Topic: Debate #1
Winx's photo
Sat 09/27/08 09:58 AM

I dunno, maybe we do


Why?

I would rather have somebody that thinks before he acts and looks at the options.

no photo
Sat 09/27/08 09:59 AM
maybe we are in such a self-centered rut that we need some one to poke us with a stick and rattle the cage?

no photo
Sat 09/27/08 10:02 AM
actually I would love to see any of these politicians get rattled and speak from the heart with some emotion than just continually reciting talking points and skillfully staying on message

cottonelle's photo
Sat 09/27/08 10:02 AM

maybe we are in such a self-centered rut that we need some one to poke us with a stick and rattle the cage?

can i, can i, please?

lighthouselover's photo
Sat 09/27/08 10:13 AM
Edited by lighthouselover on Sat 09/27/08 10:14 AM
I want to hear about HOW a President is going to pull our country out of this mess....

Last night, I heard all about the last eight years...yes, I know a person has to know where things started...we have heard a variety of story lines about all of what "what was" and how "what became" and "who did what"... fine..

Now, I would like to hear the plan! When anything like a change takes place, there are certain fundamentals that need to take place...

1. a through assessment of where we are, with basic knowledge of the policies and procedures that got us there

2. a picture of what we are setting out to achieve...the goal.

3. a plan to build the fricken bridge to get over the spot and get to the other side/goal.

4. WHO is going to be important in implementing the plan..tell us who you are thinking about for your adviser's, you cabinet...is this a secret? These are the very people who will be carrying out the said plan...THAT is an important aspect of any plan...without people, and without the right people..the plan is just words..

5. Time line of assessment points...IF the current plan is not working or IF something needs to be changed...then do it within the process...kind of a dynamic, on-going, breathing, plan...

That is a very rough description, however...process improvement needs a PROCESS!!

I did hear Mr. Obama talk about what things are vital to get changed...the basics/infrastructure to maintain the over all plan...I did like that. Mr. Obama seems less arrogant to me at this point...that could change.

I would like to see/hear/read some sort of process improvement plan moving forward from each candidate..and WHO they are going to utilize to move that plan forward...

Then, I feel like maybe I could make a half informed decision.

I do not put my trust in any ONE leader/manager/executive...no one person knows everything about everything...WHO surrounds these people...

just a couple of thoughts...

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Sat 09/27/08 10:48 AM



Obama wins... America remains the same with a bit more liberal adgenda.

McCain wins... America remains the same with a bit more conservative agenda.

America remains the same WE lose.

We don't need more of the same. We need true change and that will not come from the current crop of politicians.

None of them have the courage to stand tall against the rest of them.

None of them have the courage to stand tall for US.


So what do you suggest? We have 2 choices. And as far as no one standing up...what about Ron Paul? I honestly think he should get back into the race.

no photo
Sat 09/27/08 10:58 AM
prolly

unfortunately he doesnt have a chance of winning but he can help steer the debate more towards issues rather than the usual neocon/liberal tit for tat crap

Quikstepper's photo
Sat 09/27/08 11:01 AM


I don't "hate" anyone. I believe McCain is the better of the two & OBAMA being too green for the office.

you mean black dont ya? lol



No...I meant green. I don't find your comments to be funny...stop putting words in someone else's mouth.

Lynann's photo
Sat 09/27/08 11:14 AM
haha Again...the irony is rich here.

s1owhand's photo
Sat 09/27/08 11:27 AM
Edited by s1owhand on Sat 09/27/08 11:28 AM


I dunno, maybe we do


Why?

I would rather have somebody that thinks before he acts and looks at the options.


i believe that it is both important to be thoughtful
and decisive. being late to act has costs as well.
McCain is in a much better position to process and
act than Obama. This is apparent when he can
assess and comment on the Georgian invasion several
days before Obama, when Obama has to "come around" to
imposing pre-conditions on Iran, and when McCain can
have the foresight to see a spending freeze as a
possible approach when Obama cannot.

Obama is an intelligent man but lacking in experience.
Woefully lacking. A sadly inadequate candidate...

whoa frustrated

Winx's photo
Sat 09/27/08 11:28 AM



I dunno, maybe we do


Why?

I would rather have somebody that thinks before he acts and looks at the options.


i believe that it is both important to be thoughtful
and decisive. being late to act has costs as well.
McCain is in a much better position to process and
act than Obama. This is apparent when he can make
assess and comment on the Georgian invasion several
days before Obama, when Obama has to come around to
imposing pre-conditions on Iran, and when McCain can
have the foresight to see a spending freeze as a
possible approach when Obama cannot.

Obama is an intelligent man but lacking in experience.
Woefully lacking. A sadly inadequate candidate...

whoa frustrated


I respectfully disagree.

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Sat 09/27/08 11:30 AM
he has enough experience
plus he isn't in this alone

Winx's photo
Sat 09/27/08 12:02 PM
I knew that Obama was good for our economics. After last night, I thought that he looked like President material with foreign policies.

TravelArranger's photo
Sat 09/27/08 12:04 PM
Did anyone else notice that Obama was stuttering last night!

Winx's photo
Sat 09/27/08 12:05 PM

Did anyone else notice that Obama was stuttering last night!


You mean when he was gathering his thoughts?

MirrorMirror's photo
Sat 09/27/08 12:05 PM
:smile: Neither Obama nor McCain like to "attack" their opponents.:smile: Ive noticed this about both of them over the years.:smile: They both prefer to be "nice guys". :smile: This has caused McCain to lose elections in the past and will probably lead to Obamas defeat one day as well.:smile:

TravelArranger's photo
Sat 09/27/08 12:06 PM
That made me think he was very nervous and maybe not sure of himself

no photo
Sat 09/27/08 12:08 PM
I noticed Obama said "John is right" a LOT

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Sat 09/27/08 12:12 PM

That made me think he was very nervous and maybe not sure of himself


I don't think he came across as nervous or unsure of himself.

Winx's photo
Sat 09/27/08 12:13 PM

That made me think he was very nervous and maybe not sure of himself


I thought kept his cool quite well. I was impressed. McCain was smirking (creepy)and looking flustered.