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Topic: Spoiled Brats....
Quikstepper's photo
Wed 11/12/08 02:53 PM
So typical of radicals...like this gay group. There is nothing normal or ordinary about this behavior. They should practice the live & let live they like to preach when it comes to THEMSELVES!


Gay rights protesters disrupt Sunday service

People threw fliers, shouted slogans at Delta Township church


DELTA TWP. - A radical gay rights group is claiming responsibility for a protest Sunday at Mount Hope Church in Delta Township.


Protesters who entered the Creyts Road church along with worshippers surprised the congregation when they stood up during the service, threw fliers at churchgoers and shouted slogans such as "It's OK to be gay," and "Jesus was a homo," according to David Williams, communications director at the church. His father, Dave Williams, is the church's longtime pastor. He was not preaching at the church Sunday.

Another group of protesters demonstrated outside the church at the same time as the indoor protest.

The Eaton County Sheriff's Department responded to the scene Sunday but no arrests were made.

In a released statement, David Williams said churchgoers were unclear as to the purpose of the demonstration.

A Lansing group affiliated with a radical gay organization known as Bash Back, formed to protest the Republican and Democratic national conventions earlier this year, put out a call on the Internet on Oct. 7 for activists to come to a "radical queer convergence" in Lansing on Nov. 7-9.

A posting on its MySpace page declared the convergence a "fierce success."

Fire alarm pulled
According to a report on the Bash Back group's news site, protesters inside the church pulled a fire alarm, unfurled a banner from the church balcony, shouted and threw fliers to the worshippers.

Outside the church, protesters carried picket signs and an upside-down, pink cross.

The conservative RightMichigan Web site posted an account of the incident Monday, and a number of conservative bloggers had picked up on the item by Tuesday.

Williams said the church had received 80 to 85 e-mails and phone calls by Tuesday, "from churches and individuals around the country to express their concern and general disgust for what happened on Sunday."

Nick De Leeuw of RightMichigan said he got his account of the incident from a church member who was there.

However, he said, the photo along with his report - of protesters dressed in black with their faces covered by pink, Middle-Eastern style headcoverings - was not from the protest at the church but from an earlier Bash Back protest elsewhere.

No arrests made
Mount Hope Church, affiliated with the Assemblies of God denomination, teaches followers that homosexuality is a sin.

However, "Mount Hope Church strives to follow Jesus' example of loving the sinner but not the sin," Williams said.

The Eaton County Sheriff's Department got a call regarding the protest at about noon Sunday, said Lt. Jeff Warder.

Warder said protesters outside the church left peacefully when someone from the team of pastors came outside and told them they were not welcome on church property.

Warder said deputies did not handle the protest inside the building.

No arrests were made.

In New York City on Tuesday, the conservative Catholic League said it would ask Michigan Attorney General Mike Cox to investigate the protest.

Typically, the sheriff's investigation would be turned over to the county prosecutor if the sheriff felt charges were warranted, said Matt Frendewey, spokesman for the attorney general's office. He said it would be rare for the attorney general's office to get involved in such a case.

http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/article/20081112/NEWS01/811120369

Lynann's photo
Wed 11/12/08 03:02 PM
I live near this so called church.

The same church who some years ago through the "counseling" program convinced two adult women they were victims of satanic rituals performed by their parents. Trouble is...it never happened. The matter was investigated and forensic evidence the so called church said they could provide was proven false.

The sisters involved also accuse the church of manipulating them.

Mount Hope Church is among the ugliest and most divisive churches in this state. I didn't know about this action but I cannot say I blame the protesters for selecting them as a target of protest.

That building is full of hateful rhetoric and some of the most un-Christian people I have ever seen.

Lynann's photo
Wed 11/12/08 03:04 PM
Oh and yes...I have attended services there more than once.

Quikstepper's photo
Wed 11/12/08 03:07 PM
Edited by Quikstepper on Wed 11/12/08 03:08 PM
Well I guess you would know...I've never seen a church stay opened that was so lopsided. they eventually lose their membership & close.

If not then maybe the rhetorick doesn't match the reality. Just sayin'...

In any case...there is no excuse for what they did or said. It's disgusting & doesn't make for good friends either.

Lynann's photo
Wed 11/12/08 03:08 PM
Maybe they have a congregation who thinks like...

Lynann's photo
Wed 11/12/08 03:18 PM
Do you have a link to the article please?

I am very very curious.

Quikstepper's photo
Wed 11/12/08 03:32 PM
Oh sorry...I thought I posted it.

http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/article/20081112/NEWS01/811120369

snarkytwain's photo
Wed 11/12/08 04:17 PM
Ignorance = hate. Hate = violence. Violence = evil.

Even I can do THAT math. laugh

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Wed 11/12/08 04:36 PM
Edited by Unknow on Wed 11/12/08 04:50 PM

Well I guess you would know...I've never seen a church stay opened that was so lopsided. they eventually lose their membership & close.

If not then maybe the rhetorick doesn't match the reality. Just sayin'...

In any case...there is no excuse for what they did or said. It's disgusting & doesn't make for good friends either.
I look at it as free speech. Same right you want to give the church you want to take away from the people.. I was proven wrong by saying church should not able to openly support policy! Why give the church more rights than the people. I would think this would open the church up to alot if the people wanted. But hey I dont think religion belongs in politics anyway.JMO

no photo
Wed 11/12/08 04:55 PM
how would you know what a "typical radical" is?? for all your talk to the contrary, your posts reflect you tote the neo-con party line...

Lynann's photo
Wed 11/12/08 05:00 PM
I am pretty entertained by religious right types who want to impose their ideals on the rest of us in area's like abortion and marriage but who are suddenly surprised and shocked when people get fed up and come to the doors of their church and call them out.

One more instance of double standards and hypocrisy.

People have short memories.

It's my bet that in the late 50's or early 60's if there would have been ballot proposals on integration, mixed race marriage or voting rights all would have failed.

Those who rail against the judiciary "making law" have forgotten something the founding fathers feared. Mob rule.

The majority does not equal right or just.

Something to think about.


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Wed 11/12/08 05:03 PM
The "religious right", is neither.

Lynann's photo
Wed 11/12/08 05:54 PM
Yep

no photo
Wed 11/12/08 06:02 PM
To me it Hypocrisy at it finest..It reminds me of a quote my dad used " Do as I say, not as I do " It kinda fits here.

Quikstepper's photo
Wed 11/12/08 06:05 PM
Edited by Quikstepper on Wed 11/12/08 06:06 PM
WOW! You people are so hateful...talk about being intolerant.

People in glass houses...just like yu'all say when it's your sacred cow... people don't need to explain why they feel the way they do. That goes for you too. You can believe what you want but don't expect people to get on any old bandwagon.

adj4u's photo
Wed 11/12/08 06:09 PM
organized religion = the root of all evil

adj4u's photo
Wed 11/12/08 06:10 PM
Edited by adj4u on Wed 11/12/08 06:24 PM
what ever happened to this line

judge not lest ye be judged



or hate the sin not the sinner




Lynann's photo
Wed 11/12/08 06:14 PM
Okay here ya go

"So typical of radicals...like this gay group. There is nothing normal or ordinary about this behavior. They should practice the live & let live they like to preach when it comes to THEMSELVES!"

Take out the word gay and insert the word Christian or Neocon or republican and you know how the rest of us feel.

Your own words.

talk the talk...walk the walk



Quikstepper's photo
Wed 11/12/08 06:16 PM

Okay here ya go

"So typical of radicals...like this gay group. There is nothing normal or ordinary about this behavior. They should practice the live & let live they like to preach when it comes to THEMSELVES!"

Take out the word gay and insert the word Christian or Neocon or republican and you know how the rest of us feel.

Your own words.

talk the talk...walk the walk






Um... I think that should also go for the secular loones who want everyone to conform to THEIR rules or there would be no problem. :smile: :tongue: :smile:

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Wed 11/12/08 06:20 PM

WOW! You people are so hateful...talk about being intolerant.

People in glass houses...just like yu'all say when it's your sacred cow... people don't need to explain why they feel the way they do. That goes for you too. You can believe what you want but don't expect people to get on any old bandwagon.
You did not see any hate from me!!!!!! I deeply disagree with what they did!!!VERY HATEFUL!!!! I just agree with their right to do so. I dont wont to argue Church and state and I been proven wrong. That I beleive really comes down to "Interptation of What a Man said 200 yrs ago. I just disagree with giving the church more rights than the people!!!

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