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Topic: Presidential Debate 3
AdventureBegins's photo
Thu 10/16/08 07:53 AM

Im an independent and I get it too. McCain isnt going to raise taxes he just want to tax other things..Same thing no!! To tax health care, something that is already unaffordable to so many is the wrong way to go..So I guess you have been lied to also. To say health care costs $5800 yearly, maybe 15 yrs ago he could say that. Alot of people have to pay more than that a year to be covered by their employer ins. Alot of employees have to pay out of pocket to be on the employer health care..In 1996 my percentage was $345 month for my family(Me and my daughter) to be covered..So his plan will cost people their coverage and not help anyone obtain it...Show me where it does!!!!!


wow you got the point!

Never in our history have two men been so far of the mark with totally different approaches.

Neither one gets the truth...
Both of them are willing to LIE to get the power.

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Thu 10/16/08 07:56 AM
I thought the debate was a good one and you could see what type of leader each would be.

It was not so much what Obama said, it was what he didn't say that impressed me.

When McCain launched his Ayers attack about how Obama is "palling around with terrorists", Obama responded and explained.

Obama could have launched his Keating 5 attack but held back and didn't get into the mud with McCain.

To me, this showed courage, that he is above the petty attacks that are waged on his character.

no photo
Thu 10/16/08 08:01 AM
you both are absolutely right (the 2 that posted just before me)

neither candidate is good for the job
so lets see which one is BETTER
i'm afraid mccain is too hot headed (so to speak) in that during tough times will he go off at the cuff and do soemthing crazy?
obama was calm, cool and collected. precisely what this country needs in times like this especially.


Winx's photo
Thu 10/16/08 08:28 AM

morning, I actually stayed awake and even watched the post shows and polls. Here is my take -

Obama - eloquent, spoken like a true leader
McCain - came out with an agenda to discredit Obama (my opinion didnt work) actually looked rather foolish mocking cameras (jmo)

Obama - handled all the questions professionally, answered and responded to the barrage of hatred spewed by McCains responses.
McCain - Body language too easy of a read, contempt, dislike, and sad to say mocking thereby taking away from the importance of debate. Stayed clear of answering certain question like what to cut, vague answers no real objective. jmo

McCain - kept bringing up Ayers, Acorn, which I think Obama has satisfied before, yet he kept plugging never providing anything new

Obama - a little too gentlemanly at times (did not lower standards to take advantage and belittle other candidates (Palin) yet allowed McCain to sneak in little snubs. Would have liked a little more aggression.

Both candidates should be melded and should run as one, both have some good ideas, both have some ridiculous ideas, and some have tomorrow as their vision.

These attacks, debates take away from both candidates more than they supply the viewing public with information we want. The childish ranting of speaking negatively is a waste of time. jmo


Well said.flowerforyou

Winx's photo
Thu 10/16/08 08:30 AM

I thought the debate was a good one and you could see what type of leader each would be.

It was not so much what Obama said, it was what he didn't say that impressed me.

When McCain launched his Ayers attack about how Obama is "palling around with terrorists", Obama responded and explained.

Obama could have launched his Keating 5 attack but held back and didn't get into the mud with McCain.

To me, this showed courage, that he is above the petty attacks that are waged on his character.


It's called class.:wink:

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Thu 10/16/08 08:38 AM


I thought the debate was a good one and you could see what type of leader each would be.

It was not so much what Obama said, it was what he didn't say that impressed me.

When McCain launched his Ayers attack about how Obama is "palling around with terrorists", Obama responded and explained.

Obama could have launched his Keating 5 attack but held back and didn't get into the mud with McCain.

To me, this showed courage, that he is above the petty attacks that are waged on his character.


It's called class.:wink:


McCain was cleared in any wrong-doing on that k/5
report. Obama didn't want to get any more 'egg on his face' bringing it up. And M SHOULD have brought up Rev. Wright (and some other pals)but didn't - and the fact O hasn't even proved a valid birth certificate.
http://bobmccarty.com/2008/10/03...duce-documents/ .
And O lied on the Acorn response.
Sure hope people 'get the message' and vote M on Nov. 4th!drinker BB

PS> When the man's character NEEDS pointed out, that was fair to do. He hasn't explained it all
- only lied to cover up things, he wasn't 8 yrs old when he was involved w/him recently!

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Thu 10/16/08 08:56 AM
UGH frustrated

will someone just vote in my place while i run and cover my head in my room where it's safe!!!!

me2g's photo
Thu 10/16/08 08:58 AM

where is the judgment???

if you don't know what you pay into the system how can you complain about it!!!




if someone worked harder and made better financial decisions then the "masses" they should be penalized.....????????????
and pay more!!!!

sounds like the communist manifesto


Let me get this straight..... so what your saying is that corporate greed is a good thing? or perhaps that the ceo's are entitled to their ill gains at the expense of the tax payers? or perhaps that corperate america is more important than middle class america? frustrated

The american economy depends on the middle class..


no photo
Thu 10/16/08 09:05 AM
Edited by becca777 on Thu 10/16/08 09:07 AM
for now anyways...til our money is gone


wait....am I still middle class what

Winx's photo
Thu 10/16/08 09:10 AM



I thought the debate was a good one and you could see what type of leader each would be.

It was not so much what Obama said, it was what he didn't say that impressed me.

When McCain launched his Ayers attack about how Obama is "palling around with terrorists", Obama responded and explained.

Obama could have launched his Keating 5 attack but held back and didn't get into the mud with McCain.

To me, this showed courage, that he is above the petty attacks that are waged on his character.


It's called class.:wink:


McCain was cleared in any wrong-doing on that k/5
report. Obama didn't want to get any more 'egg on his face' bringing it up. And M SHOULD have brought up Rev. Wright (and some other pals)but didn't - and the fact O hasn't even proved a valid birth certificate.
http://bobmccarty.com/2008/10/03...duce-documents/ .
And O lied on the Acorn response.
Sure hope people 'get the message' and vote M on Nov. 4th!drinker BB



The Senate Ethics Committee cited McCain for exercising "poor judgment" for intervening with the federal regulators on behalf of Keating.

Obama has shown his birth certificate. His birth announcement has been found in a Hawaii newspaper the day after he was born.

Acorn's people screwing around with voter registration? That falls on Acorn and not Obama.

Sure hope people get the message and vote for Obama.drinker

Winx's photo
Thu 10/16/08 09:11 AM

for now anyways...til our money is gone


wait....am I still middle class what


Who knows anymore?laugh

franshade's photo
Thu 10/16/08 09:15 AM
Edited by franshade on Thu 10/16/08 09:16 AM




I thought the debate was a good one and you could see what type of leader each would be.

It was not so much what Obama said, it was what he didn't say that impressed me.

When McCain launched his Ayers attack about how Obama is "palling around with terrorists", Obama responded and explained.

Obama could have launched his Keating 5 attack but held back and didn't get into the mud with McCain.

To me, this showed courage, that he is above the petty attacks that are waged on his character.


It's called class.:wink:


McCain was cleared in any wrong-doing on that k/5
report. Obama didn't want to get any more 'egg on his face' bringing it up. And M SHOULD have brought up Rev. Wright (and some other pals)but didn't - and the fact O hasn't even proved a valid birth certificate.
http://bobmccarty.com/2008/10/03...duce-documents/ .
And O lied on the Acorn response.
Sure hope people 'get the message' and vote M on Nov. 4th!drinker BB


The Senate Ethics Committee cited McCain for exercising "poor judgment" for intervening with the federal regulators on behalf of Keating.

Obama has shown his birth certificate. His birth announcement has been found in a Hawaii newspaper the day after he was born.

Acorn's people screwing around with voter registration? That falls on Acorn and not Obama.

Sure hope people get the message and vote for Obama.drinker


*** Winx - this has been approached various times, Obama took time out and clearly clarified Ayers and Acorn; those who didnt hear what they wanted to hear continue to question. He has answered to the umpteenth time regarding his place of birth. Childish in my opinion (and my opinion alone) just like McCains temper (I see it not as dangerous but childlike/comical) I'll huff and puff and blow your house down again just my opinion.


me2g's photo
Thu 10/16/08 09:19 AM

for now anyways...til our money is gone


wait....am I still middle class what


Even if this country does go belly up it will be the middle class that pulls through. Do the math.
If you remove the middle class out of the equation, there is no upper or lower, just dictators and peasants. The Middle Class is "the heart of America"

Winx's photo
Thu 10/16/08 09:36 AM





I thought the debate was a good one and you could see what type of leader each would be.

It was not so much what Obama said, it was what he didn't say that impressed me.

When McCain launched his Ayers attack about how Obama is "palling around with terrorists", Obama responded and explained.

Obama could have launched his Keating 5 attack but held back and didn't get into the mud with McCain.

To me, this showed courage, that he is above the petty attacks that are waged on his character.


It's called class.:wink:


McCain was cleared in any wrong-doing on that k/5
report. Obama didn't want to get any more 'egg on his face' bringing it up. And M SHOULD have brought up Rev. Wright (and some other pals)but didn't - and the fact O hasn't even proved a valid birth certificate.
http://bobmccarty.com/2008/10/03...duce-documents/ .
And O lied on the Acorn response.
Sure hope people 'get the message' and vote M on Nov. 4th!drinker BB


The Senate Ethics Committee cited McCain for exercising "poor judgment" for intervening with the federal regulators on behalf of Keating.

Obama has shown his birth certificate. His birth announcement has been found in a Hawaii newspaper the day after he was born.

Acorn's people screwing around with voter registration? That falls on Acorn and not Obama.

Sure hope people get the message and vote for Obama.drinker


*** Winx - this has been approached various times, Obama took time out and clearly clarified Ayers and Acorn; those who didnt hear what they wanted to hear continue to question. He has answered to the umpteenth time regarding his place of birth. Childish in my opinion (and my opinion alone) just like McCains temper (I see it not as dangerous but childlike/comical) I'll huff and puff and blow your house down again just my opinion.




frustrated frustrated

Winx's photo
Thu 10/16/08 09:37 AM


for now anyways...til our money is gone


wait....am I still middle class what


Even if this country does go belly up it will be the middle class that pulls through. Do the math.
If you remove the middle class out of the equation, there is no upper or lower, just dictators and peasants. The Middle Class is "the heart of America"


drinker

ohwidow's photo
Thu 10/16/08 10:48 AM


AND if O is proved to not to win the l/suit aboyt his birth/cert (((Thursday, October 2, 2008
OBAMA is USING TERRORIST'S LAWYER to Defend LAWSUIT

Here come another of those "Guilt by Associations" that Senator Barack Obama will try to weasel himself out of. As you may know, Philip Berg is suing Senator Obama in Civil Court. Berg wants Obama to Produce his real birth certificate to prove that he meets the citizenship requirements to be President. Rather than just product the birth certificate (is he trying to hide something?) Obama's legal team filed a motion to dismiss. One of the Lawyers filing the motion was Joe Sandler (sandler@sandlerreiff.com) of the Washington law firm Sandler, Reiff, and Young (see the document below).

If Mr. Sandler's name sounds familiar it Should. He is the Legal Hit Man for the Council of American-Islamic Relations (CAIR). CAIR is an organization with terrorist ties, and has been as an un-indicted co-conspirator in the Holyland Foundation Hamas Funding trial.

Sandler's role for CAIR has been to stifle people from telling the truth about Islam. For example, last year he tried to get Jihad Expert Robert Spencer banned from speaking to the Young American Foundation, by using a threatening letter. Sandler followed up by threatening columnist Mike Adams for writing about the Spencer incident.

Look, everyone deserves legal representation that is not the Issue. The real issue is why is a candidate for President of the United States, a guy who wants to take over the role of Commander-in-Chief in the war on terror, using the Lawyer for CAIR a group with terrorist connections, to represent him in a law suit? Once again the Junior Senator from Illinois leave us with questions and no answers.
http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com/2...-lawyer-to.html

)))) anyway, if he is disqualifed, Nancy Pelosi would be our next president?,

Check this out,

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/09/24/obama-biden-pelosi-hillary-obama-disqualified-obama-removed-biden-drops-out-pelosi-next-president-pelosi-set-up/

grumble

http://obamaimpeachment.org/

reading the above link if nothing else :(
Peace, BB

franshade's photo
Thu 10/16/08 11:18 AM
:laughing:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

In the first half of 2008, a number of rumors swirling around about presidential candidate Barack Obama coalesced in the claim that he "refused to produce his birth certificate" (as if that were a typical expectation of presidential candidates) because doing so would demonstrate some or all of those rumors to be true: that Barack Obama was "not African," that he was a Muslim with a middle name of Mohammed, that he wasn't born in the United States at all (and thus didn't qualify as a native-born citizen), etc.

In any event the rumormongers were likely to be disappointed. Information about religion and race, when it was collected for birth certificates, simply reflected whatever the parents identified themselves to be; those values weren't officially assigned to the newborn children as immutable labels. And of course, no infant has any control over whatever names his parents choose for him.


:laughing: good try though






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Thu 10/16/08 12:14 PM
*Breaking* Michelle Obama Confirms Barack Is Indonesian « td blog Says:
October 15, 2008 at 4:50 pm
[...] African Press International, Michelle Obama called API to complain about the reports by bloggers that challenge her [...]
---snip--- wow---

Latest news, M. O. speaks out ("racist" because against her husband?? AND note -about where she says O was born, but adopted my his step-father...follow it down thru the responses :)

http://africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/shocking-development-mrs-obama-decides-enough-is-enough-my-husband-was-born-in-hawaii-and-adopted-by-his-step-father-does-that-make-him-unpatriotic-she-asks-on-a-direct-telephone-to-api/

Danae Says:
October 15, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Oh my God. Michele Obama… GOD BLESS YOU. HUGE MISTAKE. HUGE! If Obama was adopted by his Step father as was conjectured, he was a citizen of Indonesia, which did NOT recognize dual citizenship. This means that Obama upon return to the United States would be a NATURALIZED citizen, regardless of where he was Born. He is Constitutionally INELIGIBLE to run for President of the United States!!!!
------end copy--- AND, on another note,

---copy--- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/2008/10/berg-v-obama-could-obama-still-be.html


Thank you for getting the word out. Americans need to know that Barack Hussein Obama, A/K/A Barry Soetoro, A/K/A Barry Obama, A/K/A Barack Dunham, A/K/A : Barry Dunham, cannot prove his U.S. citizenship. Congratulations on an excellent web site for the silent Majority of Americans.

--snip---
The lie on his bar application ties into to all of this. A simple question we all have in our professional lives: Have you ever used any or been known by any other names than the one you are making application under? He wrote "NO". It became obvious that there have been a laundry list of other names from Kenya, Indonesia, Hawaii and the US mainland. He did not disclose this and must have had a good (illusive) reason for the omission. This cost him 8 years at an ivy league school and poof, gone. Now without politics he has no source of income. Hummmmm? This fact is in the original brief Berg sent to the court.
--- So, he lies, lies, and lies some more.
Then when this lie is discovered, -------

Obama has no Law License

Obama relinquished his Illinois law license in early 2007. Why would
Obama give up something that provided his primary source of income
and something he spent so much time and energy obtaining? Andy Martin
filed a complaint in IL on March 13, 2007 stating that Obama had lied
on his IL bar application. Obama had 17 outstanding traffic violations
that he had failed to take care of. Mr. Martin discovered that Obama
would not be prosecuted because he no longer had his law license. I contacted Andy Martin and this was his response:

�Nothing. Obama had already resigned as a lawyer and so they had no jurisdiction over him.�
�Not if they have lost jurisdiction over the individual. They can�t punish someone who has resigned, which is why so many corrupt lawyers in Illinois resign before they are disbarred.---end copy

Guess his lawyer days ARE over there, just good ole politics left for him...... Let's end that too!
He DOES NOT deserve to hold the highest seat and speak for us. LIES!! BB

Wake up America!

http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/2008/10/berg-v-obama-could-obama-still-be.html

Winx's photo
Thu 10/16/08 12:28 PM
Edited by Winx on Thu 10/16/08 12:29 PM
Snopes vs. Biased News Source

Hmmmwhat ....Snopes it is.drinker



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Thu 10/16/08 12:31 PM

*Breaking* Michelle Obama Confirms Barack Is Indonesian « td blog Says:
October 15, 2008 at 4:50 pm
[...] African Press International, Michelle Obama called API to complain about the reports by bloggers that challenge her [...]
---snip--- wow---

Latest news, M. O. speaks out ("racist" because against her husband?? AND note -about where she says O was born, but adopted my his step-father...follow it down thru the responses :)

http://africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/shocking-development-mrs-obama-decides-enough-is-enough-my-husband-was-born-in-hawaii-and-adopted-by-his-step-father-does-that-make-him-unpatriotic-she-asks-on-a-direct-telephone-to-api/

Danae Says:
October 15, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Oh my God. Michele Obama… GOD BLESS YOU. HUGE MISTAKE. HUGE! If Obama was adopted by his Step father as was conjectured, he was a citizen of Indonesia, which did NOT recognize dual citizenship. This means that Obama upon return to the United States would be a NATURALIZED citizen, regardless of where he was Born. He is Constitutionally INELIGIBLE to run for President of the United States!!!!
------end copy--- AND, on another note,

---copy--- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/2008/10/berg-v-obama-could-obama-still-be.html


Thank you for getting the word out. Americans need to know that Barack Hussein Obama, A/K/A Barry Soetoro, A/K/A Barry Obama, A/K/A Barack Dunham, A/K/A : Barry Dunham, cannot prove his U.S. citizenship. Congratulations on an excellent web site for the silent Majority of Americans.

--snip---
The lie on his bar application ties into to all of this. A simple question we all have in our professional lives: Have you ever used any or been known by any other names than the one you are making application under? He wrote "NO". It became obvious that there have been a laundry list of other names from Kenya, Indonesia, Hawaii and the US mainland. He did not disclose this and must have had a good (illusive) reason for the omission. This cost him 8 years at an ivy league school and poof, gone. Now without politics he has no source of income. Hummmmm? This fact is in the original brief Berg sent to the court.
--- So, he lies, lies, and lies some more.
Then when this lie is discovered, -------

Obama has no Law License

Obama relinquished his Illinois law license in early 2007. Why would
Obama give up something that provided his primary source of income
and something he spent so much time and energy obtaining? Andy Martin
filed a complaint in IL on March 13, 2007 stating that Obama had lied
on his IL bar application. Obama had 17 outstanding traffic violations
that he had failed to take care of. Mr. Martin discovered that Obama
would not be prosecuted because he no longer had his law license. I contacted Andy Martin and this was his response:

�Nothing. Obama had already resigned as a lawyer and so they had no jurisdiction over him.�
�Not if they have lost jurisdiction over the individual. They can�t punish someone who has resigned, which is why so many corrupt lawyers in Illinois resign before they are disbarred.---end copy

Guess his lawyer days ARE over there, just good ole politics left for him...... Let's end that too!
He DOES NOT deserve to hold the highest seat and speak for us. LIES!! BB

Wake up America!

http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/2008/10/berg-v-obama-could-obama-still-be.html
Blogspot.com....Good sourcelaugh There's a post on here that says McCain is really a old woman dressed up like a man..Check it out, just as factual of a read!!!

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