I do not agree with most of the time), what they know!

Chazster's photo
Sun 08/10/08 02:29 PM
Edited by Chazster on Sun 08/10/08 02:30 PM


being a coward. our government for once in 8 years is using its brain. if not russia. would wipe us off the map.
As for this statment, I you think anyone can wipe us off the map, then you need a new country to live in. Are you willing to say F**K IT and send all our missles in the air. What purpose would that serve other than making it impossable to live in certian ares. No, if we go against another country like Russia, we will use conventional warfare. What are other countries like Canada, France, Germany, ect. doing to help? Nothing like usual. Learn the facts before you speak. If not, I sugest that you ask people like Fanta (whom I do not agree with most of the time), what they know!


Yes Russia may have a lot of nukes, but other than that they wouldn't really be a threat. For one, either of us could launch counter missiles and have them detonate over the ocean though radiation would still be a factor. Even if they nuked us they would lose US farm land which would drastically reduce the total food produced in the world and lower the number of people the Earth could sustain.

In non nuclear warfare we are far more advanced technologically and I am sure would be victorious, but again we have no reason to go to war with them.

Fanta46's photo
Sun 08/10/08 02:32 PM

for the last time, what i,m saying is our government don't mind attacking Iraq, but wont say to much to Russia, that in my book is being a coward.


Russia can thank their Bear Arse nuclear weapons exist!
If not we'd kick their arse!drinker

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