Topic: JUDGE ORDERS OBAMA TO PRODUCE BIRTH CERTIFICATE
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Sun 10/05/08 06:17 AM
Snakes can't talk? ohwell Damn, then I think I need committing laugh

wouldee's photo
Sun 10/05/08 07:49 AM
I see that this thing is not past Obama's motion to dismiss.

McCain's website pulled the blogging off that was rambling about this lawsuit.

Judging from the things acted on, it may still dismiss, even though the plaintiff's motion of order is in the record to grant release of docs.

All SOPs are being papered normally, as far as I can tell.

the LA Times site has an image of the cert that was filed with the DNC, and it appears legit.

More legit than the docs I have seen in the past on another site, which I cannot find this time around.

I did see a site a few weeks ago that were claiming the docs were forged and possibly not official, but that evidence was sketchy at best.

Truth is, no original is ever released ot the public, only certified copies of the original.

That is normal sop too.

also, there is a reproduced image of a the birth announcement from a paper in Hawaii for the date of Obama's birth.

I suspect that if the udit trail were illegitimate, someone would have gone to hawaii already and snooped around some more.

And although birth records are a matter of public record, handing them out willy nilly is not happening.

That's a good thing, isn't it?

Identity theft is a major problem.

It may still be that a judge will have to intervene after all, in the end, to satisfy the complaint before the courts.

I see no harm in that.

I also see potential for a malicious prosecution cross complaint from Obama vs the plaintiff as inevitable if Obama is innocent in this.

I have not seen that yet. Usually an indemnification from malicious prosecution is sought by the plaintiff from the defendant if the petition is to be dropped and that usually happens outside of the action between the parties.

So far, the plaintiff himself seems to have acknowledged that the judge hadn't yet acted on his motion before the court, or on Obama's motion to dismiss.

It is curious though, that this lawsuit is still floating in the courts open and actionable.


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Sun 10/05/08 11:23 AM

Typical. I can understand why you want to stay away from Palin's Pastor Voodoo. He's just another kook who believes in talking snakes. Everyone knows that aside from parseltongue, snakes can't talk. :wink:
laugh Yeahlaugh Sarah Palins pastor said witches were causing traffic jams in his town and branded a woman a witch and chased her out of town.laugh

MirrorMirror's photo
Sun 10/05/08 11:32 AM

Wrong again...Witches support the DNC.... laugh

COUNTER....CULTURE....
:smile: Theres no such thing as witches. :smile: Just people who say they are witches but cant do any magic.:smile:

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Sun 10/05/08 11:54 AM
Edited by Winx on Sun 10/05/08 12:47 PM


Typical. I can understand why you want to stay away from Palin's Pastor Voodoo. He's just another kook who believes in talking snakes. Everyone knows that aside from parseltongue, snakes can't talk. :wink:
laugh Yeahlaugh Sarah Palins pastor said witches were causing traffic jams in his town and branded a woman a witch and chased her out of town.laugh


Salem witch trials all over again.laugh



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Sun 10/05/08 12:01 PM



Typical. I can understand why you want to stay away from Palin's Pastor Voodoo. He's just another kook who believes in talking snakes. Everyone knows that aside from parseltongue, snakes can't talk. :wink:
laugh Yeahlaugh Sarah Palins pastor said witches were causing traffic jams in his town and branded a woman a witch and chased her out of town.laugh


Saleem witch trials all over again.laugh
:banana: And not only that, Sarah Palins witch doctor/preacher is from a place that Wouldee loves to talk about........Kenyalaugh

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Sun 10/05/08 12:02 PM
Saleem (playwright)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Saleem is a Palestinian - American playwright, actor and dancer based in Los Angeles, California, United States. He was the recipient of a 1996 GLAAD Harvey Fierstein Award for Best Original Writing for his semi-autobiographical play Salam Shalom: A Tale Of Passion.

As a dancer, Saleem developed his own style which incorporates belly dancing, gypsy movements, flamenco and jazz to produce what he calls "free style belly dancing".


[edit] External links
Palestinian-Born Playwright Offers Insight and Hope for the Peace in the Middle East (September 9, 2003) - Article on Saleem by Michael Austin.


slaphead

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Sun 10/05/08 12:04 PM
Edited by Winx on Sun 10/05/08 12:47 PM

Saleem (playwright)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
Saleem is a Palestinian - American playwright, actor and dancer based in Los Angeles, California, United States. He was the recipient of a 1996 GLAAD Harvey Fierstein Award for Best Original Writing for his semi-autobiographical play Salam Shalom: A Tale Of Passion.

As a dancer, Saleem developed his own style which incorporates belly dancing, gypsy movements, flamenco and jazz to produce what he calls "free style belly dancing".


[edit] External links
Palestinian-Born Playwright Offers Insight and Hope for the Peace in the Middle East (September 9, 2003) - Article on Saleem by Michael Austin.


slaphead



offtopic laugh

Does not pertain to the Salem witch trials.



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Sun 10/05/08 12:08 PM


Saleem (playwright)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
Saleem is a Palestinian - American playwright, actor and dancer based in Los Angeles, California, United States. He was the recipient of a 1996 GLAAD Harvey Fierstein Award for Best Original Writing for his semi-autobiographical play Salam Shalom: A Tale Of Passion.

As a dancer, Saleem developed his own style which incorporates belly dancing, gypsy movements, flamenco and jazz to produce what he calls "free style belly dancing".


[edit] External links
Palestinian-Born Playwright Offers Insight and Hope for the Peace in the Middle East (September 9, 2003) - Article on Saleem by Michael Austin.


slaphead



offtopic laugh

Does not pertain to the Saleem witch trials.



offtopic what oops

this about obama and his kenyan citizenship.

witch doctor witnessed his birth?


rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

Winx's photo
Sun 10/05/08 12:42 PM
Edited by Winx on Sun 10/05/08 12:43 PM



Saleem (playwright)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
Saleem is a Palestinian - American playwright, actor and dancer based in Los Angeles, California, United States. He was the recipient of a 1996 GLAAD Harvey Fierstein Award for Best Original Writing for his semi-autobiographical play Salam Shalom: A Tale Of Passion.

As a dancer, Saleem developed his own style which incorporates belly dancing, gypsy movements, flamenco and jazz to produce what he calls "free style belly dancing".


[edit] External links
Palestinian-Born Playwright Offers Insight and Hope for the Peace in the Middle East (September 9, 2003) - Article on Saleem by Michael Austin.


slaphead



offtopic laugh

Does not pertain to the Saleem witch trials.



offtopic what oops

this about obama and his kenyan citizenship.

witch doctor witnessed his birth?


rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl


Oops, you made a typo... which doctor witnessed his birth? :tongue:



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Sun 10/05/08 12:43 PM



Saleem (playwright)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
Saleem is a Palestinian - American playwright, actor and dancer based in Los Angeles, California, United States. He was the recipient of a 1996 GLAAD Harvey Fierstein Award for Best Original Writing for his semi-autobiographical play Salam Shalom: A Tale Of Passion.

As a dancer, Saleem developed his own style which incorporates belly dancing, gypsy movements, flamenco and jazz to produce what he calls "free style belly dancing".


[edit] External links
Palestinian-Born Playwright Offers Insight and Hope for the Peace in the Middle East (September 9, 2003) - Article on Saleem by Michael Austin.


slaphead



offtopic laugh

Does not pertain to the Saleem witch trials.



offtopic what oops

this about obama and his kenyan citizenship.

witch doctor witnessed his birth?


rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
huh Why do you hate Kenyans?huh And Obama is American not Kenyanlaugh

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Sun 10/05/08 12:44 PM



Typical. I can understand why you want to stay away from Palin's Pastor Voodoo. He's just another kook who believes in talking snakes. Everyone knows that aside from parseltongue, snakes can't talk. :wink:
laugh Yeahlaugh Sarah Palins pastor said witches were causing traffic jams in his town and branded a woman a witch and chased her out of town.laugh


Saleem witch trials all over again.laugh
bigsmile I think its spelled Salem, Winx flowerforyou

Winx's photo
Sun 10/05/08 12:47 PM
Edited by Winx on Sun 10/05/08 12:48 PM




Typical. I can understand why you want to stay away from Palin's Pastor Voodoo. He's just another kook who believes in talking snakes. Everyone knows that aside from parseltongue, snakes can't talk. :wink:
laugh Yeahlaugh Sarah Palins pastor said witches were causing traffic jams in his town and branded a woman a witch and chased her out of town.laugh


Salem witch trials all over again.laugh
bigsmile I think its spelled Salem, Winx flowerforyou


Thank you, Mirror.flowerforyou



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Sun 10/05/08 12:54 PM
You all do realize anyone can file a lawsuit right?

If you can pay the filing fees you can file suit against nearly anyone for almost anything.

In jurisdictions that are busy it may take awhile for a judge to look at it before deciding to hear it or tossing it because it lacks merit or because the person filing lacks standing or for a variety of other reasons.

Someone filing a suit means jack ****. Except maybe that they have time and money to spend doing it.

Winx's photo
Sun 10/05/08 12:55 PM
Maybe the judge will charge that person with filing a frivolous lawsuit.

MirrorMirror's photo
Sun 10/05/08 01:06 PM
huh Why won't Sarah Palin produce the birth certificate of her youngest child?huh

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Sun 10/05/08 01:07 PM


http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/pennsylvania/paedce/2:2008cv04083/281573/13/



read the unsigned and undated order for yourself.

This is official.

But the signed order is not evidenced here, only the order as written.

Will it be served?




read the case.


I can whip you up an unsigned, undated order in 3 minutes.
That's exactly what it is - an unsigned, undated order prepared by the Plaintiff accompanying his opposition to the Defendant's motion to dismiss. It has NOT been signed by a judge.

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Fri 12/19/08 01:49 PM

JUDGE ORDERS OBAMA TO PRODUCE BIRTH CERTIFICATE

can this be true?

http://www.alipac.us/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=134286




JUDGE ORDERS OBAMA TO PRODUCE BIRTH CERTIFICATE

By Jon Christian Dryer

October 3, 2008

NewsWithViews.com

On September 29, 2008 US District Court Judge R. Barclay Surrick, the federal magistrate for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania ruled in the matter of Philip J. Berg vs Barack Hussein Obama, et al as the world was distracted by the $700 billion subprime mortgage crisis. Obama signed a breathe of relief as the mainstream media chose to ignore the question: "Can Senator Barack Hussein Obama legally seek the office of President of the United States?"

The flap began in June when National Review's Jim Geraghty raised the question and asked the Obama Campaign to release a copy of his birth certificate in order to prove that he actually was born in the United States. (Reports had previously surfaced claiming that Obama's Kenyan grandmother, Sarah Hussein Obama, told reporters that Obama was not born in Hawaii, but in Kenya. She reportedly told reporters that when her son, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. returned to Kenya he was accompanied by a pregnant white wife who was close to term.)

Obama's family did not take to Stanley Ann Dunham Obama well according to Sarah Obama because she was white. Shortly after she arrived in Kenya Stanley Ann decided to return to Hawaii because she did not like how Muslim men treated their wives in Kenya. However, because she was near term the airline would not let her fly until after the birth of her baby. Obama's grandmother said the baby was born in Kenya and that shortly after Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. was born, Stanley Ann returned to Hawaii.

Purportedly, when she arrived back in Hawaii, Stanley Anne registered her son's live birth as an event which had just happened—in Hawaii. This supposition is based on the appearance, shortly after Nov. 6, 2007, of a Hawaiian birth certificate that was issued, as a duplicate birth certificate, by the State of Hawaii to a US Senator who requested it.

While the Internet screamed that the birth certificate, which appeared on the Obama Campaign's "Fight The Smears" website and was also downloaded and used by far left blogger Markos Zuniga on his website, Daily Kos, it was not an electronic image concocted by Daily KOs as was hypothesized by a self-described cyvbersleuth who uses the cyber pseudonym Techdude. It was the real McCoy—even if it was issued as a political favor to a prospective Democratic presidential candidate by a Democrat official in Hawaii. The county clerk who issued the document, which purports to be a copy of an original document, was date stamped "Nov. 6, 2007" on the reverse side of the birth certificate in blue ink which bled through and is visible on the front of the electronic image.

Attorney Philip J. Berg, the former head of the Montgomery County. Pennsylvania Democratic Party and a former member of the Democratic State Convention and, reportedly a Hillary Clinton supporter, wanted to learn the truth from the myriad of rumors that also suggested that Sen. Obama may also have been a citizen of Indonesia. The only consistent part of the story was Stanley Ann returning to Hawaii to claim he had been in the United States and was a US citizen. In his ruling, Judge Surrick noted that the "...cause came before the United States District Court Judge, Honorable R. Barclay Surrick on defendant Barack Hussein Obama and the Democratic National Committee's motion to dismiss." The order continued, "Having reviewed the motion and plaintiff's opposition to said motion and for good cause shown, it is hereby ordered that the motion to dismiss pursuant to F.R.C.P. 12(b)(1) and 12(b)(6) is denied. It is further order of this court that the following discovery is to be turned over to plaintiff within three (3) days.

1. Obama's "vault" version (certified copy of his "original" long version) birth certificate; and
2. a certified copy of Obama's Certificate of Citizenship;
3. a certified copy of Obama's oath of allegiance."

In his original filing, Berg specifically asked for those three items. Berg told the court that "...at the time Plaintiff's complaint was filed, Plaintiff was requesting protections from the court in order to stop Obama from being nominated by the DNC as the Democratic Presidential Nominee as Obama is not eligible to serve as President of the United States. However, Obama was nominated by the DNC...For that reason, Plaintiff must amend his complaint and will be amending this complaint to file a First Amendment complaint...."

Berg argued that he felt it was the role of the Federal Election Commission to ensure that presidential and congressional candidates are eligible to hold the positions for which they were seeking, and that those candidates run a fair and legitimate campaign. "In vetting the presidential candidate," Berg argued, "the DNC and the FEC are required to ensure the eligibility requirements pursuant to our Constitution are met and the Presidential nominee, if elected, is qualified and eligible to serve pursuant to our United States Constitution. In order to be eligible to run for the Office of President of the United States, you must be a "natural born" citizen.

"There appears to be no question that Defendant Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was a US citizen. It is also undisputed, however, that his father, Barack Obama, Sr., was a citizen of Kenya. Obama's parents, according to divorce recorded, were married on or about February 2, 1961.

"Defendant Obama claims he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii. on August 4, 1961 and it is uncertain in which hospital he claims to have been born. Obama's grandmother on his father's side, his half-brother and half-sister all claim Obama was born not in Hawaii but in Kenya. reports reflect that Obama's mother traveled to Kenya during her pregnancy; however, she was prevented from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii. at her late stage of pregnancy (which apparently are normal restrictions, to avoid births during flights). By these reports, Stanley Ann Dunham Obama gave birth to Obama in Kenya, after which she flew home and registered Obama's birth. There are records of a "registry of birth" for Obama, on or about August 8, 1961 in the public records office in Hawaii."

Berg's investigators revealed that Obama's own half-sister Maya Soetoro—with whom he was raised—seemed not to know where her own brother was born. In the Nov., 2004 interview by the Rainbow Newsletter Maya Soetoro said Obama was born on Aug. 4, 1961 at Queens Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii. In February, 2008 Maya was interviewed by the Star Bulletin. This time she told reporters that Obama was born on August 4, 1961 at the Kaliolani Medical Center for Women and Children. On June 9, 2008 Wayne Madsen, a journalist with Online Journal published an article in which he said a research team went to Mombassa, Kenya and located a Certificate registering the live birth of Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. to his father, a Kenyan citizen and his mother, a US citizen.

Berg's argument to the court was that under the US Nationality Act of 1940, Section 317 (b), a minor child follows the naturalization and citizenship status of his or her custodial parent. In Obama's case, Berg argued, a minor child follows the naturalization and citizenship status of his or her custodial father. Obama's Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetora signed a statement acknowledging Obama as his son, giving Obama natural Indonesian citizenship, which explains the name "Barry Soetoro" and his citizenship listed as Indonesian. Loss of US citizenship, under US law in effect in 1967 required that foreign citizenship be achieved through "application." Which, according to Berg, is precisely what happened to Obama when his mother married Soetoro and the family moved to Indonesia.

When Obama and his mother moved to Indonesia, Obama had already been enrolled in school—something that could not have happened under Indonesian law if Soetoro had not signed an acknowledgment (the application) affirming that Obama was his son, it deemed his son to an Indonesian State citizen. (Citizenship of Republic of Indonesia, Law No. 9 of 1992 dated 31 mar. 1992, Indonesia Civil Code): "...State children of Indonesia include: (viii) children who are born outside of legal marriage from foreign State citizen mother who are acknowledged by father who is Indonesian State citizen as his children and that acknowledgment is made prior to children reaching 18 years of age or prior to marriage; Republic of Indonesia Constitution, 1945." Furthermore, under Indonesian law, if a resident Indonesian citizen married a foreigner—in this case, Lolo Soetoro marrying Stanley Ann Obama—she was required to renounce her US citizenship.

In his lawsuit, Berg demanded a copy of Obama's Certificate of Citizenship, a document Obama must have applied for to regain his citizenship—which was lost in Indonesia. He will have that document only if the proper paperwork was filed with the US State Department when Obama returned to Hawaii in 1971 since that is the only way Obama could regain his US "natural born" status. Berg is convinced that Obama was never naturalized in the United States after his return. Obama returned to his maternal grandparents in Hawaii without his mother. Since she is the only one who could have filed for the reinstatement of his citizenship, it is unlikely it ever happened. If it did, his Certificate of Citizenship would affirm his right to seek the office of President. Without it, Barack Obama is just another resident alien who can't legally hold his seat in the US Senate.






Honestly, this is NOT just on The Internet...


George Herbert Walker Bush was Natural Born in Austria, adopted by A bush that was convicted of Trading with The Enemy in WW2 and GHWB was head of The CIA, of which we all know was created out of the old OSS and staffed with hundreds of NAZI WAR Criminals...

So we have The BUSH Dynasty, The Bush Presedentcy, The BUSH Doctrine, Bush Jr. and Direct from Kenya Barrak Husane Obamma
The Next President of THE WORLD/ USA... noway


As for The Birth issue, IT IS NOT AN ISSUE!!!


The bushco boy's have already swept that under the RUG...

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Fri 12/19/08 01:53 PM
LOL, I guess the prejudice folks just can't let this die huh?

Of course I am speaking of those filing the frivolous law suits that waste our good tax dollars for garbage suits.

MirrorMirror's photo
Fri 12/19/08 03:22 PM

LOL, I guess the prejudice folks just can't let this die huh?

Of course I am speaking of those filing the frivolous law suits that waste our good tax dollars for garbage suits.
laugh Im starting to find it entertaining:tongue: