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jessicapickle Joined Sat 09/15/07 Posts: 2839	Sat 12/06/08 03:42 PM
Scientology is a body of beliefs and related practices created by American science fiction author L. Ron Hubbard.[1] Hubbard developed Scientology teachings in 1952 as a successor to his earlier self-help system, Dianetics.[2] Hubbard later characterized Scientology as an "applied religious philosophy" and the basis for a new religion with the first Scientology church being established in New Jersey, December 1953.[3][4][5] A commonly held belief among Scientologists is that psychiatry and psychology are destructive and abusive fields, which must be abolished.[6][7] Scientology advocates that people are immortal spiritual beings (or thetans) which have lived many lifetimes. Scientologists believe that the primary purpose of existence is survival.[8] One controversial aspect of Scientology beliefs is the idea that thetans lived among extraterrestrial cultures before becoming trapped in bodies on Earth.[9] It is believed that thetans were brainwashed by these extraterrestrial cultures as a means of population control. The belief of extraterrestrial origins is not taught to new members, but is only presented after members have advanced through the ranks of Scientology. There are a large number of organizations overseeing the application of Scientology, many of which are separate legal entities.[10] These organizations have remained highly controversial since their inception. Most notable of these organizations is the Church of Scientology, whose primary concern is to uphold the belief system of Scientology. Former members, journalists, courts, and authorities in multiple countries have described Scientology as a cult [11][12][13][14][15][16] and an unscrupulous commercial enterprise. Critics claim that the organization has a history of harassing its critics and abusing the trust of its members.[14][16][17][18][15][19] Time Magazine describes Scientology as "a hugely profitable global racket that survives by intimidating members and critics in a Mafia-like manner." [14] Scientology has consistently litigated most actions which it has perceived to be threatening. One major litigation point is that of copyright infringement.[20][21] The Church of Scientology upholds the notion that individuals can discover for themselves whether Scientology works through personal observation and experience rather than blind faith.[citation needed] The Church promotes a type of counseling called "auditing" as a means of spiritual rehabilitation.[3] Scientology runs several promotion campaigns through closely related organizations[10][22] in the form of a set of moral standards, an anti-drug program, an education methodology, a volunteer organization and a business management method. Do you believe in this crap?

MirrorMirror Joined Fri 10/26/07 Posts: 89680	Sat 12/06/08 03:46 PM
Scientology is a body of beliefs and related practices created by American science fiction author L. Ron Hubbard.[1] Hubbard developed Scientology teachings in 1952 as a successor to his earlier self-help system, Dianetics.[2] Hubbard later characterized Scientology as an "applied religious philosophy" and the basis for a new religion with the first Scientology church being established in New Jersey, December 1953.[3][4][5] A commonly held belief among Scientologists is that psychiatry and psychology are destructive and abusive fields, which must be abolished.[6][7] Scientology advocates that people are immortal spiritual beings (or thetans) which have lived many lifetimes. Scientologists believe that the primary purpose of existence is survival.[8] One controversial aspect of Scientology beliefs is the idea that thetans lived among extraterrestrial cultures before becoming trapped in bodies on Earth.[9] It is believed that thetans were brainwashed by these extraterrestrial cultures as a means of population control. The belief of extraterrestrial origins is not taught to new members, but is only presented after members have advanced through the ranks of Scientology. There are a large number of organizations overseeing the application of Scientology, many of which are separate legal entities.[10] These organizations have remained highly controversial since their inception. Most notable of these organizations is the Church of Scientology, whose primary concern is to uphold the belief system of Scientology. Former members, journalists, courts, and authorities in multiple countries have described Scientology as a cult [11][12][13][14][15][16] and an unscrupulous commercial enterprise. Critics claim that the organization has a history of harassing its critics and abusing the trust of its members.[14][16][17][18][15][19] Time Magazine describes Scientology as "a hugely profitable global racket that survives by intimidating members and critics in a Mafia-like manner." [14] Scientology has consistently litigated most actions which it has perceived to be threatening. One major litigation point is that of copyright infringement.[20][21] The Church of Scientology upholds the notion that individuals can discover for themselves whether Scientology works through personal observation and experience rather than blind faith.[citation needed] The Church promotes a type of counseling called "auditing" as a means of spiritual rehabilitation.[3] Scientology runs several promotion campaigns through closely related organizations[10][22] in the form of a set of moral standards, an anti-drug program, an education methodology, a volunteer organization and a business management method. Do you believe in this crap? It changed my life

Pete0909 Joined Sun 10/26/08 Posts: 1998	Sat 12/06/08 04:15 PM
You forgot the best parts about space ships and atomic bombs!! taken from http://www.skeptictank.org/gen3/gen01985.htm Now for all you Scientologists planning on moving up the Bridge, I just want to give you a heads-up on what to expect. And, for the few people who ever consider getting into Scientology, I want to give you a brief view of their cosmology. This story is the core belief in the religion known as Scientology. If the people Scientology tries to recruit knew about this story, I don't think they would ever get involved. This story is told to Scientologists when they reach a higher leveI. If the people in Scientology at the lower levels knew about this story, I don't think they would would stay on the Scientology hamster wheel. It is a road to total something, but not freedom. 75 million years ago, there was an alien galactic ruler named Xenu who was in charge of 76 planets in our part of the galaxy, including our own planet Earth, whose name at that time was Teegeeack. All of the planets Xenu controlled were over-populated by, on average, 178 billion people. Social problems dictated that Xenu rid his sector of the galaxy of this overpopulation problem, so he developed a plan. Xenu sent out Tax Audit demands to all these billions of people. As each one entered the audit centers for the income tax inspections, the people were seized, held down and injected with a mixture of alcohol and glycol, and frozen. Then, all 1.4 trillion of these frozen people were put into spaceships that looked exactly like DC8 airplanes, except that the spaceships had rocket engines instead of propellers. Xenu's entire fleet of DC8-like spaceships then flew to planet Earth, where the frozen people were dumped in and around volcanoes in the Canary Islands and the Hawaiian Islands. When Xenu's Air Force had finished dumping the bodies into the volcanoes, hydrogen bombs were dropped into the volcanoes and the frozen space aliens were destroyed. However, Xenu's plan involved setting up electronic traps in Teegeack's atmosphere which were designed to trap the souls or spirits of the dead space aliens. When the 1.4 trillion spirits were being blown around on the nuclear winds, the electronic traps worked like a charm and captured all the souls in the electronic, sticky fly-paper like traps. The spirits of the aliens were then taken to huge multi-plex cinemas that Xenu had previously instructed his forces to build on Teegeack. In these movie theatres the spirits had to spend many days watching special 3D movies, the purpose of which was twofold: 1) to implant into these spirits a false reality, i.e. the reality that WOGS know on Earth today; and, 2) to control these spirits for all eternity so that they could never cause trouble for Xenu in this sector of the Galaxy. During these films, many false pictures were implanted into these spirits, which resulted in the spirits believing in all the things that control mankind on Earth today, including religion. The concept of religion, including God, Christ, Mohammed, Moses etc., were all an implanted false reality that to this very minute is used to control WOGS on earth. When the films ended and the souls left the cinema, they started to stick together in clusters of a few thousand and remained that way until mankind began to inhabit the earth. Today on earth all the spirits of these aliens have attached themselves to our bodies and are the root cause of the false reality that all but Scientology's OT 8's on earth experience. It is the job of all Scientologists to remove this false reality from the world by auditing each and every space alien spirit and human on earth to CLEAR not only this planet but the universe. For those who oppose Scientology and stand in their way like the LMT and all Scientology critics, Scientology promises to do away with them "quitely and without sorrow".

martymark Joined Tue 11/18/08 Posts: 1105	Sat 12/06/08 04:33 PM
Isn't this in the wrong topic? mean I don't really care, I have just found that people take me a little more shall we say acceptable of reality if I at least pay enough attention to post under the corrct topic! just a thought

ArtGurl Joined Sun 04/08/07 Posts: 17722	Sat 12/06/08 05:47 PM Edited by ArtGurl on Sat 12/06/08 05:50 PM
Isn't this in the wrong topic? mean I don't really care, I have just found that people take me a little more shall we say acceptable of reality if I at least pay enough attention to post under the corrct topic! just a thought It is a philosophy ... where would you suggest putting it? There have been some very significant discussions about Scientology in the Religion forums (before we had anywhere else to post) ... the OP might want to check those out as well...

Pete0909 Joined Sun 10/26/08 Posts: 1998	Sat 12/06/08 06:09 PM
It even has science in the name!

jessicapickle Joined Sat 09/15/07 Posts: 2839	Sat 12/06/08 06:13 PM
It even has science in the name! My point exactly! lol. lol. lol.

Seamonster Joined Mon 11/03/08 Posts: 902	Sat 12/06/08 06:45 PM Edited by Seamonster on Sat 12/06/08 06:46 PM
This is scientology, strait from L.Ron's mouth. And south Park. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bzcGK9xqEU

SkyHook5652 Joined Sat 08/23/08 Posts: 4063	Sat 12/06/08 06:50 PM Edited by SkyHook5652 on Sat 12/06/08 06:52 PM
Scientology is a body of beliefs and related practices created by American science fiction author L. Ron Hubbard.[1] Hubbard developed Scientology teachings in 1952 as a successor to his earlier self-help system, Dianetics.[2] Hubbard later characterized Scientology as an "applied religious philosophy" and the basis for a new religion with the first Scientology church being established in New Jersey, December 1953.[3][4][5] A commonly held belief among Scientologists is that psychiatry and psychology are destructive and abusive fields, which must be abolished.[6][7] Scientology advocates that people are immortal spiritual beings (or thetans) which have lived many lifetimes. Scientologists believe that the primary purpose of existence is survival.[8] One controversial aspect of Scientology beliefs is the idea that thetans lived among extraterrestrial cultures before becoming trapped in bodies on Earth.[9] It is believed that thetans were brainwashed by these extraterrestrial cultures as a means of population control. The belief of extraterrestrial origins is not taught to new members, but is only presented after members have advanced through the ranks of Scientology. There are a large number of organizations overseeing the application of Scientology, many of which are separate legal entities.[10] These organizations have remained highly controversial since their inception. Most notable of these organizations is the Church of Scientology, whose primary concern is to uphold the belief system of Scientology. Former members, journalists, courts, and authorities in multiple countries have described Scientology as a cult [11][12][13][14][15][16] and an unscrupulous commercial enterprise. Critics claim that the organization has a history of harassing its critics and abusing the trust of its members.[14][16][17][18][15][19] Time Magazine describes Scientology as "a hugely profitable global racket that survives by intimidating members and critics in a Mafia-like manner." [14] Scientology has consistently litigated most actions which it has perceived to be threatening. One major litigation point is that of copyright infringement.[20][21] The Church of Scientology upholds the notion that individuals can discover for themselves whether Scientology works through personal observation and experience rather than blind faith.[citation needed] The Church promotes a type of counseling called "auditing" as a means of spiritual rehabilitation.[3] Scientology runs several promotion campaigns through closely related organizations[10][22] in the form of a set of moral standards, an anti-drug program, an education methodology, a volunteer organization and a business management method. Do you believe in this crap? I believe some of it. Some of it I know for a fact to be true. Most of it is, as you say, crap, just like most biased, vitrolic attacks on anything of which the attackers are, for all practical purposes, completely ignorant.

Seamonster Joined Mon 11/03/08 Posts: 902	Sat 12/06/08 06:56 PM
Scientology is a body of beliefs and related practices created by American science fiction author L. Ron Hubbard.[1] Hubbard developed Scientology teachings in 1952 as a successor to his earlier self-help system, Dianetics.[2] Hubbard later characterized Scientology as an "applied religious philosophy" and the basis for a new religion with the first Scientology church being established in New Jersey, December 1953.[3][4][5] A commonly held belief among Scientologists is that psychiatry and psychology are destructive and abusive fields, which must be abolished.[6][7] Scientology advocates that people are immortal spiritual beings (or thetans) which have lived many lifetimes. Scientologists believe that the primary purpose of existence is survival.[8] One controversial aspect of Scientology beliefs is the idea that thetans lived among extraterrestrial cultures before becoming trapped in bodies on Earth.[9] It is believed that thetans were brainwashed by these extraterrestrial cultures as a means of population control. The belief of extraterrestrial origins is not taught to new members, but is only presented after members have advanced through the ranks of Scientology. There are a large number of organizations overseeing the application of Scientology, many of which are separate legal entities.[10] These organizations have remained highly controversial since their inception. Most notable of these organizations is the Church of Scientology, whose primary concern is to uphold the belief system of Scientology. Former members, journalists, courts, and authorities in multiple countries have described Scientology as a cult [11][12][13][14][15][16] and an unscrupulous commercial enterprise. Critics claim that the organization has a history of harassing its critics and abusing the trust of its members.[14][16][17][18][15][19] Time Magazine describes Scientology as "a hugely profitable global racket that survives by intimidating members and critics in a Mafia-like manner." [14] Scientology has consistently litigated most actions which it has perceived to be threatening. One major litigation point is that of copyright infringement.[20][21] The Church of Scientology upholds the notion that individuals can discover for themselves whether Scientology works through personal observation and experience rather than blind faith.[citation needed] The Church promotes a type of counseling called "auditing" as a means of spiritual rehabilitation.[3] Scientology runs several promotion campaigns through closely related organizations[10][22] in the form of a set of moral standards, an anti-drug program, an education methodology, a volunteer organization and a business management method. Do you believe in this crap? I believe some of it. Some of it I know for a fact to be true. Most of it is, as you say, crap, just like most biased, vitrolic attacks on anything of which the attackers are, for all practical purposes, completely ignorant. the vid I posted tell all anyone needs to know about the cult.

elanher Joined Sat 03/08/08 Posts: 505	Sat 12/06/08 07:41 PM
To me it's hard to imagine how anyone could follow what L Ron Hubbard said. He was a complete loon. He locked people up in the ships chain lockers and threw people overboard for disagreeing with him. Regardless of that I think Scientology is just as believable as any other belief system or religion.

SkyHook5652 Joined Sat 08/23/08 Posts: 4063	Sat 12/06/08 07:43 PM Edited by SkyHook5652 on Sat 12/06/08 07:43 PM
Scientology is a body of beliefs and related practices created by American science fiction author L. Ron Hubbard.[1] Hubbard developed Scientology teachings in 1952 as a successor to his earlier self-help system, Dianetics.[2] Hubbard later characterized Scientology as an "applied religious philosophy" and the basis for a new religion with the first Scientology church being established in New Jersey, December 1953.[3][4][5] A commonly held belief among Scientologists is that psychiatry and psychology are destructive and abusive fields, which must be abolished.[6][7] Scientology advocates that people are immortal spiritual beings (or thetans) which have lived many lifetimes. Scientologists believe that the primary purpose of existence is survival.[8] One controversial aspect of Scientology beliefs is the idea that thetans lived among extraterrestrial cultures before becoming trapped in bodies on Earth.[9] It is believed that thetans were brainwashed by these extraterrestrial cultures as a means of population control. The belief of extraterrestrial origins is not taught to new members, but is only presented after members have advanced through the ranks of Scientology. There are a large number of organizations overseeing the application of Scientology, many of which are separate legal entities.[10] These organizations have remained highly controversial since their inception. Most notable of these organizations is the Church of Scientology, whose primary concern is to uphold the belief system of Scientology. Former members, journalists, courts, and authorities in multiple countries have described Scientology as a cult [11][12][13][14][15][16] and an unscrupulous commercial enterprise. Critics claim that the organization has a history of harassing its critics and abusing the trust of its members.[14][16][17][18][15][19] Time Magazine describes Scientology as "a hugely profitable global racket that survives by intimidating members and critics in a Mafia-like manner." [14] Scientology has consistently litigated most actions which it has perceived to be threatening. One major litigation point is that of copyright infringement.[20][21] The Church of Scientology upholds the notion that individuals can discover for themselves whether Scientology works through personal observation and experience rather than blind faith.[citation needed] The Church promotes a type of counseling called "auditing" as a means of spiritual rehabilitation.[3] Scientology runs several promotion campaigns through closely related organizations[10][22] in the form of a set of moral standards, an anti-drug program, an education methodology, a volunteer organization and a business management method. Do you believe in this crap? I believe some of it. Some of it I know for a fact to be true. Most of it is, as you say, crap, just like most biased, vitrolic attacks on anything of which the attackers are, for all practical purposes, completely ignorant. the vid I posted tell all anyone needs to know about the cult. Lemme see if I got this straight... Something like 35 million written and spoken words, but all anyone needs to know about the subject is a couple hundred of them (less than .0001% - taken out of context) plus a South Park episode?

Seamonster Joined Mon 11/03/08 Posts: 902	Sat 12/06/08 08:28 PM
Scientology is a body of beliefs and related practices created by American science fiction author L. Ron Hubbard.[1] Hubbard developed Scientology teachings in 1952 as a successor to his earlier self-help system, Dianetics.[2] Hubbard later characterized Scientology as an "applied religious philosophy" and the basis for a new religion with the first Scientology church being established in New Jersey, December 1953.[3][4][5] A commonly held belief among Scientologists is that psychiatry and psychology are destructive and abusive fields, which must be abolished.[6][7] Scientology advocates that people are immortal spiritual beings (or thetans) which have lived many lifetimes. Scientologists believe that the primary purpose of existence is survival.[8] One controversial aspect of Scientology beliefs is the idea that thetans lived among extraterrestrial cultures before becoming trapped in bodies on Earth.[9] It is believed that thetans were brainwashed by these extraterrestrial cultures as a means of population control. The belief of extraterrestrial origins is not taught to new members, but is only presented after members have advanced through the ranks of Scientology. There are a large number of organizations overseeing the application of Scientology, many of which are separate legal entities.[10] These organizations have remained highly controversial since their inception. Most notable of these organizations is the Church of Scientology, whose primary concern is to uphold the belief system of Scientology. Former members, journalists, courts, and authorities in multiple countries have described Scientology as a cult [11][12][13][14][15][16] and an unscrupulous commercial enterprise. Critics claim that the organization has a history of harassing its critics and abusing the trust of its members.[14][16][17][18][15][19] Time Magazine describes Scientology as "a hugely profitable global racket that survives by intimidating members and critics in a Mafia-like manner." [14] Scientology has consistently litigated most actions which it has perceived to be threatening. One major litigation point is that of copyright infringement.[20][21] The Church of Scientology upholds the notion that individuals can discover for themselves whether Scientology works through personal observation and experience rather than blind faith.[citation needed] The Church promotes a type of counseling called "auditing" as a means of spiritual rehabilitation.[3] Scientology runs several promotion campaigns through closely related organizations[10][22] in the form of a set of moral standards, an anti-drug program, an education methodology, a volunteer organization and a business management method. Do you believe in this crap? I believe some of it. Some of it I know for a fact to be true. Most of it is, as you say, crap, just like most biased, vitrolic attacks on anything of which the attackers are, for all practical purposes, completely ignorant. the vid I posted tell all anyone needs to know about the cult. Lemme see if I got this straight... Something like 35 million written and spoken words, but all anyone needs to know about the subject is a couple hundred of them (less than .0001% - taken out of context) plus a South Park episode? yes

SkyHook5652 Joined Sat 08/23/08 Posts: 4063	Sat 12/06/08 08:31 PM
Scientology is a body of beliefs and related practices created by American science fiction author L. Ron Hubbard.[1] Hubbard developed Scientology teachings in 1952 as a successor to his earlier self-help system, Dianetics.[2] Hubbard later characterized Scientology as an "applied religious philosophy" and the basis for a new religion with the first Scientology church being established in New Jersey, December 1953.[3][4][5] A commonly held belief among Scientologists is that psychiatry and psychology are destructive and abusive fields, which must be abolished.[6][7] Scientology advocates that people are immortal spiritual beings (or thetans) which have lived many lifetimes. Scientologists believe that the primary purpose of existence is survival.[8] One controversial aspect of Scientology beliefs is the idea that thetans lived among extraterrestrial cultures before becoming trapped in bodies on Earth.[9] It is believed that thetans were brainwashed by these extraterrestrial cultures as a means of population control. The belief of extraterrestrial origins is not taught to new members, but is only presented after members have advanced through the ranks of Scientology. There are a large number of organizations overseeing the application of Scientology, many of which are separate legal entities.[10] These organizations have remained highly controversial since their inception. Most notable of these organizations is the Church of Scientology, whose primary concern is to uphold the belief system of Scientology. Former members, journalists, courts, and authorities in multiple countries have described Scientology as a cult [11][12][13][14][15][16] and an unscrupulous commercial enterprise. Critics claim that the organization has a history of harassing its critics and abusing the trust of its members.[14][16][17][18][15][19] Time Magazine describes Scientology as "a hugely profitable global racket that survives by intimidating members and critics in a Mafia-like manner." [14] Scientology has consistently litigated most actions which it has perceived to be threatening. One major litigation point is that of copyright infringement.[20][21] The Church of Scientology upholds the notion that individuals can discover for themselves whether Scientology works through personal observation and experience rather than blind faith.[citation needed] The Church promotes a type of counseling called "auditing" as a means of spiritual rehabilitation.[3] Scientology runs several promotion campaigns through closely related organizations[10][22] in the form of a set of moral standards, an anti-drug program, an education methodology, a volunteer organization and a business management method. Do you believe in this crap? I believe some of it. Some of it I know for a fact to be true. Most of it is, as you say, crap, just like most biased, vitrolic attacks on anything of which the attackers are, for all practical purposes, completely ignorant. the vid I posted tell all anyone needs to know about the cult. Lemme see if I got this straight... Something like 35 million written and spoken words, but all anyone needs to know about the subject is a couple hundred of them (less than .0001% - taken out of context) plus a South Park episode? yes Well, I guess I can understand that you might not need anything more, but there are other people who do.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Sat 12/06/08 08:55 PM Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 12/06/08 09:10 PM
A commonly held belief among Scientologists is that psychiatry and psychology are destructive and abusive fields, which must be abolished. I agree. They don't know what they are doing basically. They know enough to be dangerous, only scratching the surface of the human consciousness, and do too much prescribing of harmful mind altering drugs. Scientology advocates that people are immortal spiritual beings (or thetans) which have lived many lifetimes. Well this is certainly true. Yes I agree. Scientologists believe that the primary purpose of existence is survival. "Survival" is a motivating purpose. But the primary purpose of existence is to exist, and the naturally means to survive. So yes, I would have to agree. One controversial aspect of Scientology beliefs is the idea that thetans lived among extraterrestrial cultures before becoming trapped in bodies on Earth. I know I probably did. This earth reality is not the only game in town ya know. It is believed that thetans were brainwashed by these extraterrestrial cultures as a means of population control. I don't know why they would be concerned with population control. In an infinite universe, population control would not be a problem. Perhaps thetans are brainwashed the same reason humans are, to manipulate them and keep them under control...out of fear. The belief of extraterrestrial origins is not taught to new members, but is only presented after members have advanced through the ranks of Scientology. They probably like to save the shocking stuff for people who can believe it. (Most people can't handle the idea that humans are not the only intelligent life forms in this universe.) They say the wilder the story, the easier it is to get people to believe it. I wonder why that is? I sometimes wonder how people can believe the stuff in the Bible. There are a large number of organizations overseeing the application of Scientology, many of which are separate legal entities.[10] These organizations have remained highly controversial since their inception. Being "highly controversial" only means that someone is bothered by them and wants to make a stink. Most notable of these organizations is the Church of Scientology, whose primary concern is to uphold the belief system of Scientology. Former members, journalists, courts, and authorities in multiple countries have described Scientology as a cult and an unscrupulous commercial enterprise. All new religions are described as "cults" so that is no surprise, and they are all unscrupulous commercial enterprises. Critics claim that the organization has a history of harassing its critics and abusing the trust of its members. Time Magazine describes Scientology as "a hugely profitable global racket that survives by intimidating members and critics in a Mafia-like manner." Scientology has consistently litigated most actions which it has perceived to be threatening. One major litigation point is that of copyright infringement. Survives by intimidating members and critics? Have they resorted to chopping of people's hands and feet if they can't convert them or telling them to convert or die like early Christians did? The Church of Scientology upholds the notion that individuals can discover for themselves whether Scientology works through personal observation and experience rather than blind faith.[citation needed] The Church promotes a type of counseling called "auditing" as a means of spiritual rehabilitation.[3] Scientology runs several promotion campaigns through closely related organizations[10][22] in the form of a set of moral standards, an anti-drug program, an education methodology, a volunteer organization and a business management method. Do you believe in this crap? Crap? What's crap? It does not sound much different from other religions. I personally am an individual. I don't affiliate with any religion at all. jb But I believe in aliens.

Seamonster Joined Mon 11/03/08 Posts: 902	Sat 12/06/08 09:00 PM
Scientology is a body of beliefs and related practices created by American science fiction author L. Ron Hubbard.[1] Hubbard developed Scientology teachings in 1952 as a successor to his earlier self-help system, Dianetics.[2] Hubbard later characterized Scientology as an "applied religious philosophy" and the basis for a new religion with the first Scientology church being established in New Jersey, December 1953.[3][4][5] A commonly held belief among Scientologists is that psychiatry and psychology are destructive and abusive fields, which must be abolished.[6][7] Scientology advocates that people are immortal spiritual beings (or thetans) which have lived many lifetimes. Scientologists believe that the primary purpose of existence is survival.[8] One controversial aspect of Scientology beliefs is the idea that thetans lived among extraterrestrial cultures before becoming trapped in bodies on Earth.[9] It is believed that thetans were brainwashed by these extraterrestrial cultures as a means of population control. The belief of extraterrestrial origins is not taught to new members, but is only presented after members have advanced through the ranks of Scientology. There are a large number of organizations overseeing the application of Scientology, many of which are separate legal entities.[10] These organizations have remained highly controversial since their inception. Most notable of these organizations is the Church of Scientology, whose primary concern is to uphold the belief system of Scientology. Former members, journalists, courts, and authorities in multiple countries have described Scientology as a cult [11][12][13][14][15][16] and an unscrupulous commercial enterprise. Critics claim that the organization has a history of harassing its critics and abusing the trust of its members.[14][16][17][18][15][19] Time Magazine describes Scientology as "a hugely profitable global racket that survives by intimidating members and critics in a Mafia-like manner." [14] Scientology has consistently litigated most actions which it has perceived to be threatening. One major litigation point is that of copyright infringement.[20][21] The Church of Scientology upholds the notion that individuals can discover for themselves whether Scientology works through personal observation and experience rather than blind faith.[citation needed] The Church promotes a type of counseling called "auditing" as a means of spiritual rehabilitation.[3] Scientology runs several promotion campaigns through closely related organizations[10][22] in the form of a set of moral standards, an anti-drug program, an education methodology, a volunteer organization and a business management method. Do you believe in this crap? I believe some of it. Some of it I know for a fact to be true. Most of it is, as you say, crap, just like most biased, vitrolic attacks on anything of which the attackers are, for all practical purposes, completely ignorant. the vid I posted tell all anyone needs to know about the cult. Lemme see if I got this straight... Something like 35 million written and spoken words, but all anyone needs to know about the subject is a couple hundred of them (less than .0001% - taken out of context) plus a South Park episode? yes Well, I guess I can understand that you might not need anything more, but there are other people who do. did you watch the vid or just makeing assumptions? It is L.Ron himself.

Bushidobillyclub Joined Fri 05/11/07 Posts: 5689	Sat 12/06/08 11:21 PM
Scientology is a body of beliefs and related practices created by American science fiction author L. Ron Hubbard.[1] Hubbard developed Scientology teachings in 1952 as a successor to his earlier self-help system, Dianetics.[2] Hubbard later characterized Scientology as an "applied religious philosophy" and the basis for a new religion with the first Scientology church being established in New Jersey, December 1953.[3][4][5] A commonly held belief among Scientologists is that psychiatry and psychology are destructive and abusive fields, which must be abolished.[6][7] Scientology advocates that people are immortal spiritual beings (or thetans) which have lived many lifetimes. Scientologists believe that the primary purpose of existence is survival.[8] One controversial aspect of Scientology beliefs is the idea that thetans lived among extraterrestrial cultures before becoming trapped in bodies on Earth.[9] It is believed that thetans were brainwashed by these extraterrestrial cultures as a means of population control. The belief of extraterrestrial origins is not taught to new members, but is only presented after members have advanced through the ranks of Scientology. There are a large number of organizations overseeing the application of Scientology, many of which are separate legal entities.[10] These organizations have remained highly controversial since their inception. Most notable of these organizations is the Church of Scientology, whose primary concern is to uphold the belief system of Scientology. Former members, journalists, courts, and authorities in multiple countries have described Scientology as a cult [11][12][13][14][15][16] and an unscrupulous commercial enterprise. Critics claim that the organization has a history of harassing its critics and abusing the trust of its members.[14][16][17][18][15][19] Time Magazine describes Scientology as "a hugely profitable global racket that survives by intimidating members and critics in a Mafia-like manner." [14] Scientology has consistently litigated most actions which it has perceived to be threatening. One major litigation point is that of copyright infringement.[20][21] The Church of Scientology upholds the notion that individuals can discover for themselves whether Scientology works through personal observation and experience rather than blind faith.[citation needed] The Church promotes a type of counseling called "auditing" as a means of spiritual rehabilitation.[3] Scientology runs several promotion campaigns through closely related organizations[10][22] in the form of a set of moral standards, an anti-drug program, an education methodology, a volunteer organization and a business management method. Do you believe in this crap? I believe some of it. Some of it I know for a fact to be true. Most of it is, as you say, crap, just like most biased, vitrolic attacks on anything of which the attackers are, for all practical purposes, completely ignorant. the vid I posted tell all anyone needs to know about the cult. Lemme see if I got this straight... Something like 35 million written and spoken words, but all anyone needs to know about the subject is a couple hundred of them (less than .0001% - taken out of context) plus a South Park episode? actually much less it can be summed up as crap

SkyHook5652 Joined Sat 08/23/08 Posts: 4063	Sat 12/06/08 11:45 PM Edited by SkyHook5652 on Sat 12/06/08 11:46 PM
Scientology is a body of beliefs and related practices created by American science fiction author L. Ron Hubbard.[1] Hubbard developed Scientology teachings in 1952 as a successor to his earlier self-help system, Dianetics.[2] Hubbard later characterized Scientology as an "applied religious philosophy" and the basis for a new religion with the first Scientology church being established in New Jersey, December 1953.[3][4][5] A commonly held belief among Scientologists is that psychiatry and psychology are destructive and abusive fields, which must be abolished.[6][7] Scientology advocates that people are immortal spiritual beings (or thetans) which have lived many lifetimes. Scientologists believe that the primary purpose of existence is survival.[8] One controversial aspect of Scientology beliefs is the idea that thetans lived among extraterrestrial cultures before becoming trapped in bodies on Earth.[9] It is believed that thetans were brainwashed by these extraterrestrial cultures as a means of population control. The belief of extraterrestrial origins is not taught to new members, but is only presented after members have advanced through the ranks of Scientology. There are a large number of organizations overseeing the application of Scientology, many of which are separate legal entities.[10] These organizations have remained highly controversial since their inception. Most notable of these organizations is the Church of Scientology, whose primary concern is to uphold the belief system of Scientology. Former members, journalists, courts, and authorities in multiple countries have described Scientology as a cult [11][12][13][14][15][16] and an unscrupulous commercial enterprise. Critics claim that the organization has a history of harassing its critics and abusing the trust of its members.[14][16][17][18][15][19] Time Magazine describes Scientology as "a hugely profitable global racket that survives by intimidating members and critics in a Mafia-like manner." [14] Scientology has consistently litigated most actions which it has perceived to be threatening. One major litigation point is that of copyright infringement.[20][21] The Church of Scientology upholds the notion that individuals can discover for themselves whether Scientology works through personal observation and experience rather than blind faith.[citation needed] The Church promotes a type of counseling called "auditing" as a means of spiritual rehabilitation.[3] Scientology runs several promotion campaigns through closely related organizations[10][22] in the form of a set of moral standards, an anti-drug program, an education methodology, a volunteer organization and a business management method. Do you believe in this crap? I believe some of it. Some of it I know for a fact to be true. Most of it is, as you say, crap, just like most biased, vitrolic attacks on anything of which the attackers are, for all practical purposes, completely ignorant. the vid I posted tell all anyone needs to know about the cult. Lemme see if I got this straight... Something like 35 million written and spoken words, but all anyone needs to know about the subject is a couple hundred of them (less than .0001% - taken out of context) plus a South Park episode? yes Well, I guess I can understand that you might not need anything more, but there are other people who do. did you watch the vid or just makeing assumptions? It is L.Ron himself. Yes I watched the vid. I've also read quite a bit. And comparing what that vid said with what I've read, I think the vid makes assumptions. So have you actually read any Scientology or are you making assumptions?

SkyHook5652 Joined Sat 08/23/08 Posts: 4063	Sat 12/06/08 11:50 PM
Scientology is a body of beliefs and related practices created by American science fiction author L. Ron Hubbard.[1] Hubbard developed Scientology teachings in 1952 as a successor to his earlier self-help system, Dianetics.[2] Hubbard later characterized Scientology as an "applied religious philosophy" and the basis for a new religion with the first Scientology church being established in New Jersey, December 1953.[3][4][5] A commonly held belief among Scientologists is that psychiatry and psychology are destructive and abusive fields, which must be abolished.[6][7] Scientology advocates that people are immortal spiritual beings (or thetans) which have lived many lifetimes. Scientologists believe that the primary purpose of existence is survival.[8] One controversial aspect of Scientology beliefs is the idea that thetans lived among extraterrestrial cultures before becoming trapped in bodies on Earth.[9] It is believed that thetans were brainwashed by these extraterrestrial cultures as a means of population control. The belief of extraterrestrial origins is not taught to new members, but is only presented after members have advanced through the ranks of Scientology. There are a large number of organizations overseeing the application of Scientology, many of which are separate legal entities.[10] These organizations have remained highly controversial since their inception. Most notable of these organizations is the Church of Scientology, whose primary concern is to uphold the belief system of Scientology. Former members, journalists, courts, and authorities in multiple countries have described Scientology as a cult [11][12][13][14][15][16] and an unscrupulous commercial enterprise. Critics claim that the organization has a history of harassing its critics and abusing the trust of its members.[14][16][17][18][15][19] Time Magazine describes Scientology as "a hugely profitable global racket that survives by intimidating members and critics in a Mafia-like manner." [14] Scientology has consistently litigated most actions which it has perceived to be threatening. One major litigation point is that of copyright infringement.[20][21] The Church of Scientology upholds the notion that individuals can discover for themselves whether Scientology works through personal observation and experience rather than blind faith.[citation needed] The Church promotes a type of counseling called "auditing" as a means of spiritual rehabilitation.[3] Scientology runs several promotion campaigns through closely related organizations[10][22] in the form of a set of moral standards, an anti-drug program, an education methodology, a volunteer organization and a business management method. Do you believe in this crap? I believe some of it. Some of it I know for a fact to be true. Most of it is, as you say, crap, just like most biased, vitrolic attacks on anything of which the attackers are, for all practical purposes, completely ignorant. the vid I posted tell all anyone needs to know about the cult. Lemme see if I got this straight... Something like 35 million written and spoken words, but all anyone needs to know about the subject is a couple hundred of them (less than .0001% - taken out of context) plus a South Park episode? actually much less it can be summed up as crap Yes, with enough prejudice and ignorance, pretty much anything could be summed up as crap. That is the nature of prejudice and ignorance.

Bushidobillyclub Joined Fri 05/11/07 Posts: 5689	Sun 12/07/08 12:00 AM Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Sun 12/07/08 12:01 AM
so your defending Zenu? Are you a Scientologist sky? Has that been the caveat the whole time?