Topic: Russian prof. predicts U.S. to disintegrate by 2010
warmachine's photo
Thu 01/01/09 07:23 AM
A Russian professor is predicting that the United States will disintegrate in 2010. CNN’s Matthew Chance reports.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yRzQz0KMyI&eurl=http://www.prisonplanet.com/russian-prof-predicts-us-to-disintegrate-by-2010.html&feature=player_embedded


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This is nothing new, for those of us who read.

Russian "Infowar" Analyst Says U.S. Will Break Apart
Author, professor predicts collapse of unified America due to terminal economic and political decline


Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008







A renowned Russian political analyst has repeated a prediction he made ten years ago that the economic and political turmoil in the U.S. will lead the country to collapse and divide into separate parts.

Igor Panarin, doctor of political sciences and professor of the Russian Diplomatic Academy Ministry of Foreign Affairs, repeated the prediction in an interview, published yesterday, with the widely read Russian daily Izvestia.

"The dollar is not secured by anything." Panarin commented.

"The country's foreign debt has grown like an avalanche, even though in the early 1980s there was no debt. By 1998, when I first made my prediction, it had exceeded $2 trillion. Now it is more than 11 trillion. This is a pyramid that can only collapse."

"It is already collapsing." He continued, "Due to the financial crisis, three of the largest and oldest five banks on Wall Street have already ceased to exist, and two are barely surviving. Their losses are the biggest in history. Now what we will see is a change in the regulatory system on a global financial scale: America will no longer be the world's financial regulator."

Panarin suggests that China or Russia, or a coalition between the two countries, would replace the U.S. as a new world market regulator.

He also stated that there is a move underway to replace the Dollar with "a common Amero currency as a new monetary unit", referring to the Security and Prosperity Partnership agreement between the U.S., Canada and Mexico.



Panarin is an expert in the theory and practice of information warfare and has authored nine books, including “Information War in Russia”, “Information War and Elections”, “Information War and Power”. His political essays are regularly published in various revered journals.

Citing intense political dissatisfaction due to lost savings, the rampant decline of industry, higher unemployment, higher prices, and "divisions among the elite", Panarin says he expects the U.S. to eventually break up into six separate parts


Along lines similar to those of 1865 during the Civil War, Panarin predicts the U.S. will split into the following territories:

The Pacific coast, with its growing Chinese population; the South, with its Hispanics; Texas, where independence movements are on the rise; the Atlantic coast, with its distinct and separate mentality; five of the poorer central states with their large Native American populations; and the northern states, where the influence from Canada is strong.

Panarin says that only the hope of some sort of miracle economic turn around under an Obama presidency is holding back such mass upheaval.

While the prediction may sound alarming to some, it is not so far fetched.

Article IV of the United States Constitution provides for the creation of new states of the Union, requiring that any such creation be approved by the legislature of the affected state(s), as well as the United States Congress.

In the past there have been many attempts and proposals for breakaways and secessions. Many contend that the U.S. will continue to evolve and change in this fashion.

Most recently, earlier this year, the state of Oklahoma drafted a resolution (PDF) claiming sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment, serving notice and demand to the federal government to cease and desist mandates beyond the scope of constitutionally delegated powers. While this may be a leap away from secession, the increasing dissatisfaction with the federal government's role in the economic crisis could see more of the same kind of activity becoming commonplace.

Addendum: A version of the RIA Novosti article linked above has appeared unsourced on the Drudge Report , minus the section concerning the move towards the Amero currency.

nogames39's photo
Thu 01/01/09 01:08 PM
You don't need to be proffessor to know simple truth that a forceful union can only exist as long as it is running the rest of the crowd.

You can find the same predictions from Edgar J. Steele. on
conspiracypenpal.com

Take a couple and marry them forcefully. Then make them a President and First lady. As long as they can rob others, they will like and tolerate the arrangement. Now put them in prison. See how long their union is going to last.

Most unions will only walk "through good" part.

Fanta46's photo
Thu 01/01/09 01:12 PM
Culture shock brings on the Pessimist.

warmachine's photo
Fri 01/02/09 06:55 AM
Where's the culture shock? Am I supposed to be any less critical of the ruling class, because Mr.Obama has big ears?

Pessimism... I think not, I have alot of hope that my fellow citizen takes 5 minutes to do their own research and come at me with more than small minded sound bite responses, that neither engage nor educate.

What this Russian is talking about is already happening, the Lakota Nation has already pulled out of the Treaties, citing numerous failures by the US government to abide by those treaties. The Lakota nation has already sent the paperwork to the UN, the exact same kind of paperwork that Georgia and the Ukraine have sent, to be recognized as a Soveriegn nation.


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Fri 01/02/09 06:56 AM
WASHINGTON (AFP) - The Lakota Indians, who gave the world legendary warriors Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse, have withdrawn from treaties with the United States, leaders said Wednesday.

"We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us," long-time Indian rights activist Russell Means told a han More..dful of reporters and a delegation from the Bolivian embassy, gathered in a church in a run-down neighborhood of Washington for a news conference.

A delegation of Lakota leaders delivered a message to the State Department on Monday, announcing they were unilaterally withdrawing from treaties they signed with the federal government of the United States, some of them more than 150 years old.

They also visited the Bolivian, Chilean, South African and Venezuelan embassies, and will continue on their diplomatic mission and take it overseas in the coming weeks and months, they told the news conference.

Lakota country includes parts of the states of Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming.

The new country would issue its own passports and driving licences, and living there would be tax-free -- provided residents renounce their US citizenship, Means said.

The treaties signed with the United States are merely "worthless words on worthless paper," the Lakota freedom activists say on their website.

The treaties have been "repeatedly violated in order to steal our culture, our land and our ability to maintain our way of life," the reborn freedom movement says.

Withdrawing from the treaties was entirely legal, Means said.

"This is according to the laws of the United States, specifically article six of the constitution," which states that treaties are the supreme law of the land, he said.

"It is also within the laws on treaties passed at the Vienna Convention and put into effect by the US and the rest of the international community in 1980. We are legally within our rights to be free and independent," said Means.

The Lakota relaunched their journey to freedom in 1974, when they drafted a declaration of continuing independence -- an overt play on the title of the United States' Declaration of Independence from England.

Thirty-three years have elapsed since then because "it takes critical mass to combat colonialism and we wanted to make sure that all our ducks were in a row," Means said.

One duck moved into place in September, when the United Nations adopted a non-binding declaration on the rights of indigenous peoples -- despite opposition from the United States, which said it clashed with its own laws.

"We have 33 treaties with the United States that they have not lived by. They continue to take our land, our water, our children," Phyllis Young, who helped organize the first international conference on indigenous rights in Geneva in 1977, told the news conference.

The US "annexation" of native American land has resulted in once proud tribes such as the Lakota becoming mere "facsimiles of white people," said Means.

Oppression at the hands of the US government has taken its toll on the Lakota, whose men have one of the shortest life expectancies -- less than 44 years -- in the world.

Lakota teen suicides are 150 percent above the norm for the United States; infant mortality is five times higher than the US average; and unemployment is rife, according to the Lakota freedom movement's website.

"Our people want to live, not just survive or crawl and be mascots," said Young.

"We are not trying to embarrass the United States. We are here to continue the struggle for our children and grandchildren," she said, predicting that the battle would not be won in her lifetime.

nogames39's photo
Fri 01/02/09 02:01 PM
I don't always understand Fanta.

What do you mean by "cultural shock"?

Redykeulous's photo
Fri 01/02/09 05:19 PM
Wow, wouldn't it be fitting, for Americans of today to follow ex-American Indians to freedom?

They had been far more oppressed than any American ever was and in an all out nation wide depression, they may finally find empathetic alies. One can only hope...

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Fri 01/02/09 07:22 PM

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Fri 01/02/09 10:11 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Fri 01/02/09 10:13 PM
You talk like this American Indian deal is something new War. Its not!
You talk like the Russians predicting the downfall of America as something new. Its not!
You are playing right into the mindset of Paranoia that others have been falling into for years! Listening to Ron Paul and others will do that to you!
America is far from anything Paul, the Russians, or your lack of hard times experience leads you to believe.
America has seen worse economic times than these in my lifetime and even worse before my time. We have survived it all despite the predictions of doom cried from the heights by others just like Paul, the Russians, and you!
Give yourself a valium and take a shot of Tequilla!
Give yourself a reality check!

warmachine's photo
Sat 01/03/09 07:33 AM

You talk like this American Indian deal is something new War. Its not!
You talk like the Russians predicting the downfall of America as something new. Its not!
You are playing right into the mindset of Paranoia that others have been falling into for years! Listening to Ron Paul and others will do that to you!
America is far from anything Paul, the Russians, or your lack of hard times experience leads you to believe.
America has seen worse economic times than these in my lifetime and even worse before my time. We have survived it all despite the predictions of doom cried from the heights by others just like Paul, the Russians, and you!
Give yourself a valium and take a shot of Tequilla!
Give yourself a reality check!


Where have I said that its something new? In fact, I made it a point of saying that for those of us who read it's nothing new.

I don't play paranoia, I play what can be proven, Unanswered 9/11 questions, the USS Liberty, the Gulf of Tonkin, Lies leading to the current mess we're in, GMO food and so on.

Dr. Paul is also far from a paranoid person, it seems odd to me that he's right on target about so many things and yet, he's treated like the crazy uncle at Thanksgiving dinner.

We might have survived, my friend, but at what cost? Civil Liberties are under attack, despite a war on terror we can't control our own border, Our Constitution is treated like something fun to read, but never followed unless it suits someones personal political agendas.

I have gotten my reality check along time ago and I continue to get them when people like Dr. Paul show what a little intellectualism can do.


Fanta46's photo
Sat 01/03/09 09:39 AM


You talk like this American Indian deal is something new War. Its not!
You talk like the Russians predicting the downfall of America as something new. Its not!
You are playing right into the mindset of Paranoia that others have been falling into for years! Listening to Ron Paul and others will do that to you!
America is far from anything Paul, the Russians, or your lack of hard times experience leads you to believe.
America has seen worse economic times than these in my lifetime and even worse before my time. We have survived it all despite the predictions of doom cried from the heights by others just like Paul, the Russians, and you!
Give yourself a valium and take a shot of Tequilla!
Give yourself a reality check!


Where have I said that its something new? In fact, I made it a point of saying that for those of us who read it's nothing new.

I don't play paranoia, I play what can be proven, Unanswered 9/11 questions, the USS Liberty, the Gulf of Tonkin, Lies leading to the current mess we're in, GMO food and so on.

Dr. Paul is also far from a paranoid person, it seems odd to me that he's right on target about so many things and yet, he's treated like the crazy uncle at Thanksgiving dinner.

We might have survived, my friend, but at what cost? Civil Liberties are under attack, despite a war on terror we can't control our own border, Our Constitution is treated like something fun to read, but never followed unless it suits someones personal political agendas.

I have gotten my reality check along time ago and I continue to get them when people like Dr. Paul show what a little intellectualism can do.




Have hope my friend!
Americans are the most adaptable people in the world.
We will recover from the Bush era!

warmachine's photo
Sat 01/03/09 09:44 AM
To me it's not just the "Bush" era. We've been taking over by Globalists who don't want to see a prosperous American citizenry.

nogames39's photo
Sat 01/03/09 04:42 PM
He can not see this. The best I can do for him is to sit and wait,
till he is disgusted with Obama the same way I was disgusted with Bush. Been there, done that.

He thinks it has anything to do with Americans being the most adaptable people in the world. Was there ever a contest?