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The elderly and disabled are NOT lazy and self gratifying. Not all have families either. I have never heard anybody be so cold before. Good grief. then who are those that make it practical for in home care if it is not friends and families that mow the lawn and buy groceries and fix the light bulb and clean the toilet? the nurses that visit? please..... that is utterly ludicrous. Is that cold enough for you? 
definitely nobama 2008. 
I know people that work in the home health industry. They get paralyzed people out of bed, wash them, feed them, change their urine stained beds for $7.00 an hour. I did Occupational Therapy home health care for a bit. My Aunt is a nurse that does Hospice home health care. You don't have a clue. |
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I've been a home health aide, I can assure you that it's leaps and bounds cheaper, than paying a nursing home that has such high overhead.
Also, the quality of care (as long as the aide is doing their job right) is much better. It's more personal, involves alot more one on one interaction and at the end of the day, allows the disabled party to stay in their home, where they can live the lives they want, as opposed to the structured,cold, sterile atmosphere of a nursing home. |
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I've been a home health aide, I can assure you that it's leaps and bounds cheaper, than paying a nursing home that has such high overhead. Also, the quality of care (as long as the aide is doing their job right) is much better. It's more personal, involves alot more one on one interaction and at the end of the day, allows the disabled party to stay in their home, where they can live the lives they want, as opposed to the structured,cold, sterile atmosphere of a nursing home. 
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That just stinks. Adapt is a good organization. Home health care is so much cheaper than the cost of a nursing home. How could McCain say it's too expensive and not support the bill? Grrrrr. Nobody wants to live in a nursing home, especially younger people. because this is not the role of government. and our taxes need to go to balancing the budget and paying down the debt. but, I got it on sale!!!! yeah, I know..... The government already has a role in it if the resident of the nursing home receives Medicare and/or Medicaid. That is why it doesn't make sense to not support the bill. The monies are already being spent on the care, so why not go the cheaper route with home health care. Hmmm....which way to go...cheaper and better quality of life for the patient or higher spending to keep a person in a nursing home. I do know that more cases than not that it is cheaper. There are companies that pay people about $7 or $8 an hour to be personal attendants in the home health care field. Yes, the attendants are not there 24 hours a day. There is some burden to the family. That is what families do. My parents raised me and I will do what I can to keep them out of a nursing home in the future. besides, it is discriminatory and not universal for all. that little special interest, special rights thingy gets irritating. Next they will be giving it to single parents for in home care of healthy minor children. I'd like that. But then, I'd need soime plan to take up the slack when the shortfall of an empty nest comes my way. how about you?
there is no joke when assuming that government's role is to coddle this nation with entitlements and free stuff for the lazy and self gratification of selfish interests seeking lighter burdens from personal responsibility and accountability for those responsibilities. All have families. All can build their own life. It's just like visiting the homeless and giving them a sandwich and a Bible. They eat the sandwich, save the money that would have bought their dinner and buy an enibriant with their lunch money and use the Bible to start a fire to keep them warm at night. Blame Bush, as you do, but government spending and entitlements, especially those requiring the medical field to provide that assistance only lead to spiralling medical costs. the only ones that will benefit are the medical professionals that plunder the public good and keep themselves saturated with phenomenal wealth and luxury and live better than kings of third world nations while the little people they plubnder are held in a consant state of disrepair because i feeds their long term goals of having a full and lucrative rolodex of willing benefactors. please........ get off that elitist high horse. it is not a joking matter. but the libtard solutions that only prove to make things worse is comical. the joke is on you. you have been sold down the river by self serving interests that are assumptions based in deceitful transference and projections of the bi polar left. nothing changed, huh? i am still calling it a joke, huh? nobama 2008
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"When I heard that they had stormed into the office and occupied it," Frank said, "I went in and told them that was not an acceptable way of doing business and I told them to leave and if they didn’t leave, I would have the police remove them." "I think that it’s undemocratic, these kind of tactics," he added, "and I won’t be influenced by them." "The TV is full of news about the bank crisis, and the mortgage crisis, and the need for candidates to appeal to middle income people," said ADAPT organizer Cassie James. "Meanwhile, people who live on disability benefits, and people who are trapped in nursing homes because of no housing are being held hostage while the government bails everyone else out. Rent has gone up so much, it's higher than many monthly disability benefits. Not only do us younger people with disabilities need affordable, accessible housing, older people need it, too. This is a crisis, and we need help to solve it." your problem is with your libtard buddies like Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, from the looks of the topic at hand. The gripe that this thread has to do with has absolutely nothing to do with your liberal rant and those rants of others that excuse the libtards and seek victims through your cloning of their ill will seeking victims. your hate speech and prejudicial rhetoric is unconvincing. not to worry. we got this. nobama 2008
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I've been a home health aide, I can assure you that it's leaps and bounds cheaper, than paying a nursing home that has such high overhead. Also, the quality of care (as long as the aide is doing their job right) is much better. It's more personal, involves alot more one on one interaction and at the end of the day, allows the disabled party to stay in their home, where they can live the lives they want, as opposed to the structured,cold, sterile atmosphere of a nursing home.
Awwww, for me? 
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That just stinks. Adapt is a good organization. Home health care is so much cheaper than the cost of a nursing home. How could McCain say it's too expensive and not support the bill? Grrrrr. Nobody wants to live in a nursing home, especially younger people. because this is not the role of government. and our taxes need to go to balancing the budget and paying down the debt. but, I got it on sale!!!! yeah, I know..... The government already has a role in it if the resident of the nursing home receives Medicare and/or Medicaid. That is why it doesn't make sense to not support the bill. The monies are already being spent on the care, so why not go the cheaper route with home health care. Hmmm....which way to go...cheaper and better quality of life for the patient or higher spending to keep a person in a nursing home. I do know that more cases than not that it is cheaper. There are companies that pay people about $7 or $8 an hour to be personal attendants in the home health care field. Yes, the attendants are not there 24 hours a day. There is some burden to the family. That is what families do. My parents raised me and I will do what I can to keep them out of a nursing home in the future. besides, it is discriminatory and not universal for all. that little special interest, special rights thingy gets irritating. Next they will be giving it to single parents for in home care of healthy minor children. I'd like that. But then, I'd need soime plan to take up the slack when the shortfall of an empty nest comes my way. how about you?
there is no joke when assuming that government's role is to coddle this nation with entitlements and free stuff for the lazy and self gratification of selfish interests seeking lighter burdens from personal responsibility and accountability for those responsibilities. All have families. All can build their own life. It's just like visiting the homeless and giving them a sandwich and a Bible. They eat the sandwich, save the money that would have bought their dinner and buy an enibriant with their lunch money and use the Bible to start a fire to keep them warm at night. Blame Bush, as you do, but government spending and entitlements, especially those requiring the medical field to provide that assistance only lead to spiralling medical costs. the only ones that will benefit are the medical professionals that plunder the public good and keep themselves saturated with phenomenal wealth and luxury and live better than kings of third world nations while the little people they plubnder are held in a consant state of disrepair because i feeds their long term goals of having a full and lucrative rolodex of willing benefactors. please........ get off that elitist high horse. it is not a joking matter. but the libtard solutions that only prove to make things worse is comical. the joke is on you. you have been sold down the river by self serving interests that are assumptions based in deceitful transference and projections of the bi polar left. nothing changed, huh? i am still calling it a joke, huh? nobama 2008
here 's a quote from the OP.
"When I heard that they had stormed into the office and occupied it," Frank said, "I went in and told them that was not an acceptable way of doing business and I told them to leave and if they didn’t leave, I would have the police remove them." "I think that it’s undemocratic, these kind of tactics," he added, "and I won’t be influenced by them." "The TV is full of news about the bank crisis, and the mortgage crisis, and the need for candidates to appeal to middle income people," said ADAPT organizer Cassie James. "Meanwhile, people who live on disability benefits, and people who are trapped in nursing homes because of no housing are being held hostage while the government bails everyone else out. Rent has gone up so much, it's higher than many monthly disability benefits. Not only do us younger people with disabilities need affordable, accessible housing, older people need it, too. This is a crisis, and we need help to solve it." your problem is with your libtard buddies like Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, from the looks of the topic at hand. The gripe that this thread has to do with has absolutely nothing to do with your liberal rant and those rants of others that excuse the libtards and seek victims through your cloning of their ill will seeking victims. your hate speech and prejudicial rhetoric is unconvincing. not to worry. we got this. nobama 2008
Undemocratic? Mr.Frank needs to read a history book. In the mean time, Mr.Frank gave these people his word and backed out on it, if they have evidence,then they should sue his a$$ for breach of contract. |
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wake up! it's a beautiful day outside. at least in posh, fashionable, upscale, quiant and toney Hollister, Ca.  
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I've been a home health aide, I can assure you that it's leaps and bounds cheaper, than paying a nursing home that has such high overhead. Also, the quality of care (as long as the aide is doing their job right) is much better. It's more personal, involves alot more one on one interaction and at the end of the day, allows the disabled party to stay in their home, where they can live the lives they want, as opposed to the structured,cold, sterile atmosphere of a nursing home.
Awwww, for me?
Yes.  That is a special job - helping people to stay in their homes and have some dignity. It's hard work and takes alot of patience.
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I've been a home health aide, I can assure you that it's leaps and bounds cheaper, than paying a nursing home that has such high overhead. Also, the quality of care (as long as the aide is doing their job right) is much better. It's more personal, involves alot more one on one interaction and at the end of the day, allows the disabled party to stay in their home, where they can live the lives they want, as opposed to the structured,cold, sterile atmosphere of a nursing home.
Awwww, for me?
Yes. That is a special job - helping people to stay in their homes and have some dignity. It's hard work and takes alot of patience.
That last part is the key and I think it takes a specific mindset to do the job, but I always looked at it the same way: This is someones Mom, Brother, Husband, Sister, friend,Etc. Then I just treat them how I would want them to treat my Mom. |
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I've been a home health aide, I can assure you that it's leaps and bounds cheaper, than paying a nursing home that has such high overhead. Also, the quality of care (as long as the aide is doing their job right) is much better. It's more personal, involves alot more one on one interaction and at the end of the day, allows the disabled party to stay in their home, where they can live the lives they want, as opposed to the structured,cold, sterile atmosphere of a nursing home.
Awwww, for me?
Yes. That is a special job - helping people to stay in their homes and have some dignity. It's hard work and takes alot of patience.
That last part is the key and I think it takes a specific mindset to do the job, but I always looked at it the same way: This is someones Mom, Brother, Husband, Sister, friend,Etc. Then I just treat them how I would want them to treat my Mom. Something else to think about --- you really don't know if some day you could possibly be walking in their shoes. We have to treat them like we would want to be treated if we were that situation..
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wake up! it's a beautiful day outside. at least in posh, fashionable, upscale, quiant and toney Hollister, Ca.
Then why are you on the computer? Just causing trouble? |
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I've been a home health aide, I can assure you that it's leaps and bounds cheaper, than paying a nursing home that has such high overhead. Also, the quality of care (as long as the aide is doing their job right) is much better. It's more personal, involves alot more one on one interaction and at the end of the day, allows the disabled party to stay in their home, where they can live the lives they want, as opposed to the structured,cold, sterile atmosphere of a nursing home.
Awwww, for me?
Yes. That is a special job - helping people to stay in their homes and have some dignity. It's hard work and takes alot of patience.
That last part is the key and I think it takes a specific mindset to do the job, but I always looked at it the same way: This is someones Mom, Brother, Husband, Sister, friend,Etc. Then I just treat them how I would want them to treat my Mom. Something else to think about --- you really don't know if some day you could possibly be walking in their shoes. We have to treat them like we would want to be treated if we were that situation..
Are we not judged, as humanity, by how we treat the least of our brethren? |
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I've been a home health aide, I can assure you that it's leaps and bounds cheaper, than paying a nursing home that has such high overhead. Also, the quality of care (as long as the aide is doing their job right) is much better. It's more personal, involves alot more one on one interaction and at the end of the day, allows the disabled party to stay in their home, where they can live the lives they want, as opposed to the structured,cold, sterile atmosphere of a nursing home.
Awwww, for me?
Yes. That is a special job - helping people to stay in their homes and have some dignity. It's hard work and takes alot of patience.
That last part is the key and I think it takes a specific mindset to do the job, but I always looked at it the same way: This is someones Mom, Brother, Husband, Sister, friend,Etc. Then I just treat them how I would want them to treat my Mom. Something else to think about --- you really don't know if some day you could possibly be walking in their shoes. We have to treat them like we would want to be treated if we were that situation..
Are we not judged, as humanity, by how we treat the least of our brethren? Most definitely.
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I've been a home health aide, I can assure you that it's leaps and bounds cheaper, than paying a nursing home that has such high overhead. Also, the quality of care (as long as the aide is doing their job right) is much better. It's more personal, involves alot more one on one interaction and at the end of the day, allows the disabled party to stay in their home, where they can live the lives they want, as opposed to the structured,cold, sterile atmosphere of a nursing home.
Awwww, for me?
Yes. That is a special job - helping people to stay in their homes and have some dignity. It's hard work and takes alot of patience.
That last part is the key and I think it takes a specific mindset to do the job, but I always looked at it the same way: This is someones Mom, Brother, Husband, Sister, friend,Etc. Then I just treat them how I would want them to treat my Mom. Something else to think about --- you really don't know if some day you could possibly be walking in their shoes. We have to treat them like we would want to be treated if we were that situation..
Are we not judged, as humanity, by how we treat the least of our brethren? Most definitely.
How's that for compassionate conservatism? I don't want the government to have more power, so I'll get up off my butt and take care of what I can, so that they'll not have an excuse to expand. Plus, I get to possibly give someone, who might not have had one otherwise, a smile and a good day. |
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wake up! it's a beautiful day outside. at least in posh, fashionable, upscale, quiant and toney Hollister, Ca.
Then why are you on the computer? Just causing trouble? no
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I've been a home health aide, I can assure you that it's leaps and bounds cheaper, than paying a nursing home that has such high overhead. Also, the quality of care (as long as the aide is doing their job right) is much better. It's more personal, involves alot more one on one interaction and at the end of the day, allows the disabled party to stay in their home, where they can live the lives they want, as opposed to the structured,cold, sterile atmosphere of a nursing home.
Awwww, for me?
Yes. That is a special job - helping people to stay in their homes and have some dignity. It's hard work and takes alot of patience.
That last part is the key and I think it takes a specific mindset to do the job, but I always looked at it the same way: This is someones Mom, Brother, Husband, Sister, friend,Etc. Then I just treat them how I would want them to treat my Mom. Something else to think about --- you really don't know if some day you could possibly be walking in their shoes. We have to treat them like we would want to be treated if we were that situation..
Are we not judged, as humanity, by how we treat the least of our brethren? so true. we should all prepare for such days, huh? why do so many not prioritize their needs accordingly? we can all take care of our own. The will exists. The opportunity to do so is available. long term solutions require long term planning. Needs before wants are always in ones personal control. investing in oneself and our loved ones is never unrewarded. modern life has its challenges. God and governments are not the repository for excusing personal endeavor. Obviously you believe that government has been neglectful of duty, as do all. That speaks for itself, doesn't it? 
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I've been a home health aide, I can assure you that it's leaps and bounds cheaper, than paying a nursing home that has such high overhead. Also, the quality of care (as long as the aide is doing their job right) is much better. It's more personal, involves alot more one on one interaction and at the end of the day, allows the disabled party to stay in their home, where they can live the lives they want, as opposed to the structured,cold, sterile atmosphere of a nursing home.
Awwww, for me?
Yes. That is a special job - helping people to stay in their homes and have some dignity. It's hard work and takes alot of patience.
That last part is the key and I think it takes a specific mindset to do the job, but I always looked at it the same way: This is someones Mom, Brother, Husband, Sister, friend,Etc. Then I just treat them how I would want them to treat my Mom. Something else to think about --- you really don't know if some day you could possibly be walking in their shoes. We have to treat them like we would want to be treated if we were that situation..
Are we not judged, as humanity, by how we treat the least of our brethren? so true. we should all prepare for such days, huh? why do so many not prioritize their needs accordingly? we can all take care of our own. The will exists. The opportunity to do so is available. long term solutions require long term planning. Needs before wants are always in ones personal control. investing in oneself and our loved ones is never unrewarded. modern life has its challenges. God and governments are not the repository for excusing personal endeavor. Obviously you believe that government has been neglectful of duty, as do all. That speaks for itself, doesn't it?
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well, remove the economy of scale from the present situation and there is an insufficient economy of scale to take care of those already in those same homes.
Yes, beds will be freed and some costs will be no longer associated with those unoccupied beds, but how does that improve the situation for those that are completely and utterly and helplessly dependent on those presently providing care under existing programs? Any of those that could leave the present system to enjoy the "voucher system" of federal aid, also have a support structure that makes that "voucher system" licentiously elite and purposefully only available to those with the means to employ advantage for selfish gain on the backs of taxpayers like me and you. That serves only special interests. How is it that only a select few can expect government assistance to free up financial resources going elsewhere now for use elsewhere without oversight and under the personal control of those that would only have access to thaty largesse due to a government subsidy like you and tohers are suggesting? If it is only about those that are already utilizing the government programs for the care of loved ones, then why is it that government has become the excuse for priorities being viewed as an unfair cost and burden to families with dependent and needy elders? The whole discourse is utterly disrespectful to our elderly from that point of view. I am single parent with hardships and still thrive sufficiently to make a good home for my children. Why must I assume that my children will not be there for me? They will. Just like your parents can expect you to be there for them. I am not paying you $5000/month to do what is your duty to do for your parents sake. You are not going to pay me $5000/month to care for my parents either. know what I mean? who do you think pays these taxes for all of these government programs? oh yeah....... the government that borrows and borrows and lives beyond its means and is leaving this public indebtedness to your kids and mine. That is just stupid. There is no free lunch program. suck it up.
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That just stinks. Adapt is a good organization. Home health care is so much cheaper than the cost of a nursing home. How could McCain say it's too expensive and not support the bill? Grrrrr. Nobody wants to live in a nursing home, especially younger people. because this is not the role of government. and our taxes need to go to balancing the budget and paying down the debt. but, I got it on sale!!!! yeah, I know..... The government already has a role in it if the resident of the nursing home receives Medicare and/or Medicaid. That is why it doesn't make sense to not support the bill. The monies are already being spent on the care, so why not go the cheaper route with home health care. Hmmm....which way to go...cheaper and better quality of life for the patient or higher spending to keep a person in a nursing home. I do know that more cases than not that it is cheaper. There are companies that pay people about $7 or $8 an hour to be personal attendants in the home health care field. Yes, the attendants are not there 24 hours a day. There is some burden to the family. That is what families do. My parents raised me and I will do what I can to keep them out of a nursing home in the future. besides, it is discriminatory and not universal for all. that little special interest, special rights thingy gets irritating. Next they will be giving it to single parents for in home care of healthy minor children. I'd like that. But then, I'd need soime plan to take up the slack when the shortfall of an empty nest comes my way. how about you?
there is no joke when assuming that government's role is to coddle this nation with entitlements and free stuff for the lazy and self gratification of selfish interests seeking lighter burdens from personal responsibility and accountability for those responsibilities. All have families. All can build their own life. It's just like visiting the homeless and giving them a sandwich and a Bible. They eat the sandwich, save the money that would have bought their dinner and buy an enibriant with their lunch money and use the Bible to start a fire to keep them warm at night. Blame Bush, as you do, but government spending and entitlements, especially those requiring the medical field to provide that assistance only lead to spiralling medical costs. the only ones that will benefit are the medical professionals that plunder the public good and keep themselves saturated with phenomenal wealth and luxury and live better than kings of third world nations while the little people they plubnder are held in a consant state of disrepair because i feeds their long term goals of having a full and lucrative rolodex of willing benefactors. please........ get off that elitist high horse. it is not a joking matter. but the libtard solutions that only prove to make things worse is comical. the joke is on you. you have been sold down the river by self serving interests that are assumptions based in deceitful transference and projections of the bi polar left. nothing changed, huh? i am still calling it a joke, huh? nobama 2008
here 's a quote from the OP.
"When I heard that they had stormed into the office and occupied it," Frank said, "I went in and told them that was not an acceptable way of doing business and I told them to leave and if they didn’t leave, I would have the police remove them." "I think that it’s undemocratic, these kind of tactics," he added, "and I won’t be influenced by them." "The TV is full of news about the bank crisis, and the mortgage crisis, and the need for candidates to appeal to middle income people," said ADAPT organizer Cassie James. "Meanwhile, people who live on disability benefits, and people who are trapped in nursing homes because of no housing are being held hostage while the government bails everyone else out. Rent has gone up so much, it's higher than many monthly disability benefits. Not only do us younger people with disabilities need affordable, accessible housing, older people need it, too. This is a crisis, and we need help to solve it." your problem is with your libtard buddies like Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, from the looks of the topic at hand. The gripe that this thread has to do with has absolutely nothing to do with your liberal rant and those rants of others that excuse the libtards and seek victims through your cloning of their ill will seeking victims. your hate speech and prejudicial rhetoric is unconvincing. not to worry. we got this. nobama 2008
Undemocratic? Mr.Frank needs to read a history book. In the mean time, Mr.Frank gave these people his word and backed out on it, if they have evidence,then they should sue his a$$ for breach of contract. |
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