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warmachine's photo
Sun 09/14/08 08:52 AM
Democrats coasting to defeat
Posted by Ryan W. McMaken at September 14, 2008 12:33 AM

Everywhere I look, the polls show the Republicans surging and the Democrats receding at every level. How did the Dems manage to pull this off? In year 8 of the most unpopular GOP president since Nixon, the Dems look like they're about to lose the presidency yet again. And, if the current trend keeps up, they'll make far fewer gains in Congress than they'd hoped for.

Perhaps it's their clueless platform. I'll summarize.

The Dem platform:
1. Abortion: we love it. Everyone should have one. Anytime anywhere! More abortion! We love it! Hurray abortion! Sire, half the country is heartily opposed, but our funders tell us it's a winning issue.
2. We hate all women who aren't exactly like Hillary Clinton. See Bill Anderson on this one.
3. Sure, we're in the middle of the most unpopular war in American history, but we're too stupid to come out and say we're opposed to it. So you might as well vote for the GOP.
4. We hate white (i.e. Anglo) people. Sure, they make up the majority of the electorate in most states, but we can't be bothered with those people unless they have ivy league degrees.
5. Raise taxes! Every candidates that runs on raising taxes wins, right? Right? Right?


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Sun 09/14/08 09:10 AM
As with the Christian religion, the worst advertisement for Socialism is its adherents.
George Orwell

warmachine's photo
Sun 09/14/08 09:13 AM
smokin

t22learner's photo
Sun 09/14/08 11:33 AM
You were right. I didn't like that, but... Mr. McMaken seems indecisive:

Another reason to prefer Obama to McCain
By Ryan W. McMaken at June 12, 2008

"In light of the Supreme Court's recent decision that prisoners of the American state actually have some natural rights, Republicans like Sen. Lindsey Graham are actively vowing to do everything they can to make sure that habeus corpus (and most of what remains of the Bill of Rights) will be eliminated from our legal system forever.

Graham and the GOP all want judges like Scalia, of course. Judges that will conclude that the government can kill, imprison, and rob anyone it wants at any time as long as the state has decided it has a good reason to do so.

John Paul Stevens is on his last leg. If he's replaced by another Thomas or Scalia clone, you might as well start packing your bags for some secret federal cage ASAP."

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/021502.html

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Sun 09/14/08 12:40 PM
Edited by wouldee on Sun 09/14/08 12:41 PM
http://mises.org/story/2828

this link is to an article written by Mcmaken about Wal Mart and its influence over our commercial interests and how best these interests are defined by the actions of Americans, en mass.


But , here is a man that cannot see the forest for the trees.

hence, his duplicitous seemingly contradictory views of the observable and obvious realites of our poiltical landscape and the confusion of face evident in the monkey see, monkey do copycat world of American entrepreneural practices.


My case in point, rather than using Wal Mart as an example, is equally made coherent by a perspective shared by the advent of Blockbuster Video into the consumerist landscape.

Here is a fine example of the monkey see, monkey do aspect of profit driven theft of markets not secured through legal means of privileged access, but by grassroots service oriented enterprises by little mom and pop operations filling a niche market that gives place to itself through the "voting with the wallet" of consumers.

Renting a video as opposed to buying a video is cheaper and thus a frugal investment in entertainment by those of us of limited means.

the proliferation of these retail service enterprises created the market and filled the need and made possible the the same frugal monopoly given Blockbuster by the sheer size of its intended economy of scale.

nothing new was added to the marketplace, BUT THE SHIFTING OF THE CONSUMER'S VOTE.

The frugal consumer got the rental cheaper from Blockbuster and hence the mom and pops disappeared.

But in the end, Blockbuster charged as much as the mom and pops and made market access only the perview of the capitalized ventures with the economy of scale to conquer and destroy a nighe cottage industry.

A local dynamic was stolen by a centralized dynamic and profit was funneled to a few, whereas that profit was only visible through the vast efforts of little enterprises serving the needs of thoise with meager means and were rewarded with plunder and theft of their hard work by an entity that had the sole premise by design of being created and implememnted to steal the fruit of others by usurping the votes of those with meager means that "vote with their wallets"...

...and not necessarily with their conscience.




That ilk has invaded our societal conversation in many vast and diverse forms.

Our political landscaape is held hostage by the same tactic.

America has become hostage to this same "monkey see, monkey do" philosophy of life.



and we evolved from monkeys?



rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl



sounds like recessive mutant genes to me.


what were we talking about?

oh yeah, the libtards and retardicans.


oh well...........

t22learner's photo
Sun 09/14/08 01:16 PM
Yeah, the "Wal-Mart is good for the poor" article was priceless.

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Sun 09/14/08 01:29 PM

Democrats coasting to defeat
Posted by Ryan W. McMaken at September 14, 2008 12:33 AM

Everywhere I look, the polls show the Republicans surging and the Democrats receding at every level. How did the Dems manage to pull this off? In year 8 of the most unpopular GOP president since Nixon, the Dems look like they're about to lose the presidency yet again. And, if the current trend keeps up, they'll make far fewer gains in Congress than they'd hoped for.

Perhaps it's their clueless platform. I'll summarize.

The Dem platform:
1. Abortion: we love it. Everyone should have one. Anytime anywhere! More abortion! We love it! Hurray abortion! Sire, half the country is heartily opposed, but our funders tell us it's a winning issue.
2. We hate all women who aren't exactly like Hillary Clinton. See Bill Anderson on this one.
3. Sure, we're in the middle of the most unpopular war in American history, but we're too stupid to come out and say we're opposed to it. So you might as well vote for the GOP.
4. We hate white (i.e. Anglo) people. Sure, they make up the majority of the electorate in most states, but we can't be bothered with those people unless they have ivy league degrees.
5. Raise taxes! Every candidates that runs on raising taxes wins, right? Right? Right?




Well considering that pro choice means THEY WANT WOMEN TO HAVE THE CHOICE SHOULD THEY CHOOSE IT. It has absolutely nothing to do with encouraging abortion.

The Hillary Clinton thing is really stupid. People liked Hillary but just because Palin has a vagina that does not make her a good VP.

I am not sure what you meant on the war thing. Bush utilized the mourning of this country over 9/11 to persue an illegal target. Many in this country could only see the pain and frustration of that event and did not see what he was doing until it was too late. Of course there are still those that have not woken up from the brainwashing yet.

Wrong wrong wrong, Average Americans come in all shapes, colors and sizes, the right caters to the rich white elite. The forgotten people at this point, except for the very liberal "handout" by their illustrious leader, the average American is forgotten, left to suffer the results of this pres decision with no consideration for their plight. McCain will make them disappear all together if he gets into office.

Raising taxes, I love this one. Does anyone review whose taxes are going to be raised by each candidate? If you do your homework the tax increases are for the wealthy and corporations, from Obama and the tax breaks are for the average Joe. On McCains side the Tax Breaks are for the corporations and elite and the middle class get to continue to carry the load.

I figured you were more intune Warflowerforyou

warmachine's photo
Sun 09/14/08 09:05 PM
Ah, okay, lets see if I can combat this.


If you accept the totality of the Choice side of the issue, then you have to ask yourself when does womens right to choose begin to violate the right of the child growing in her womb. The moment that two people have intercourse without taking the proper precautions, I think the "right" to choose is moot, consequences exist for a reason.

Now, I think everyone knows that I am aware of the fact that there should be exceptions, such as rape, danger to the women, ETC, but the Dems want keep the one size fits all Roe V. Wade, which allows for late term abortions.

I know that this happens, because I used to live in Wichita, home of Tiller, now he hasn't been convicted yet, but in Wichita it's widely known that he is pulling some shady, evil and disgusting things.

There are some members of the Dem party that have made it seem like unless you act like Hillary, you're not a woman to be respected.
Thats just an observation, If I see it, so do the NeoCons.

The Obama campaign has been slick in the way that they criticize the war, but neglect to mention that the Dems could have stopped it a long long time ago, by simply refusing to fund it, never mind the Dem leaders running on impeachment and then taking it off the table.

I can't say I entirely agree with number 4, but then again, name me one non Ivy league wealthy guy thats white that the Dems talk about and champion?

Obama is going to raise taxes, now alot of Obama supporters jump to the "only for the rich" but it's not necessarily the rich thats the problem, its the Rich Corporate interests thats the problem. When you over tax the wealthy, guess what, they have the cash to move away from the overwhelming tax. Then who's left holding the bag?
Nevermind the obvious, Obama will do nothing to change monetary policy or foriegn policy. So the spending will continue, so where is the money going to come from for all of his social(ist) programs he talks about instituting.

tngxl65's photo
Sun 09/14/08 09:15 PM

Democrats coasting to defeat
Posted by Ryan W. McMaken at September 14, 2008 12:33 AM

Everywhere I look, the polls show the Republicans surging and the Democrats receding at every level. How did the Dems manage to pull this off? In year 8 of the most unpopular GOP president since Nixon, the Dems look like they're about to lose the presidency yet again. And, if the current trend keeps up, they'll make far fewer gains in Congress than they'd hoped for.

Perhaps it's their clueless platform. I'll summarize.

The Dem platform:
1. Abortion: we love it. Everyone should have one. Anytime anywhere! More abortion! We love it! Hurray abortion! Sire, half the country is heartily opposed, but our funders tell us it's a winning issue.
2. We hate all women who aren't exactly like Hillary Clinton. See Bill Anderson on this one.
3. Sure, we're in the middle of the most unpopular war in American history, but we're too stupid to come out and say we're opposed to it. So you might as well vote for the GOP.
4. We hate white (i.e. Anglo) people. Sure, they make up the majority of the electorate in most states, but we can't be bothered with those people unless they have ivy league degrees.
5. Raise taxes! Every candidates that runs on raising taxes wins, right? Right? Right?




Ignoring your obvious and intentional mischaracterization of the democratic platform....

To the point of the surge of the Republican candidate in the wake of the most unpopular president, who also happens to be Republican, it just goes to show what I still believe. The middle of the road voters aren't heavily influenced by party politics. In the end they will vote for the candidate that they feel most comfortable with. And I'm cool with that.

warmachine's photo
Sun 09/14/08 09:23 PM
Please help me out then, if I'm mischaracterizing the Democratics, show me where.

I have no issues in admitting I'm wrong if I actually am.

Lets not forget that I am far from a pro-republican voter.

In fact, I think the Republicans have become very disloyal to themselves and the Constitution, as long as it's acceptable by the NeoCons and the SuperChristies.

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Sun 09/14/08 09:26 PM

Ah, okay, lets see if I can combat this.


If you accept the totality of the Choice side of the issue, then you have to ask yourself when does womens right to choose begin to violate the right of the child growing in her womb. The moment that two people have intercourse without taking the proper precautions, I think the "right" to choose is moot, consequences exist for a reason.

Now, I think everyone knows that I am aware of the fact that there should be exceptions, such as rape, danger to the women, ETC, but the Dems want keep the one size fits all Roe V. Wade, which allows for late term abortions.

I know that this happens, because I used to live in Wichita, home of Tiller, now he hasn't been convicted yet, but in Wichita it's widely known that he is pulling some shady, evil and disgusting things.

There are some members of the Dem party that have made it seem like unless you act like Hillary, you're not a woman to be respected.
Thats just an observation, If I see it, so do the NeoCons.

The Obama campaign has been slick in the way that they criticize the war, but neglect to mention that the Dems could have stopped it a long long time ago, by simply refusing to fund it, never mind the Dem leaders running on impeachment and then taking it off the table.

I can't say I entirely agree with number 4, but then again, name me one non Ivy league wealthy guy thats white that the Dems talk about and champion?

Obama is going to raise taxes, now alot of Obama supporters jump to the "only for the rich" but it's not necessarily the rich thats the problem, its the Rich Corporate interests thats the problem. When you over tax the wealthy, guess what, they have the cash to move away from the overwhelming tax. Then who's left holding the bag?
Nevermind the obvious, Obama will do nothing to change monetary policy or foriegn policy. So the spending will continue, so where is the money going to come from for all of his social(ist) programs he talks about instituting.


I am not going to cover the abortion issue in totality right now but women should have the right to choose what happens inside of their bodies until men can get pregnant. Sorry if that does not blow your skirt up but it is what it is.

The Hillary thing is still stupid, people like Hillary or they don't but she is not the quintessential female either so it is a stagnate argument.

The Dems have only been in control in Congress for about a year and they will not stop the support to the troops for obvious reasons. I was very disappointed when I learned that the impeachment would not be persued but since the control in congress was so fleeting before he would be out of office anyway and the control in congress is shakey, it was understandable.

I cannot answer that, that one is for a more knowledgeable person about politicians. I don't know the names of all the Ivy league schools either. I am not an elitest so the "impressive" stuff has no effect on me.

Obama said that the tax increases would be corporate and the tax breaks they are getting for sending our jobs out of country will stop too.


You still cannot get away from the fact that the republicans are for the rich and priviledged and the middle class suffers greatly whenever they are in office.

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Sun 09/14/08 09:30 PM

Democrats coasting to defeat
Posted by Ryan W. McMaken at September 14, 2008 12:33 AM

Everywhere I look, the polls show the Republicans surging and the Democrats receding at every level. How did the Dems manage to pull this off? In year 8 of the most unpopular GOP president since Nixon, the Dems look like they're about to lose the presidency yet again. And, if the current trend keeps up, they'll make far fewer gains in Congress than they'd hoped for.

Perhaps it's their clueless platform. I'll summarize.

The Dem platform:
1. Abortion: we love it. Everyone should have one. Anytime anywhere! More abortion! We love it! Hurray abortion! Sire, half the country is heartily opposed, but our funders tell us it's a winning issue.
2. We hate all women who aren't exactly like Hillary Clinton. See Bill Anderson on this one.
3. Sure, we're in the middle of the most unpopular war in American history, but we're too stupid to come out and say we're opposed to it. So you might as well vote for the GOP.
4. We hate white (i.e. Anglo) people. Sure, they make up the majority of the electorate in most states, but we can't be bothered with those people unless they have ivy league degrees.
5. Raise taxes! Every candidates that runs on raising taxes wins, right? Right? Right?




I don't know if I am reading you correctly. Your summary is a joke, right? I truly hope so.

tngxl65's photo
Sun 09/14/08 09:32 PM

Please help me out then, if I'm mischaracterizing the Democratics, show me where.

I have no issues in admitting I'm wrong if I actually am.

Lets not forget that I am far from a pro-republican voter.

In fact, I think the Republicans have become very disloyal to themselves and the Constitution, as long as it's acceptable by the NeoCons and the SuperChristies.


As we say in geometric proofs. "it's obvious".

Your comments were so exaggerated, satirical, and inflammatory as to demand no legitimate consideration.

Winx's photo
Sun 09/14/08 09:34 PM

Ah, okay, lets see if I can combat this.


If you accept the totality of the Choice side of the issue, then you have to ask yourself when does womens right to choose begin to violate the right of the child growing in her womb. The moment that two people have intercourse without taking the proper precautions, I think the "right" to choose is moot, consequences exist for a reason.

Now, I think everyone knows that I am aware of the fact that there should be exceptions, such as rape, danger to the women, ETC, but the Dems want keep the one size fits all Roe V. Wade, which allows for late term abortions.

I know that this happens, because I used to live in Wichita, home of Tiller, now he hasn't been convicted yet, but in Wichita it's widely known that he is pulling some shady, evil and disgusting things.

There are some members of the Dem party that have made it seem like unless you act like Hillary, you're not a woman to be respected.
Thats just an observation, If I see it, so do the NeoCons.

The Obama campaign has been slick in the way that they criticize the war, but neglect to mention that the Dems could have stopped it a long long time ago, by simply refusing to fund it, never mind the Dem leaders running on impeachment and then taking it off the table.

I can't say I entirely agree with number 4, but then again, name me one non Ivy league wealthy guy thats white that the Dems talk about and champion?

Obama is going to raise taxes, now alot of Obama supporters jump to the "only for the rich" but it's not necessarily the rich thats the problem, its the Rich Corporate interests thats the problem. When you over tax the wealthy, guess what, they have the cash to move away from the overwhelming tax. Then who's left holding the bag?
Nevermind the obvious, Obama will do nothing to change monetary policy or foriegn policy. So the spending will continue, so where is the money going to come from for all of his social(ist) programs he talks about instituting.


Ummm...you don't have to worry about Obama raising taxes unless you make over $250,000 a year.

Also, pro-choice does NOT equal pro-abortion.

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Sun 09/14/08 09:52 PM


Ah, okay, lets see if I can combat this.


If you accept the totality of the Choice side of the issue, then you have to ask yourself when does womens right to choose begin to violate the right of the child growing in her womb. The moment that two people have intercourse without taking the proper precautions, I think the "right" to choose is moot, consequences exist for a reason.

Now, I think everyone knows that I am aware of the fact that there should be exceptions, such as rape, danger to the women, ETC, but the Dems want keep the one size fits all Roe V. Wade, which allows for late term abortions.

I know that this happens, because I used to live in Wichita, home of Tiller, now he hasn't been convicted yet, but in Wichita it's widely known that he is pulling some shady, evil and disgusting things.

There are some members of the Dem party that have made it seem like unless you act like Hillary, you're not a woman to be respected.
Thats just an observation, If I see it, so do the NeoCons.

The Obama campaign has been slick in the way that they criticize the war, but neglect to mention that the Dems could have stopped it a long long time ago, by simply refusing to fund it, never mind the Dem leaders running on impeachment and then taking it off the table.

I can't say I entirely agree with number 4, but then again, name me one non Ivy league wealthy guy thats white that the Dems talk about and champion?

Obama is going to raise taxes, now alot of Obama supporters jump to the "only for the rich" but it's not necessarily the rich thats the problem, its the Rich Corporate interests thats the problem. When you over tax the wealthy, guess what, they have the cash to move away from the overwhelming tax. Then who's left holding the bag?
Nevermind the obvious, Obama will do nothing to change monetary policy or foriegn policy. So the spending will continue, so where is the money going to come from for all of his social(ist) programs he talks about instituting.


I am not going to cover the abortion issue in totality right now but women should have the right to choose what happens inside of their bodies until men can get pregnant. Sorry if that does not blow your skirt up but it is what it is.

The Hillary thing is still stupid, people like Hillary or they don't but she is not the quintessential female either so it is a stagnate argument.

The Dems have only been in control in Congress for about a year and they will not stop the support to the troops for obvious reasons. I was very disappointed when I learned that the impeachment would not be persued but since the control in congress was so fleeting before he would be out of office anyway and the control in congress is shakey, it was understandable.

I cannot answer that, that one is for a more knowledgeable person about politicians. I don't know the names of all the Ivy league schools either. I am not an elitest so the "impressive" stuff has no effect on me.

Obama said that the tax increases would be corporate and the tax breaks they are getting for sending our jobs out of country will stop too.


You still cannot get away from the fact that the republicans are for the rich and priviledged and the middle class suffers greatly whenever they are in office.


Okay, First, the Dems have had majority in Congress since 2006, so they've had plenty of time to move on impeachment and stopping the war.
The only ones who have are only the lesser knowns, like Kucinich.
We both know the funding for the war isn't going to the troops, maybe some, but not nearly what its being made out to be, in fact for every dollar that congress controls, 40 cents of it is going to the private contractors.
Thats where the lions share of the repeated war funding is going. Haliburton, Dyncorp, Blackwater and their ilk.

I have made it clear, that although I have my opinions, I couldn't conceive (no pun intended) of being a woman pregnant with a unwanted baby. However, where's the accountability whens it's been made so easy to get rid of a child, almost easier than getting cosmetic surgery. Thats messed up, now I understand that women deserve their rights, but when is it that someone without a political or religious agenda is going to stand up for the unborn?

As far as the Hillary thing goes, I think it's just the way the dems tend to herald her like she's the second coming.

I'm not really as concerned by the white people thing as much as the guy who wrote the op ed.

Its those dang neocons... they've given real conservatives a bad name, I have no way to defend them and I won't try, because they don't deserve it, but aren't the Dems just as beholden to special interests? It seems to me that there were an awful lot of Lobbyist funded, invite only parties during the DNC.

warmachine's photo
Sun 09/14/08 10:04 PM


Please help me out then, if I'm mischaracterizing the Democratics, show me where.

I have no issues in admitting I'm wrong if I actually am.

Lets not forget that I am far from a pro-republican voter.

In fact, I think the Republicans have become very disloyal to themselves and the Constitution, as long as it's acceptable by the NeoCons and the SuperChristies.


As we say in geometric proofs. "it's obvious".

Your comments were so exaggerated, satirical, and inflammatory as to demand no legitimate consideration.


I consider myself to be a logical thinker, I like to go beyond propaganda and rhetoric, the fact that I opened the door for you to at least show me where I was wrong and all you could come up with is "It's obvious" then attacked my positions tells me that you actually couldn't answer the question.

Dragoness, whom I've had numerous postings with, falling on her side when I felt it was right and falling on the other side for the same thing is at least pointing me in the direction she feels will explain the issue to me.
Thanks for that, Ms. Dragoness!

To Winx, I'll concede the point that prochoice doesn't mean proabortion, but there are those who make it seem that way, just as there are those that make the prolife position stand for "If you disagree you're going to hell"

The summary was probably written to fire up the GOP faithful, which means it probably will be taken as a joke to those who don't see any of that with any merit. I however do see some merit in what they have to say and I do seem to play devils advocate alot, which is a good solid part of why I posted the topic.

We've all seen how the NeoCons lovers respond to attacks on their platform, with an execption at least the Dem supporters have the ability to debate without condemnation, disdain and venom.

I'll end this with the 250,000 dollar cap on tax increases, I don't buy it. Too much money will be needed to fund the social(ist) programs that Obama is presenting, the rich have guys who find them ways to get out of paying and can just simply move away if they want, so again I ask, if that happens, then who is going to be left holding the bag...Especially now, in light of the Socialization of our banking system?

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Sun 09/14/08 10:07 PM



Ah, okay, lets see if I can combat this.


If you accept the totality of the Choice side of the issue, then you have to ask yourself when does womens right to choose begin to violate the right of the child growing in her womb. The moment that two people have intercourse without taking the proper precautions, I think the "right" to choose is moot, consequences exist for a reason.

Now, I think everyone knows that I am aware of the fact that there should be exceptions, such as rape, danger to the women, ETC, but the Dems want keep the one size fits all Roe V. Wade, which allows for late term abortions.

I know that this happens, because I used to live in Wichita, home of Tiller, now he hasn't been convicted yet, but in Wichita it's widely known that he is pulling some shady, evil and disgusting things.

There are some members of the Dem party that have made it seem like unless you act like Hillary, you're not a woman to be respected.
Thats just an observation, If I see it, so do the NeoCons.

The Obama campaign has been slick in the way that they criticize the war, but neglect to mention that the Dems could have stopped it a long long time ago, by simply refusing to fund it, never mind the Dem leaders running on impeachment and then taking it off the table.

I can't say I entirely agree with number 4, but then again, name me one non Ivy league wealthy guy thats white that the Dems talk about and champion?

Obama is going to raise taxes, now alot of Obama supporters jump to the "only for the rich" but it's not necessarily the rich thats the problem, its the Rich Corporate interests thats the problem. When you over tax the wealthy, guess what, they have the cash to move away from the overwhelming tax. Then who's left holding the bag?
Nevermind the obvious, Obama will do nothing to change monetary policy or foriegn policy. So the spending will continue, so where is the money going to come from for all of his social(ist) programs he talks about instituting.


I am not going to cover the abortion issue in totality right now but women should have the right to choose what happens inside of their bodies until men can get pregnant. Sorry if that does not blow your skirt up but it is what it is.

The Hillary thing is still stupid, people like Hillary or they don't but she is not the quintessential female either so it is a stagnate argument.

The Dems have only been in control in Congress for about a year and they will not stop the support to the troops for obvious reasons. I was very disappointed when I learned that the impeachment would not be persued but since the control in congress was so fleeting before he would be out of office anyway and the control in congress is shakey, it was understandable.

I cannot answer that, that one is for a more knowledgeable person about politicians. I don't know the names of all the Ivy league schools either. I am not an elitest so the "impressive" stuff has no effect on me.

Obama said that the tax increases would be corporate and the tax breaks they are getting for sending our jobs out of country will stop too.


You still cannot get away from the fact that the republicans are for the rich and priviledged and the middle class suffers greatly whenever they are in office.


Okay, First, the Dems have had majority in Congress since 2006, so they've had plenty of time to move on impeachment and stopping the war.
The only ones who have are only the lesser knowns, like Kucinich.
We both know the funding for the war isn't going to the troops, maybe some, but not nearly what its being made out to be, in fact for every dollar that congress controls, 40 cents of it is going to the private contractors.
Thats where the lions share of the repeated war funding is going. Haliburton, Dyncorp, Blackwater and their ilk.

I have made it clear, that although I have my opinions, I couldn't conceive (no pun intended) of being a woman pregnant with a unwanted baby. However, where's the accountability whens it's been made so easy to get rid of a child, almost easier than getting cosmetic surgery. Thats messed up, now I understand that women deserve their rights, but when is it that someone without a political or religious agenda is going to stand up for the unborn?

As far as the Hillary thing goes, I think it's just the way the dems tend to herald her like she's the second coming.

I'm not really as concerned by the white people thing as much as the guy who wrote the op ed.

Its those dang neocons... they've given real conservatives a bad name, I have no way to defend them and I won't try, because they don't deserve it, but aren't the Dems just as beholden to special interests? It seems to me that there were an awful lot of Lobbyist funded, invite only parties during the DNC.


Dems got voted in in 2006 to take their terms in 2007, a year or so is not very long and the majority they had was a shakey one since one of them was an independent anyway.

Until a man can get pregnant and have a voice on pregnancy, the responsibility lies with the woman on what happens to her body. Men do not get stuck with unwanted children for the most part so they cannot speak about this until they can concieve the child, carry the child in their body and bear the child and be responsible for the child from birth to after adulthood. Child support though helpful is not being responsible for raising a child. Children are a life choice for a woman, it changes her whole life and the weight she bears daily is a heavy one.

I am not an advocate of abortion, I believe it is a serious, solomn decision to be made. I do not encourage any woman who talks to me of an unwanted pregnancy to "run to the abortion clinic" because of the seriousness of the decision. But I do believe if a woman wants to make this choice she should have the right to it.

I will not be concerned with abortion being pulled off the option list until ALL unwanted children in the WORLD are adopted and loved.

Hillary is a good woman, I would have like to have seen her battle McCain but it wasn't meant to be. She is still not the quintessential woman though.

As for the neocons and what they have done to the party, I will agree, only because I have heard the same thing from the conservatives in my circle of family and friends. They have torn this country to it's core and they call themselves conservative republicans, that is all I have to go on.

Dragoness's photo
Sun 09/14/08 10:10 PM
If Obama says that the tax increase would only effect those with an income of 250,000 or more, why can't that be believable?

This country believed all the crap of Bush for the last 7 years. This country swallowed the illegimate reasons for war with Iraq because of 9/11. Etc and so on.

tngxl65's photo
Sun 09/14/08 10:14 PM
Edited by tngxl65 on Sun 09/14/08 10:14 PM



As we say in geometric proofs. "it's obvious".

Your comments were so exaggerated, satirical, and inflammatory as to demand no legitimate consideration.


I consider myself to be a logical thinker, I like to go beyond propaganda and rhetoric, the fact that I opened the door for you to at least show me where I was wrong and all you could come up with is "It's obvious" then attacked my positions tells me that you actually couldn't answer the question.


If you were a logical thinker you would see where your comments didn't deserve argument. For instance, if you were to have said that the Dem platform was pro-choice, then that's arguable. Arguing whether Democrats think everyone should have an abortion is just silly because it's ludicrous. And that is the part that is obvious.

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Sun 09/14/08 10:19 PM
I take it then you agree that the money they've been giving to Bushs war is mostly going to the contractors.

There's a reason why I've got issues with the abortion position. It spawns from eugenics and has cost our nation something close to 50 million babies, thats simply a travesty.

I can't see the difference between an abortion and the girl who didn't want her baby and threw in the trash, except the trash tosser goes to prison, the abortion lady recovers and gets to go on with her life and so does the Eugenicist that performed the procedure.

That being said, you're right, men can't have babies and I think part of the abortion issue is men who don't take care of their kids, those pieces of filth disgust me, but I think that if you're having sex and not taking precautions, then abortion shouldn't be an option, just my opinion. I agree about the adoption thing, thats why I'm not critical of those who adopt many children:Jolie, Madonna... what I'm critical about with them is they're not adopting children in this country, they're creating their own in home UN.

I'm going to go with this: The amount of time the dems have had control of congress is irrelevant, because the big shots of the party refuse to do their job and impeach a President that has definitely violated his oath of office and assuredly many federal and international laws.

Some of these the Dems are complicit too, such as FISA.

I would say, maybe you should ask Cathy O'Brien or Vince Foster what kind of a lady Hillary is.

NeoCons are sadistic and evil... plus they are either very idealistic and naive or intentionally trying to destroy the Republic.

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