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Wed 01/28/09 03:48 AM
Edited by MorningSong on Wed 01/28/09 04:17 AM
Question: "Why did Jesus have to die?"

Answer: When we ask a question such as this, we must be careful that we are not calling God into question.

To wonder why God couldn’t find “another way” to do something is to imply that the way He has chosen is not the best course of action and that some other method would be better.

Usually what we perceive as a “better” method is one that seems right to us.

Before we can come to grips with anything God does, we have to first acknowledge that His ways are not our ways,

His thoughts are not our thoughts—they are higher than ours (Isaiah 55:8).

In addition, Deuteronomy 32:4 reminds us that

“He is the Rock, his works are perfect, and all his ways are just.

A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is he.”

Therefore, the plan of salvation He has designed is perfect, just, and upright,

and no one could have come up with anything better.

The Scripture says, “For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received:

that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures,

that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures”

(1 Corinthians 15:3-4).

Evidence affirms that the sinless Jesus bled and died on a cross.

Most importantly, the Bible explains why Jesus’ death and resurrection provide the only entrance to heaven.

The punishment for sin is death.

God created earth and man perfect. But when Adam and Eve disobeyed God’s commands, He had to punish them.

A judge who pardons law-breakers isn’t a righteous judge. Likewise, overlooking sin would make the holy God unjust.

Death is God’s just consequence for sin. “For the wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23).

Even good works cannot make up for wrongs against the holy God. Compared to His goodness, “All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags” (Isaiah 64:6b).

Ever since Adam’s sin, every human has been guilty of disobeying God’s righteous laws.

“For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23).

Sin is not just big things like murder or blasphemy, but also includes love of money, hatred of enemies, and deceit of tongue and pride.

Because of sin, everyone has deserved death – eternal separation from God in hell.

The promise required an innocent death.

Although God banished Adam and Eve from the garden,

He didn’t leave them without hope of heaven.

He promised He would send a sinless Sacrifice to take the punishment they deserved (Genesis 3:15).

Until then, men would sacrifice innocent lambs, showing their repentance from sin and faith in the future Sacrifice from God who would bear their penalty.

God reaffirmed His promise of the Sacrifice with men such as Abraham and Moses.

Herein lies the beauty of God’s perfect plan: God Himself provided the only sacrifice (Jesus) who could atone for the sins of His people.

God’s perfect Son fulfilled God’s perfect requirement of God’s perfect law. It is perfectly brilliant in its simplicity.

“God made Him (Christ), who knew no sin,
to be sin for us that we might become the righteousness of God in Him” (2 Corinthians 5:21).

The prophets foretold Jesus’ death.

From Adam to Jesus, God sent prophets to mankind,

warning them of sin’s punishment and foretelling the coming Messiah. One prophet, Isaiah, described Him:

“Who has believed what they heard from us?
And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?

For he grew up before him like a young plant,
and like a root out of dry ground;

he had no form or majesty that we should look at him,
and no beauty that we should desire him.

He was despised and rejected by men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief;

and as one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows;

yet we esteemed him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted.

But he was wounded for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities;

upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his stripes we are healed.

All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way;

and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all.

He was oppressed, and he was afflicted,
yet he opened not his mouth; like a lamb that is led to the slaughter,

and like a sheep that before its shearers is silent, so he opened not his mouth.

By oppression and judgment he was taken away;

and as for his generation, who considered that he was cut off out of the land of the living,
stricken for the transgression of my people?

And they made his grave with the wicked and with a rich man in his death,

although he had done no violence, and there was no deceit in his mouth.

Yet it was the will of the LORD to crush him; he has put him to grief;

when his soul makes an offering for sin, he shall see his offspring;

he shall prolong his days; the will of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

Out of the anguish of his soul he shall see and be satisfied;

by his knowledge shall the righteous one, my servant, make many to be accounted righteous,

and he shall bear their iniquities.

Therefore I will divide him a portion with the many, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong,

because he poured out his soul to death and was numbered with the transgressors;

yet he bore the sin of many, and makes intercession for the transgressors” (Isaiah 53:1-12).

He likened the coming Sacrifice to a lamb, slaughtered for the sins of others.

Hundreds of years later,
Isaiah’s prophecy was fulfilled in the perfect Lord Jesus, born of the virgin Mary.

When the prophet John the Baptist saw Him, he cried,

"Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!” (John 1:29).

Crowds thronged Him for healing and teaching, but the religious leaders scorned Him.

Mobs cried out, “Crucify Him!” Soldiers beat, mocked, and crucified Him.

As Isaiah foretold, Jesus was crucified in between two criminals but was buried in a rich man’s tomb.

But He didn’t remain in the grave.

Because God accepted His Lamb’s sacrifice,

He fulfilled another prophecy by raising Jesus from the dead (Psalm 16:10; Isaiah 26:19).

Why did Jesus have to die?

Remember, the holy God cannot let sin go unpunished.

To bear our own sins would be to suffer God’s judgment in the flames of hell.

Praise God, He kept His promise to send and sacrifice the perfect Lamb to bear the sins of those who trust in Him.

Jesus had to die because He is the only one who can pay the penalty for our sins.


http://www.gotquestions.org/why-Jesus-die.html

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Wed 01/28/09 04:31 AM



blessings MS.


flowerforyou

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Wed 01/28/09 04:38 AM
Makes perfect sense to me MS.

I thank God every night and everyday for coming into my life.bigsmile

Thank you for posting.flowerforyou

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Wed 01/28/09 07:10 AM
Edited by boo2u on Wed 01/28/09 07:12 AM
Question: "Why did Jesus have to die?"

Answer: When we ask a question such as this, we must be careful that we are not calling God into question.

To wonder why God couldn’t find “another way” to do something is to imply that the way He has chosen is not the best course of action and that some other method would be better.

Usually what we perceive as a “better” method is one that seems right to us.

Before we can come to grips with anything God does, we have to first acknowledge that His ways are not our ways,

His thoughts are not our thoughts—they are higher than ours (Isaiah 55:8).


Reminder of the day:

Be sure you don't ever ever question me!!. After all you are nothing but what I have created you to be; machines designed to keep me amused, that need constant maintenance and always will, so don't question me ever just because I gave you the 'limited' will to do so. Remember I created you to please me and me only, and unless you get with it and start pleasing me, you will find out what a ruthless pr$ck I can really be... That is if you haven't figured that out already.

Oh and by the way, you can't prove that I ever said any of this..

Sincerely or maybe Not (depends on my mood),

God

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Wed 01/28/09 09:11 AM
Why did Yahshua have to die? Are you saying even if he would of been accepted and the people would of changed he still would of had to of died for our sins? Did not Yahshua forgive sins while he was alive? Blessings...Miles

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Wed 01/28/09 11:20 AM
Edited by Abracadabra on Wed 01/28/09 11:21 AM

Question: "Why did Jesus have to die?"

Answer: When we ask a question such as this, we must be careful that we are not calling God into question.

To wonder why God couldn’t find “another way” to do something is to imply that the way He has chosen is not the best course of action and that some other method would be better.

Usually what we perceive as a “better” method is one that seems right to us.

Before we can come to grips with anything God does, we have to first acknowledge that His ways are not our ways,

His thoughts are not our thoughts—they are higher than ours (Isaiah 55:8).


Reminder of the day:

Be sure you don't ever ever question me!!. After all you are nothing but what I have created you to be; machines designed to keep me amused, that need constant maintenance and always will, so don't question me ever just because I gave you the 'limited' will to do so. Remember I created you to please me and me only, and unless you get with it and start pleasing me, you will find out what a ruthless pr$ck I can really be... That is if you haven't figured that out already.

Oh and by the way, you can't prove that I ever said any of this..

Sincerely or maybe Not (depends on my mood),

God



Truly.

The Biblical picture of God is so demented that even Christians agree that it makes no sense in terms wisdom, compassion, and reasoning.

God would need to be totally unreasonable and unwise by human standards.

But if that's true, then why should we as humans claim that this is a wise and reasonable picture of God?

He we have the Christians themselves confessing that the biblical picture of God is unreasonable in human terms.

So why believe it's the word of God then? huh

We'd have to believe that God is unreasonable in human terms, and that he does things that humans deem to be immoral and uncompassionate.

But if God has a different idea of what constitutes compassion than we do, then how can we say that God is compassionate in terms of what WE MEAN when we use that term? :huh

Clearly the Christians are just saying that God is not compassionate in human terms, and that is is totally unreasonable in human terms.

So they confess to worshiping and uncompssionate and unresonable God.

But why should we believe that God is like that? Just because some ancient culture claimed that he is?

We've rejected Greek Mythology because it was unreasonable without any problem.

So why cling to an unreasonble mythology from the Middle East now?

As humans we sould reject unreasonable mythologies as being unreasonable.

Yet here we have a Christian trying to tell us that we should not question the unreasonable nature of this mythology.

Why not?

So we can believe that we have all fallen from grace from God and that he had to have his only begotten son nailed to a pole to pay for our gross rebellious nature?

Excuse me, but I have never felt as though I have rebelled against my creator, not do I feel that I have ever done anything that would warrant my creator having to have his son nailed to a pole for my sake.

So why should I believe in this utterly absurd story? huh

I don't feel unworthy of my creator. Why should I believe in a story that claims that I am? huh

Besides, there are far better picture of God availible!

Pantheism is a Beautiful picture of god.

In patheism there are no losers. God doesn't lose, humans don't lose, and no one needs to be nailed to any poles.

Pantheism is a reasonable picture of a God that is truly compassionate and all-loving in every way. Every soul ever created returns to God. And there is fallen boogieman to haunt you in the night.

So it's not like we either need to beleive in the horror stories of the Bible or become atheists.

That's a false few that many Christians have fallen for.

There are pictures of God that are truly divine.

There is nothign divine about the biblical stories. Every solution in the Bible is based on violence and threats!

What kind of a God would use violence and threats to solve all his problems?

Oh wait!

I know!

And unreasonable uncompassionate God!

Yep, we shoudln't question the Bible, just believe that the the male chauvinist pigs who wrote it were inspired by God!

Believe that God told them to murder heathens, their wives and children and even mass murder everyone in the villages from whence they came!

That's what the Bible claims God is like!

And keep in mind here that a 'heathen' it nothing more than anyone who refuses to believe that the Bible is the word of God!

Yeah right. ohwell

Anyone who can't see that this was a brainwashing scheme of men who used fear tatics and threats to keep people in line must be truly blind.

But that fits in perfectly with Christianity becuase they require that you have BLIND FAITH!

DON'T ASK QUESTIONS! Just fall to your knees and beg for forgiveness because we all know that you are unworthy of the love of your creator!

And everyone who doesn't believe that this horror story is the word of God will be sent to HELL! :angry:

We don't care HOW NICE YOU ARE!

Nice people who refuse to believe that the Bible is the word of God deserve to go to HELL! :angry:

We've been BRAINWASHED to believe that this somehow makes sense! Or that God is nonsensical! ohwell

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Wed 01/28/09 01:19 PM
Edited by Krimsa on Wed 01/28/09 01:20 PM
When we ask a question such as this, we must be careful that we are not calling God into question.


Why am I not allowed to question god? I have a lot of questions for god. Why can’t I ask them? Will he spit flames at me? Will he be pissed? I don’t care.

If Jesus had not been nailed to a pole you would not have any road to salvation today and no Christian faith. You should be thanking the Romans.

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Wed 01/28/09 01:51 PM
Edited by smiless on Wed 01/28/09 01:54 PM
Jesus didn't have to die, but the Jewish faith system and the Roman Emperor didn't like the threat of a new religion and persay God to interfere with their affairs.

Jesus was trying to teach compassion and a different idealogy on how to get along with each other.

He didn't fear to question the Torah, where it was forbidden to do this at its time.

He then showed a different way of how to live a life without destructing others in the process.

The Roman Emperor Constantine didn't like that Jesus got all the attention as he himself believed he was a God.

In the end jealousy, hatred, and fear had determined the outcome to Jesus and his followers.

Jesus was a humantarian who really tried to show a different way of life, but paid a great price that only ruined the true image of Christianity, which gotten inverted into a Satan Idealogies that allows to judge everyone who doesn't follow its laws.

If you absolutely seek compassion and peace then why not try Buddhism. It is a better alternative in the end if you give it a try.


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Wed 01/28/09 02:12 PM
Jesus didnt die for us, Yahushua did.

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Shalom Mishpacha!

:heart: Yamin :heart:

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Wed 01/28/09 02:33 PM
Oh, god, that is so confusing to me. laugh

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Wed 01/28/09 02:58 PM


Question: "Why did Jesus have to die?"

Answer: When we ask a question such as this, we must be careful that we are not calling God into question.

To wonder why God couldn’t find “another way” to do something is to imply that the way He has chosen is not the best course of action and that some other method would be better.

Usually what we perceive as a “better” method is one that seems right to us.

Before we can come to grips with anything God does, we have to first acknowledge that His ways are not our ways,

His thoughts are not our thoughts—they are higher than ours (Isaiah 55:8).


Reminder of the day:

Be sure you don't ever ever question me!!. After all you are nothing but what I have created you to be; machines designed to keep me amused, that need constant maintenance and always will, so don't question me ever just because I gave you the 'limited' will to do so. Remember I created you to please me and me only, and unless you get with it and start pleasing me, you will find out what a ruthless pr$ck I can really be... That is if you haven't figured that out already.

Oh and by the way, you can't prove that I ever said any of this..

Sincerely or maybe Not (depends on my mood),

God



Truly.

The Biblical picture of God is so demented that even Christians agree that it makes no sense in terms wisdom, compassion, and reasoning.

God would need to be totally unreasonable and unwise by human standards.

But if that's true, then why should we as humans claim that this is a wise and reasonable picture of God?

He we have the Christians themselves confessing that the biblical picture of God is unreasonable in human terms.

So why believe it's the word of God then? huh

We'd have to believe that God is unreasonable in human terms, and that he does things that humans deem to be immoral and uncompassionate.

But if God has a different idea of what constitutes compassion than we do, then how can we say that God is compassionate in terms of what WE MEAN when we use that term? :huh

Clearly the Christians are just saying that God is not compassionate in human terms, and that is is totally unreasonable in human terms.

So they confess to worshiping and uncompssionate and unresonable God.

But why should we believe that God is like that? Just because some ancient culture claimed that he is?

We've rejected Greek Mythology because it was unreasonable without any problem.

So why cling to an unreasonble mythology from the Middle East now?

As humans we sould reject unreasonable mythologies as being unreasonable.

Yet here we have a Christian trying to tell us that we should not question the unreasonable nature of this mythology.

Why not?

So we can believe that we have all fallen from grace from God and that he had to have his only begotten son nailed to a pole to pay for our gross rebellious nature?

Excuse me, but I have never felt as though I have rebelled against my creator, not do I feel that I have ever done anything that would warrant my creator having to have his son nailed to a pole for my sake.

So why should I believe in this utterly absurd story? huh

I don't feel unworthy of my creator. Why should I believe in a story that claims that I am? huh

Besides, there are far better picture of God availible!

Pantheism is a Beautiful picture of god.

In patheism there are no losers. God doesn't lose, humans don't lose, and no one needs to be nailed to any poles.

Pantheism is a reasonable picture of a God that is truly compassionate and all-loving in every way. Every soul ever created returns to God. And there is fallen boogieman to haunt you in the night.

So it's not like we either need to beleive in the horror stories of the Bible or become atheists.

That's a false few that many Christians have fallen for.

There are pictures of God that are truly divine.

There is nothign divine about the biblical stories. Every solution in the Bible is based on violence and threats!

What kind of a God would use violence and threats to solve all his problems?

Oh wait!

I know!

And unreasonable uncompassionate God!

Yep, we shoudln't question the Bible, just believe that the the male chauvinist pigs who wrote it were inspired by God!

Believe that God told them to murder heathens, their wives and children and even mass murder everyone in the villages from whence they came!

That's what the Bible claims God is like!

And keep in mind here that a 'heathen' it nothing more than anyone who refuses to believe that the Bible is the word of God!

Yeah right. ohwell

Anyone who can't see that this was a brainwashing scheme of men who used fear tatics and threats to keep people in line must be truly blind.

But that fits in perfectly with Christianity becuase they require that you have BLIND FAITH!

DON'T ASK QUESTIONS! Just fall to your knees and beg for forgiveness because we all know that you are unworthy of the love of your creator!

And everyone who doesn't believe that this horror story is the word of God will be sent to HELL! :angry:

We don't care HOW NICE YOU ARE!

Nice people who refuse to believe that the Bible is the word of God deserve to go to HELL! :angry:

We've been BRAINWASHED to believe that this somehow makes sense! Or that God is nonsensical! ohwell

Perfect responses, Question everything, or continue to be sheep.

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Wed 01/28/09 03:11 PM
Morning having free will means we(humans) are entitled and expected to question things. This means questioning everything including "God". Dismissing the question on the basis that it would mean questioning somebody who knows better than us and make them angry is utter nonsense. If the said being or diety really does know better then us they have a responsibilty to be able to at least explain things as well as themselves. If you don't want to be questioned common sense dictates that you don't give a species free will. noway

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Wed 01/28/09 04:41 PM

Morning having free will means we(humans) are entitled and expected to question things. This means questioning everything including "God". Dismissing the question on the basis that it would mean questioning somebody who knows better than us and make them angry is utter nonsense. If the said being or diety really does know better then us they have a responsibilty to be able to at least explain things as well as themselves. If you don't want to be questioned common sense dictates that you don't give a species free will. noway


Or a brain! :wink:

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Wed 01/28/09 04:46 PM
In most Xian theology which borders on the orthodox, Jesus died for your sins, you individually were the cause for his death and you individually can therefore have a personal relationship with him, versus Adonai who would burn you to a crisp if you tried to be close to him. At least that is the way I understand it, but I also never fully recovered from a massive brain injury.

Krimsa's photo
Wed 01/28/09 04:53 PM
Like the great and powerful Wizard of Oz, nobody can see God and live. Not nobody. Not Nohow.

Exodus 19

19:21 And the LORD said unto Moses, Go down, charge the people, lest they break through unto the LORD to gaze, and many of them perish.


laugh happy :tongue:

TBRich's photo
Wed 01/28/09 04:54 PM
Don't pay attention to that man behind the curtain

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Wed 01/28/09 06:31 PM
Edited by Milesoftheusa on Wed 01/28/09 06:32 PM

When we ask a question such as this, we must be careful that we are not calling God into question.


Why am I not allowed to question god? I have a lot of questions for god. Why can’t I ask them? Will he spit flames at me? Will he be pissed? I don’t care.

If Jesus had not been nailed to a pole you would not have any road to salvation today and no Christian faith. You should be thanking the Romans.


Krosma you have every right to question. Believer are suppose to be able to answer every question given to them. This is one of the ways believers show thier love for Yahweh. Blessings of Shalom...Miles

Krimsa's photo
Wed 01/28/09 06:43 PM
Well that’s nice of you Miles but I was referring more to god and why I should be afraid to question god himself.

Krimsa's photo
Wed 01/28/09 06:47 PM
Reminder of the day:

Be sure you don't ever ever question me!!. After all you are nothing but what I have created you to be; machines designed to keep me amused, that need constant maintenance and always will, so don't question me ever just because I gave you the 'limited' will to do so. Remember I created you to please me and me only, and unless you get with it and start pleasing me, you will find out what a ruthless pr$ck I can really be... That is if you haven't figured that out already.

Oh and by the way, you can't prove that I ever said any of this..

Sincerely or maybe Not (depends on my mood),

God



laugh laugh I didnt see this right away. Too funny!

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Wed 01/28/09 08:04 PM

When we ask a question such as this, we must be careful that we are not calling God into question.


Why am I not allowed to question god? I have a lot of questions for god. Why can’t I ask them? Will he spit flames at me? Will he be pissed? I don’t care.

If Jesus had not been nailed to a pole you would not have any road to salvation today and no Christian faith. You should be thanking the Romans.

You can ask GOD anything you want, anytime and any place you want Krimsa, He will not spit flames at you and will not be P!ssed,:wink: I hope you get the answers you seek as well.:wink: drinker

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