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 Know any chimps that can type on a keyboard ? Or talk? Or dress themselves? Or write? Or cook a grand dinner for two? Or reason? Or think? Know any? Even one? Just maybe..one?  Once upon a time I knew next to nothing about how evolution actually works. Get educated, this link has tons of info, both highly educational websites including universities, popular videos, as well as class room lectures. http://mingle2.com/topic/show/202703 Once you understand how evolution works it becomes clear there is no mechanism to prevent morphological changes that would alter a species enough to keep it from breeding back with its ancestor species. Once that happens then small changes add up due to the fact the genetic material can no longer be passed between these population, and thus the changes add up, the difference becomes greater and greater. Micro and macro evolution are the same thing, only on different time scales. Dear Billy .... Microevolution is KNOWN and Understood, and there is even PROOF that microevolution took place(this is Evolution WITHIN a species ONLY... and usually took place as a species had to ADAPT to its environment) . Now Macroevolution ..which Evolutionists are just SAYING that also took place ( evolution that transcends the boundaries of a single species.... and becomes a WHOLE OTHER species), is NOT true....it NEVER EVER HAPPENED...and there is NO PROOF whatsoever. NADA!!! MACRO EVOLUTION IS Just THEORY....NOT FACT, BILLY!!! But I don't mind you all sharing...please do...you can even call me ignorant if you want..  .... But I will also share with you the TRUTH of what God's Word says.... which is again.... "ALL things reproduce after its own KIND".... Now....God's Word Does NOT change....... therefore, God saying that "all things reproduce after its own kind" , does not change either........ and will never cahnge.... or else God would be ONE who does NOT keep His Word.... and therefore would be Nothing more than a big fat Liar. AND IF God is a Liar...and Hs WORD IS a Lie.... then the WHOLE of creation is in CHAOS ..and we are all DOOMED!!! BUT BILLY.... since Jesus thru His Holy Spirit , came to live in my heart, I KNOW God is NOT a Liar..and I KNOW God's WORD is TRUE !!!!  meaning.... what God said in His Word IS TRUE!!!! Meaning.... "All things reproduce after its own Kind" is ALSO TRUE...... But Billy, I ALSO Understand, that until man is born again, man will NOT see or understand what God's Word says....or even believe it.... I do understand.. Hey Morningsong, Just a thought. Your god, according to your book, is omnipotent and omniscient, COULDN'T HIS WORD EVOLVE!!! Isn't that conceivable??? Just a hint, 99,997% of all christians accept that god's word evolves, and accept evolution micro, macro and all!!! Well - those 99.997 % who accept that God's word evolves never read the text. It explicitly states that not one "jot or tittle" would change, and anyone wo adds or detracts from it brings eternal damnation on themselves. I think that if christains believe the word is evolving - hey need to check themselves on whether or not their a christian. For if they don't know Jesus - I doubt he knows them. Obviously some do not know the history of the bible and how it came to be what we have today if they believe it has not been edited and converted to fit certain agendas. Look it up or here I will help. http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(King_James) Old Testament Genesis | Exodus | Leviticus | Numbers | Deuteronomy | Joshua | Judges | Ruth | 1 Samuel 2 Samuel | 1 Kings | 2 Kings | 1 Chronicles | 2 Chronicles | Ezra | Nehemiah | Esther | Job Psalms | Proverbs | Ecclesiastes | Song of Solomon | Isaiah | Jeremiah | Lamentations | Ezekiel Daniel | Hosea | Joel | Amos | Obadiah | Jonah | Micah | Nahum | Habakkuk | Zephaniah | Haggai Zechariah | Malachi [edit] New Testament Matthew | Mark | Luke | John | Acts | Romans | 1 Corinthians | 2 Corinthians | Galatians | Ephesians | Philippians | Colossians 1 Thessalonians | 2 Thessalonians | 1 Timothy | 2 Timothy | Titus | Philemon | Hebrews | James | 1 Peter | 2 Peter | 1 John | 2 John | 3 John Jude | Revelation [edit] Deuterocanonical books The deuterocanonical books (meaning "second canon") are not recognized as part of the canon of the Bible in Protestantism, but are recognized as canonical by the Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church. They are also known as the Apocrypha. These books came from the Septuagint, the Greek version of the Old Testament used by early Christians and Jews. They were included in the first editions of the King James Bible, but were removed from some editions by reformers during the 16th century. By the mid-19th century, the deuterocanonical books were generally rejected by Protestant Christians. Judaism used the Septuagint until about the second century AD, but doesn't recognize either the deuterocanonical or New Testament books as part of their own canon, which is known as the Tanakh. Additions to Daniel Judith 1 Esdras 2 Esdras Additions to Esther Susanna 1 Maccabees 2 Maccabees Prayer of Manassheh Sirach Wisdom of Solomon Baruch (including the Epistle of Jeremiah) Tobit Bel [edit] Copyright The King James Version is also known as the Authorized Version. Note that in the United Kingdom, this work is still copyrighted and is subject to a eternal copyright term. Thou shalt obtain permissions to publish in England and Wales by following the guidance in A Brief Guide to Liturgical Copyright, third edition (RTF file). If thou wishest to publish in Scotland, thou shalt contact the Scottish Bible Board for permissions. This work is in the public domain outside the United Kingdom because the author has been deceased at least 100 years. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- However, this work is under an eternal copyright in the United Kingdom. Oh - I see, a game of semantics. This argument only holds true if I accept your premise that anyone who follows the text of the cannonized bible and whatever they wish to add to it, is a christain. But I seriously doubt that we agree on the premise of who is a chrstian and who isn't, so this discussion can't get past the main premise. Just list me in the percentage of christains that says that the bible does not evolve, and we'll leave it at that.
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Eljay the top model was created from her cranium. Did you not notice it was a bust?
 It was built up the same way it would have if it was a human skull of a missing person. The second was an artists painting. The one with the entire body.
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 Isn't Hollywood amaizing! So real, it's almost believable. Oh eljay, even you watched that video on Neanderthal man. You are perfectly aware that is an accurate depiction of them. At least you weren't arguing then. Yes, I know that - but don't forget, I work for Hollywood. I know what's going on in the shops behind closed doors. I just figured that this should be pretty obvious - tha fact that the fossils of Lucy were not even CLOSE to being intact. There's more imagination than reality to Lucy. |
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Eljay the top model was created from her cranium. Did you not notice it was a bust? It was built up the same way it would have if it was a human skull of a missing person. The second was an artists painting. The one with the entire body. Check out the model of Lucy in the St Louis Museum. You'll see what I'm refering to. |
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Oh - I see, a game of semantics. This argument only holds true if I accept your premise that anyone who follows the text of the cannonized bible and whatever they wish to add t it, is a christain. But I seriously doubt that we agree on the premise of who is a chrstian and who isn't, so this discussion can't get past the main premise. Just list me in the percentage of christains that says that the bible does not evolve, and we'll leave it at that. You have yet to even address that question on the atheists thread about what it means to be a "true Christian." I listed over 29 different definitions taken from the bible. There is clearly no consensus even amongst early Christians. |
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Eljay the top model was created from her cranium. Did you not notice it was a bust? It was built up the same way it would have if it was a human skull of a missing person. The second was an artists painting. The one with the entire body. Check out the model of Lucy in the St Louis Museum. You'll see what I'm refering to. Ive seen Lucy before. I have a book about her right here so I dont follow your excuses sorry. |
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Yes, I know that - but don't forget, I work for Hollywood. I know what's going on in the shops behind closed doors. I just figured that this should be pretty obvious - tha fact that the fossils of Lucy were not even CLOSE to being intact. There's more imagination than reality to Lucy. Elay! Lucy=3.2 million year old Australopithecus afarensis specimen Neanderthal=is an extinct member of the Homo genus that is known from Pleistocene specimens dating back about 600,000 years ago in Europe. Pay attention! |
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Know any chimps that can type on a keyboard ? Or talk? Or dress themselves? Or write? Or cook a grand dinner for two? Or reason? Or think? Know any? Even one? Just maybe..one? Once upon a time I knew next to nothing about how evolution actually works. Get educated, this link has tons of info, both highly educational websites including universities, popular videos, as well as class room lectures. http://mingle2.com/topic/show/202703 Once you understand how evolution works it becomes clear there is no mechanism to prevent morphological changes that would alter a species enough to keep it from breeding back with its ancestor species. Once that happens then small changes add up due to the fact the genetic material can no longer be passed between these population, and thus the changes add up, the difference becomes greater and greater. Micro and macro evolution are the same thing, only on different time scales. Dear Billy .... Microevolution is KNOWN and Understood, and there is even PROOF that microevolution took place(this is Evolution WITHIN a species ONLY... and usually took place as a species had to ADAPT to its environment) . Now Macroevolution ..which Evolutionists are just SAYING that also took place ( evolution that transcends the boundaries of a single species.... and becomes a WHOLE OTHER species), is NOT true....it NEVER EVER HAPPENED...and there is NO PROOF whatsoever. NADA!!! MACRO EVOLUTION IS Just THEORY....NOT FACT, BILLY!!! But I don't mind you all sharing...please do...you can even call me ignorant if you want.. .... But I will also share with you the TRUTH of what God's Word says.... which is again.... "ALL things reproduce after its own KIND".... Now....God's Word Does NOT change....... therefore, God saying that "all things reproduce after its own kind" , does not change either........ and will never cahnge.... or else God would be ONE who does NOT keep His Word.... and therefore would be Nothing more than a big fat Liar. AND IF God is a Liar...and Hs WORD IS a Lie.... then the WHOLE of creation is in CHAOS ..and we are all DOOMED!!! BUT BILLY.... since Jesus thru His Holy Spirit , came to live in my heart, I KNOW God is NOT a Liar..and I KNOW God's WORD is TRUE !!!! meaning.... what God said in His Word IS TRUE!!!! Meaning.... "All things reproduce after its own Kind" is ALSO TRUE...... But Billy, I ALSO Understand, that until man is born again, man will NOT see or understand what God's Word says....or even believe it.... I do understand.. Hey Morningsong, Just a thought. Your god, according to your book, is omnipotent and omniscient, COULDN'T HIS WORD EVOLVE!!! Isn't that conceivable??? Just a hint, 99,997% of all christians accept that god's word evolves, and accept evolution micro, macro and all!!! Well - those 99.997 % who accept that God's word evolves never read the text. It explicitly states that not one "jot or tittle" would change, and anyone wo adds or detracts from it brings eternal damnation on themselves. I think that if christains believe the word is evolving - hey need to check themselves on whether or not their a christian. For if they don't know Jesus - I doubt he knows them. Obviously some do not know the history of the bible and how it came to be what we have today if they believe it has not been edited and converted to fit certain agendas. Look it up or here I will help. http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(King_James) Old Testament Genesis | Exodus | Leviticus | Numbers | Deuteronomy | Joshua | Judges | Ruth | 1 Samuel 2 Samuel | 1 Kings | 2 Kings | 1 Chronicles | 2 Chronicles | Ezra | Nehemiah | Esther | Job Psalms | Proverbs | Ecclesiastes | Song of Solomon | Isaiah | Jeremiah | Lamentations | Ezekiel Daniel | Hosea | Joel | Amos | Obadiah | Jonah | Micah | Nahum | Habakkuk | Zephaniah | Haggai Zechariah | Malachi [edit] New Testament Matthew | Mark | Luke | John | Acts | Romans | 1 Corinthians | 2 Corinthians | Galatians | Ephesians | Philippians | Colossians 1 Thessalonians | 2 Thessalonians | 1 Timothy | 2 Timothy | Titus | Philemon | Hebrews | James | 1 Peter | 2 Peter | 1 John | 2 John | 3 John Jude | Revelation [edit] Deuterocanonical books The deuterocanonical books (meaning "second canon") are not recognized as part of the canon of the Bible in Protestantism, but are recognized as canonical by the Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church. They are also known as the Apocrypha. These books came from the Septuagint, the Greek version of the Old Testament used by early Christians and Jews. They were included in the first editions of the King James Bible, but were removed from some editions by reformers during the 16th century. By the mid-19th century, the deuterocanonical books were generally rejected by Protestant Christians. Judaism used the Septuagint until about the second century AD, but doesn't recognize either the deuterocanonical or New Testament books as part of their own canon, which is known as the Tanakh. Additions to Daniel Judith 1 Esdras 2 Esdras Additions to Esther Susanna 1 Maccabees 2 Maccabees Prayer of Manassheh Sirach Wisdom of Solomon Baruch (including the Epistle of Jeremiah) Tobit Bel [edit] Copyright The King James Version is also known as the Authorized Version. Note that in the United Kingdom, this work is still copyrighted and is subject to a eternal copyright term. Thou shalt obtain permissions to publish in England and Wales by following the guidance in A Brief Guide to Liturgical Copyright, third edition (RTF file). If thou wishest to publish in Scotland, thou shalt contact the Scottish Bible Board for permissions. This work is in the public domain outside the United Kingdom because the author has been deceased at least 100 years. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- However, this work is under an eternal copyright in the United Kingdom. Oh - I see, a game of semantics. This argument only holds true if I accept your premise that anyone who follows the text of the cannonized bible and whatever they wish to add t it, is a christain. But I seriously doubt that we agree on the premise of who is a chrstian and who isn't, so this discussion can't get past the main premise. Just list me in the percentage of christains that says that the bible does not evolve, and we'll leave it at that. Congratulations 'Eljay', You are the proud member a highly select group, mainly found in the US, and comprising 0,00262% of the world christian community. You and your fellow member, futher distinguish yourselves by 'fundamentally protesting' the faith and beliefs of just about every other christians, comprising 99,997% of the lot, and covering the vast majotiry of catholics, anglicans, orthodox and protestants other than the Fundamentalist-Evangelicalists. Amicably 'eljay', you have to admit, that that's a tall 'PROTESTING' order. |
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http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1985/who-wrote-the-bible-part-1
Here is an interesting article on who wrote the bible. The evolution of the bible has been ongoing throughout history. It has been made to fit a certain agenda. It would probably not be very recognizable in it's original state, ya think? |
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Know any chimps that can type on a keyboard ? Or talk? Or dress themselves? Or write? Or cook a grand dinner for two? Or reason? Or think? Know any? Even one? Just maybe..one? Once upon a time I knew next to nothing about how evolution actually works. Get educated, this link has tons of info, both highly educational websites including universities, popular videos, as well as class room lectures. http://mingle2.com/topic/show/202703 Once you understand how evolution works it becomes clear there is no mechanism to prevent morphological changes that would alter a species enough to keep it from breeding back with its ancestor species. Once that happens then small changes add up due to the fact the genetic material can no longer be passed between these population, and thus the changes add up, the difference becomes greater and greater. Micro and macro evolution are the same thing, only on different time scales. Dear Billy .... Microevolution is KNOWN and Understood, and there is even PROOF that microevolution took place(this is Evolution WITHIN a species ONLY... and usually took place as a species had to ADAPT to its environment) . Now Macroevolution ..which Evolutionists are just SAYING that also took place ( evolution that transcends the boundaries of a single species.... and becomes a WHOLE OTHER species), is NOT true....it NEVER EVER HAPPENED...and there is NO PROOF whatsoever. NADA!!! MACRO EVOLUTION IS Just THEORY....NOT FACT, BILLY!!! But I don't mind you all sharing...please do...you can even call me ignorant if you want.. .... But I will also share with you the TRUTH of what God's Word says.... which is again.... "ALL things reproduce after its own KIND".... Now....God's Word Does NOT change....... therefore, God saying that "all things reproduce after its own kind" , does not change either........ and will never cahnge.... or else God would be ONE who does NOT keep His Word.... and therefore would be Nothing more than a big fat Liar. AND IF God is a Liar...and Hs WORD IS a Lie.... then the WHOLE of creation is in CHAOS ..and we are all DOOMED!!! BUT BILLY.... since Jesus thru His Holy Spirit , came to live in my heart, I KNOW God is NOT a Liar..and I KNOW God's WORD is TRUE !!!! meaning.... what God said in His Word IS TRUE!!!! Meaning.... "All things reproduce after its own Kind" is ALSO TRUE...... But Billy, I ALSO Understand, that until man is born again, man will NOT see or understand what God's Word says....or even believe it.... I do understand.. Hey Morningsong, Just a thought. Your god, according to your book, is omnipotent and omniscient, COULDN'T HIS WORD EVOLVE!!! Isn't that conceivable??? Just a hint, 99,997% of all christians accept that god's word evolves, and accept evolution micro, macro and all!!! Well - those 99.997 % who accept that God's word evolves never read the text. It explicitly states that not one "jot or tittle" would change, and anyone wo adds or detracts from it brings eternal damnation on themselves. I think that if christains believe the word is evolving - hey need to check themselves on whether or not their a christian. For if they don't know Jesus - I doubt he knows them. Obviously some do not know the history of the bible and how it came to be what we have today if they believe it has not been edited and converted to fit certain agendas. Look it up or here I will help. http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(King_James) Old Testament Genesis | Exodus | Leviticus | Numbers | Deuteronomy | Joshua | Judges | Ruth | 1 Samuel 2 Samuel | 1 Kings | 2 Kings | 1 Chronicles | 2 Chronicles | Ezra | Nehemiah | Esther | Job Psalms | Proverbs | Ecclesiastes | Song of Solomon | Isaiah | Jeremiah | Lamentations | Ezekiel Daniel | Hosea | Joel | Amos | Obadiah | Jonah | Micah | Nahum | Habakkuk | Zephaniah | Haggai Zechariah | Malachi [edit] New Testament Matthew | Mark | Luke | John | Acts | Romans | 1 Corinthians | 2 Corinthians | Galatians | Ephesians | Philippians | Colossians 1 Thessalonians | 2 Thessalonians | 1 Timothy | 2 Timothy | Titus | Philemon | Hebrews | James | 1 Peter | 2 Peter | 1 John | 2 John | 3 John Jude | Revelation [edit] Deuterocanonical books The deuterocanonical books (meaning "second canon") are not recognized as part of the canon of the Bible in Protestantism, but are recognized as canonical by the Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church. They are also known as the Apocrypha. These books came from the Septuagint, the Greek version of the Old Testament used by early Christians and Jews. They were included in the first editions of the King James Bible, but were removed from some editions by reformers during the 16th century. By the mid-19th century, the deuterocanonical books were generally rejected by Protestant Christians. Judaism used the Septuagint until about the second century AD, but doesn't recognize either the deuterocanonical or New Testament books as part of their own canon, which is known as the Tanakh. Additions to Daniel Judith 1 Esdras 2 Esdras Additions to Esther Susanna 1 Maccabees 2 Maccabees Prayer of Manassheh Sirach Wisdom of Solomon Baruch (including the Epistle of Jeremiah) Tobit Bel [edit] Copyright The King James Version is also known as the Authorized Version. Note that in the United Kingdom, this work is still copyrighted and is subject to a eternal copyright term. Thou shalt obtain permissions to publish in England and Wales by following the guidance in A Brief Guide to Liturgical Copyright, third edition (RTF file). If thou wishest to publish in Scotland, thou shalt contact the Scottish Bible Board for permissions. This work is in the public domain outside the United Kingdom because the author has been deceased at least 100 years. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- However, this work is under an eternal copyright in the United Kingdom. Oh - I see, a game of semantics. This argument only holds true if I accept your premise that anyone who follows the text of the cannonized bible and whatever they wish to add t it, is a christain. But I seriously doubt that we agree on the premise of who is a chrstian and who isn't, so this discussion can't get past the main premise. Just list me in the percentage of christains that says that the bible does not evolve, and we'll leave it at that. Congratulations 'Eljay', You are the proud member a highly select group, mainly found in the US, and comprising 0,00262% of the world christian community. You and your fellow member, futher distinguish yourselves by 'fundamentally protesting' the faith and beliefs of just about every other christians, comprising 99,997% of the lot, and covering the vast majotiry of catholics, anglicans, orthodox and protestants other than the Fundamentalist-Evangelicalists. Amicably 'eljay', you have to admit, that that's a tall 'PROTESTING' order. I personally don't care that 99.what-ever think that the bible "evolves". I can't demonstrate from scripture that it does. Now - if you are refering to the 66 books of the bible, and "all the others" (for lack of a better term) such as the Gnostic scriptures, or the Apocrapha - I have the same feeling about them as well. They say what they say, and are not going to "evolve" into something else. I have not read the "other books" in totality, so I can't comment on their accuracy, or "inspiration" - but my test would simly be to see where they fit into the whole in terms of context. To date - I only have the opinions of others wh have interpreted the text, and well - you now where I stand on people interpeting scripture for me... I'm curious where you get your per centage though - because I know I'm not amoungst a small elite group who thinks the bible is not evolving. |
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Oh - I see, a game of semantics. This argument only holds true if I accept your premise that anyone who follows the text of the cannonized bible and whatever they wish to add t it, is a christain. But I seriously doubt that we agree on the premise of who is a chrstian and who isn't, so this discussion can't get past the main premise. Just list me in the percentage of christains that says that the bible does not evolve, and we'll leave it at that. You have yet to even address that question on the atheists thread about what it means to be a "true Christian." I listed over 29 different definitions taken from the bible. There is clearly no consensus even amongst early Christians. I haven't seen that thread in weeks. Too many "evolution" threads to keep up with. Send me a reference and I'll check it out. I likely missed a lot of your posts from the week I was loading in my show. |
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Oh forget it. You had enough reminders. It was that Hitler one. I dont want to re-hash it.
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*********************************************************************************************************************  http://www.dianedew.com/creation.htm key verse: "Everything Reproduces AFTER... ITS...OWN...KIND!!" meaning: Evolution Into a WHOLE OTHER SPECIES Will NEVER EVER HAPPEN!! Now , Can Evolution Take Place WITHIN a Species? Yes..but WITHIN the Species ONLY!! Simply Because..... Evolution WITHIN a Species, STILL REMAINS... OF ... IT'S... OWN... KIND!!! ********************************************************************************************************************* Humans are primates
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It’s absurd to say you accept microevolution and not macro. Your god can’t allow for adaptation within one of his creations but not allow for continued adaptation over a long period of time. Besides ANY evolution should be off limits to you because you believe that your god is omnipotent so why would he have created fully formed creatures that weren’t already perfectly designed from the get go? Think.
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voileazur
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Know any chimps that can type on a keyboard ? Or talk? Or dress themselves? Or write? Or cook a grand dinner for two? Or reason? Or think? Know any? Even one? Just maybe..one? Once upon a time I knew next to nothing about how evolution actually works. Get educated, this link has tons of info, both highly educational websites including universities, popular videos, as well as class room lectures. http://mingle2.com/topic/show/202703 Once you understand how evolution works it becomes clear there is no mechanism to prevent morphological changes that would alter a species enough to keep it from breeding back with its ancestor species. Once that happens then small changes add up due to the fact the genetic material can no longer be passed between these population, and thus the changes add up, the difference becomes greater and greater. Micro and macro evolution are the same thing, only on different time scales. Dear Billy .... Microevolution is KNOWN and Understood, and there is even PROOF that microevolution took place(this is Evolution WITHIN a species ONLY... and usually took place as a species had to ADAPT to its environment) . Now Macroevolution ..which Evolutionists are just SAYING that also took place ( evolution that transcends the boundaries of a single species.... and becomes a WHOLE OTHER species), is NOT true....it NEVER EVER HAPPENED...and there is NO PROOF whatsoever. NADA!!! MACRO EVOLUTION IS Just THEORY....NOT FACT, BILLY!!! But I don't mind you all sharing...please do...you can even call me ignorant if you want.. .... But I will also share with you the TRUTH of what God's Word says.... which is again.... "ALL things reproduce after its own KIND".... Now....God's Word Does NOT change....... therefore, God saying that "all things reproduce after its own kind" , does not change either........ and will never cahnge.... or else God would be ONE who does NOT keep His Word.... and therefore would be Nothing more than a big fat Liar. AND IF God is a Liar...and Hs WORD IS a Lie.... then the WHOLE of creation is in CHAOS ..and we are all DOOMED!!! BUT BILLY.... since Jesus thru His Holy Spirit , came to live in my heart, I KNOW God is NOT a Liar..and I KNOW God's WORD is TRUE !!!! meaning.... what God said in His Word IS TRUE!!!! Meaning.... "All things reproduce after its own Kind" is ALSO TRUE...... But Billy, I ALSO Understand, that until man is born again, man will NOT see or understand what God's Word says....or even believe it.... I do understand.. Hey Morningsong, Just a thought. Your god, according to your book, is omnipotent and omniscient, COULDN'T HIS WORD EVOLVE!!! Isn't that conceivable??? Just a hint, 99,997% of all christians accept that god's word evolves, and accept evolution micro, macro and all!!! Well - those 99.997 % who accept that God's word evolves never read the text. It explicitly states that not one "jot or tittle" would change, and anyone wo adds or detracts from it brings eternal damnation on themselves. I think that if christains believe the word is evolving - hey need to check themselves on whether or not their a christian. For if they don't know Jesus - I doubt he knows them. Obviously some do not know the history of the bible and how it came to be what we have today if they believe it has not been edited and converted to fit certain agendas. Look it up or here I will help. http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(King_James) Old Testament Genesis | Exodus | Leviticus | Numbers | Deuteronomy | Joshua | Judges | Ruth | 1 Samuel 2 Samuel | 1 Kings | 2 Kings | 1 Chronicles | 2 Chronicles | Ezra | Nehemiah | Esther | Job Psalms | Proverbs | Ecclesiastes | Song of Solomon | Isaiah | Jeremiah | Lamentations | Ezekiel Daniel | Hosea | Joel | Amos | Obadiah | Jonah | Micah | Nahum | Habakkuk | Zephaniah | Haggai Zechariah | Malachi [edit] New Testament Matthew | Mark | Luke | John | Acts | Romans | 1 Corinthians | 2 Corinthians | Galatians | Ephesians | Philippians | Colossians 1 Thessalonians | 2 Thessalonians | 1 Timothy | 2 Timothy | Titus | Philemon | Hebrews | James | 1 Peter | 2 Peter | 1 John | 2 John | 3 John Jude | Revelation [edit] Deuterocanonical books The deuterocanonical books (meaning "second canon") are not recognized as part of the canon of the Bible in Protestantism, but are recognized as canonical by the Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church. They are also known as the Apocrypha. These books came from the Septuagint, the Greek version of the Old Testament used by early Christians and Jews. They were included in the first editions of the King James Bible, but were removed from some editions by reformers during the 16th century. By the mid-19th century, the deuterocanonical books were generally rejected by Protestant Christians. Judaism used the Septuagint until about the second century AD, but doesn't recognize either the deuterocanonical or New Testament books as part of their own canon, which is known as the Tanakh. Additions to Daniel Judith 1 Esdras 2 Esdras Additions to Esther Susanna 1 Maccabees 2 Maccabees Prayer of Manassheh Sirach Wisdom of Solomon Baruch (including the Epistle of Jeremiah) Tobit Bel [edit] Copyright The King James Version is also known as the Authorized Version. Note that in the United Kingdom, this work is still copyrighted and is subject to a eternal copyright term. Thou shalt obtain permissions to publish in England and Wales by following the guidance in A Brief Guide to Liturgical Copyright, third edition (RTF file). If thou wishest to publish in Scotland, thou shalt contact the Scottish Bible Board for permissions. This work is in the public domain outside the United Kingdom because the author has been deceased at least 100 years. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- However, this work is under an eternal copyright in the United Kingdom. Oh - I see, a game of semantics. This argument only holds true if I accept your premise that anyone who follows the text of the cannonized bible and whatever they wish to add t it, is a christain. But I seriously doubt that we agree on the premise of who is a chrstian and who isn't, so this discussion can't get past the main premise. Just list me in the percentage of christains that says that the bible does not evolve, and we'll leave it at that. Congratulations 'Eljay', You are the proud member a highly select group, mainly found in the US, and comprising 0,00262% of the world christian community. You and your fellow member, futher distinguish yourselves by 'fundamentally protesting' the faith and beliefs of just about every other christians, comprising 99,997% of the lot, and covering the vast majotiry of catholics, anglicans, orthodox and protestants other than the Fundamentalist-Evangelicalists. Amicably 'eljay', you have to admit, that that's a tall 'PROTESTING' order. I personally don't care that 99.what-ever think that the bible "evolves". I can't demonstrate from scripture that it does. Now - if you are refering to the 66 books of the bible, and "all the others" (for lack of a better term) such as the Gnostic scriptures, or the Apocrapha - I have the same feeling about them as well. They say what they say, and are not going to "evolve" into something else. I have not read the "other books" in totality, so I can't comment on their accuracy, or "inspiration" - but my test would simly be to see where they fit into the whole in terms of context. To date - I only have the opinions of others wh have interpreted the text, and well - you now where I stand on people interpeting scripture for me... I'm curious where you get your per centage though - because I know I'm not amoungst a small elite group who thinks the bible is not evolving. Are you twisting words on purpose, for fun or out of habit. How am I suppose to make sense of your reply to me 'Eljay', with your comment '... because I know I'm not amongst a small elite group who thinks the bible is not evolving...' I know the first part '... amongst a small elite group...' is coherent with my previous post to which you are replying, but where does the '... who think THE BIBLE IS EVOLVING???...' come from??? A small elite group founding their faith in a '... bible inerrancy belief...' MUTATES into '...you believing the bible is evolving...'!!! That's like faith mutating into 'bible inerrancy', mutating into creationism, mutating into Intelligent Design, and getting gruesomely declared 'unscientific', 'unsconstitutional' and a simple matter of faith and belief!!! Back to square one. I this thread, on this topic, you are invited to address how FAITH mutates into FACT, because you keep making that claim, and yet you never demonstrate how that formidable and incomprehensible feat is achieved. That is where the debate is at. None of the creationist, fundamentalist, or other apologetist of the 'expert' kind, have succeeded yet in addressing this FAITH mutating into FACT mystery in the public arena where FACTS, judicial or scientific get to be debated and judged. So for now, from the scientific and judicial perspectives, the premise you promote as FACT, is but a MYSTERY in reality, or if you wish to make it yours, legitimate material for anyone's personal FAITH!!! I would appreciate, if you could fond in you to respect and debate the topic of this thread. With a bit of rigour and mental discipline, it could be a respectful and interesting debate. |
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Sorry.
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Maybe you can blame all of these contradictions on your "evolving bible."
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Know any chimps that can type on a keyboard ? Or talk? Or dress themselves? Or write? Or cook a grand dinner for two? Or reason? Or think? Know any? Even one? Just maybe..one? Once upon a time I knew next to nothing about how evolution actually works. Get educated, this link has tons of info, both highly educational websites including universities, popular videos, as well as class room lectures. http://mingle2.com/topic/show/202703 Once you understand how evolution works it becomes clear there is no mechanism to prevent morphological changes that would alter a species enough to keep it from breeding back with its ancestor species. Once that happens then small changes add up due to the fact the genetic material can no longer be passed between these population, and thus the changes add up, the difference becomes greater and greater. Micro and macro evolution are the same thing, only on different time scales. Dear Billy .... Microevolution is KNOWN and Understood, and there is even PROOF that microevolution took place(this is Evolution WITHIN a species ONLY... and usually took place as a species had to ADAPT to its environment) . Now Macroevolution ..which Evolutionists are just SAYING that also took place ( evolution that transcends the boundaries of a single species.... and becomes a WHOLE OTHER species), is NOT true....it NEVER EVER HAPPENED...and there is NO PROOF whatsoever. NADA!!! MACRO EVOLUTION IS Just THEORY....NOT FACT, BILLY!!! But I don't mind you all sharing...please do...you can even call me ignorant if you want.. .... But I will also share with you the TRUTH of what God's Word says.... which is again.... "ALL things reproduce after its own KIND".... Now....God's Word Does NOT change....... therefore, God saying that "all things reproduce after its own kind" , does not change either........ and will never cahnge.... or else God would be ONE who does NOT keep His Word.... and therefore would be Nothing more than a big fat Liar. AND IF God is a Liar...and His WORD IS a Lie.... then the WHOLE of creation is in CHAOS ..and we are all DOOMED!!! BUT BILLY.... since Jesus thru His Holy Spirit , came to live in my heart, I KNOW God is NOT a Liar..and I KNOW God's WORD is TRUE !!!! meaning.... what God said in His Word IS TRUE!!!! Meaning.... "All things reproduce after its own Kind" is ALSO TRUE...... But Billy, I ALSO Understand, that until man is born again, man will NOT see or understand what God's Word says....or even believe it.... I do understand.. Hey Morningsong, Just a thought. Your god, according to your book, is omnipotent and omniscient, COULDN'T HIS WORD EVOLVE!!! Isn't that conceivable??? Just a hint, 99,997% of all christians accept that god's word evolves, and accept evolution micro, macro and all!!! YES !!!!! YES !!!! YES VOIL!! BUT.... ALWAYS .... WITHIN... ITS... OWN... KIND!! ONLY!!!!!!!!!!! And that includes EVERYTHING in the universe..... everything will always ONLY ONLY ONLY Evolve ... WITHIN... ITS.... OWN... KIND. OK....just read thru this whole thread again. VOIL .... The other day when I said Yes, Yes, Yes , I was referring to the fact that... YES... all things evolve.... but ALWAYS within it's OWN kind. But I see NOW, after RE-READING the thread, that I never really even addressed the ACTUAL question you asked the other day, at all!! My sincere Apologies ,Voil!! So.... allow me to address the question now: Voil...here again, is the question you asked: "Hey Morningsong.... Your god, according to your book, is omnipotent and omniscient, COULDN'T HIS WORD EVOLVE!!! Isn't that conceivable??? And the answer now... made more clear: NO...not conceivable at all, Voil.... simply because God's Word does NOT CHANGE or EVOLVE. HOWEVER.. God's WORD Can PRODUCE CHANGE... and God's Word can CAUSE things to EVOLVE... BUT ONLY AFTER IT'S OWN KIND. OR......WITHIN ITS OWN KIND. BUT .... NEVER NEVER WILL THE WORD ITSELF ,CHANGE OR EVOLVE. NEVER!!!! Cause GOD WORD DOES NOT CHANGE. NEITHER DOES GOD . GOD AND THE WORD ARE ONE. (See John chaper one) I SHOULD have Explained this better the other day.... my sincere apologies, Voil. Hope this helps now |
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Also Voil...CHRISTIANS do NOT believe in Macroevolution.
WHY? MACROevolution goes COMPLETELY AGAINST GOD'S WORD. HOWEVER, christian DO agree MICROevolution took place..and takes place.. which, btw, does NOT go againsnt God's Word. ( I explained all this in an earlier post). So..IF there are percentages taken out there(which I know nothing about ...and don't go by anyway) , the percentages are either referring to christians who beleive in MICROevolution... OR... the percentages given, were given by someone misinformed....or with an agenda. I don't know. But This I DO KNOW... There is NOT one single christian (a christian is simply one who is born again ,or born of God) , who would believe in something CONTRARY to the Word of God... simply because.... a christian is someone whose eyes have NOW BEEN OPENED.... and therefore is now ABLE to KNOW and REOGNIZE THE GOOD SHEPHERD'S VOICE ..... AND ALSO IS ABLE NOW TO KNOW and UNDERSTAND GOD'S WORD. Once more... A Christian is someone who has been born again..... and BECAUSE he is BORN AGAIN, his eyes are OPENED NOW.... and is therefore NOW ABLE to RECOGNIZE and KNOW the TRUTH NOW. Period. |
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It's so funny to me that you keep refering to it as TRUTH. "You can see the truth because you're born again" Your "truth" is completely based on the writing in the Bible which aren't founded anything factual. It's only follow by blind faith. So your "truth" is really only "faith" being missrepresented as such. |
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