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Atlantis,
You're right. It was going on after Vietnam - big time. |
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Edited by
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I have to note, that it does matter, if a person is someone who served in the Army or not. I do not have to say why, right? Combat, survival skills, weapon skills, tactics, strategy, leadership skills, explosives, recruiting skills. Imagine in a civil war, US Army trained veterans know well exactly how the US active Army will navigate, position and plan, since that's what they learned their skills as well, I'm not even gonna mention how much difference it makes to be combat trained vs fresh recruits. does that not go for all branches of service too? Every single person who serves in the armed forces must learn to shoot his/her rifle. Yes, even a military doctor knows (have to) how to handle an M16A2 or AR15 or a 9mm. Of course the biggest and most important group the Infantry - let it be Marines, Army, Special Forces - has much more combat skills, that's their job, is to "shoot - move - communicate" 
the Navy trains on M-14s, 12 gauges, and 45's Ours was the first to train with the M-16. We did 45 Colt also. I reallllly like the Mini-14. It's so cute and I like it's little peep site. I got 3 top gun awards, 1997, 98,99 2 for the M16A2/M203 1 for the M249. I'm old school...
Toastin all Vets, Past and Present CHEERS
forgot the LAW, light anti-tank weapon, I hear that is not even used any longer, not sure, been a while for me, all the stuff we used are in the museums now, 
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Edited by
Dragoness
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Homeland Security leaders defend memo on veterans By TIM TALLEY - Associated Press Writer Published: Sun, Apr. 19, 2009 09:41AM Modified Sun, Apr. 19, 2009 06:20PM Veterans #1 Enemy, Janet Napolitano OKLAHOMA CITY -- Top Department of Homeland Security officials on Sunday defended an agency intelligence assessment warning that veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan could be susceptible to recruitment by right-wing extremists, though one said it should have been "more tightly written and presented." Homeland Security chief Janet Napolitano said on CNN's "State of the Union" that she regrets that some people took offense over the report, but added that "a number of groups far too numerous to mention" were targeting returning veterans to carry out domestic terrorism attacks. She said the warning report, which went out to American law enforcement agencies two weeks ago, was consistent with earlier reports. Domestic Terrorism Lute Domestic Terrorism Lute AP Photo - Jane Lute, deputy director of U.S. Homeland Security, is pictured during an interview with the Associated Press at the Oklahoma City National Memorial & Museum in Oklahoma City, Sunday, April 19, 2009. The report, which also warned of veterans engaging in lone acts of violence, was criticized by conservatives who called it offensive and said the agency should apologize to veterans. Deputy Secretary Jane Holl Lute, in Oklahoma City for ceremonies marking the 14th anniversary of the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, said it is wrong to characterize the report's distribution as an attempt to insult veterans but acknowledged that "it should have been more tightly written and presented." Lute, an Army veteran and former assistant secretary-general of the United Nations in charge of peacekeeping operations, said the agency was taking "very seriously" the threat that right-wing domestic extremists could use the lagging U.S. economy and the election of the country's first black president to recruit members. Lute said the agency didn't focus on any one group because of its members' beliefs or backgrounds but that it was more interested in the likelihood that a group might turn to violence. The report mentioned Oklahoma City bombing conspirator Timothy McVeigh, a decorated Army veteran convicted of detonating an explosives-laden truck in front of the federal building, killing 168 people and injuring hundreds. McVeigh was executed in 2001, and his former Army buddy Terry Nichols is serving multiple life prison terms for his role in the attack. Lute said her agency assesses all potential hazards and that the Oklahoma City bombing was "a reminder to the country that we can't be complacent." No offense to vets intended here but terrorists come in all shapes, forms, backgrounds, race, creed, countries, job descriptions, etc... We cannot exclude one job over another in the assessment process. |
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I have to note, that it does matter, if a person is someone who served in the Army or not. I do not have to say why, right? Combat, survival skills, weapon skills, tactics, strategy, leadership skills, explosives, recruiting skills. Imagine in a civil war, US Army trained veterans know well exactly how the US active Army will navigate, position and plan, since that's what they learned their skills as well, I'm not even gonna mention how much difference it makes to be combat trained vs fresh recruits. does that not go for all branches of service too? Every single person who serves in the armed forces must learn to shoot his/her rifle. Yes, even a military doctor knows (have to) how to handle an M16A2 or AR15 or a 9mm. Of course the biggest and most important group the Infantry - let it be Marines, Army, Special Forces - has much more combat skills, that's their job, is to "shoot - move - communicate"
the Navy trains on M-14s, 12 gauges, and 45's Ours was the first to train with the M-16. We did 45 Colt also. I reallllly like the Mini-14. It's so cute and I like it's little peep site. I got 3 top gun awards, 1997, 98,99 2 for the M16A2/M203 1 for the M249. I'm old school...
Toastin all Vets, Past and Present CHEERS
forgot the LAW, light anti-tank weapon, I hear that is not even used any longer, not sure, been a while for me, all the stuff we used are in the museums now,
Cheers, back at 'cha. On a serious note. One day we could see what used to be Patriotic Americans in the museum as well, we'l just be labeled, terrorists. |
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Homeland Security leaders defend memo on veterans By TIM TALLEY - Associated Press Writer Published: Sun, Apr. 19, 2009 09:41AM Modified Sun, Apr. 19, 2009 06:20PM Veterans #1 Enemy, Janet Napolitano OKLAHOMA CITY -- Top Department of Homeland Security officials on Sunday defended an agency intelligence assessment warning that veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan could be susceptible to recruitment by right-wing extremists, though one said it should have been "more tightly written and presented." Homeland Security chief Janet Napolitano said on CNN's "State of the Union" that she regrets that some people took offense over the report, but added that "a number of groups far too numerous to mention" were targeting returning veterans to carry out domestic terrorism attacks. She said the warning report, which went out to American law enforcement agencies two weeks ago, was consistent with earlier reports. Domestic Terrorism Lute Domestic Terrorism Lute AP Photo - Jane Lute, deputy director of U.S. Homeland Security, is pictured during an interview with the Associated Press at the Oklahoma City National Memorial & Museum in Oklahoma City, Sunday, April 19, 2009. The report, which also warned of veterans engaging in lone acts of violence, was criticized by conservatives who called it offensive and said the agency should apologize to veterans. Deputy Secretary Jane Holl Lute, in Oklahoma City for ceremonies marking the 14th anniversary of the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, said it is wrong to characterize the report's distribution as an attempt to insult veterans but acknowledged that "it should have been more tightly written and presented." Lute, an Army veteran and former assistant secretary-general of the United Nations in charge of peacekeeping operations, said the agency was taking "very seriously" the threat that right-wing domestic extremists could use the lagging U.S. economy and the election of the country's first black president to recruit members. Lute said the agency didn't focus on any one group because of its members' beliefs or backgrounds but that it was more interested in the likelihood that a group might turn to violence. The report mentioned Oklahoma City bombing conspirator Timothy McVeigh, a decorated Army veteran convicted of detonating an explosives-laden truck in front of the federal building, killing 168 people and injuring hundreds. McVeigh was executed in 2001, and his former Army buddy Terry Nichols is serving multiple life prison terms for his role in the attack. Lute said her agency assesses all potential hazards and that the Oklahoma City bombing was "a reminder to the country that we can't be complacent." No offense to vets intended here but terrorists come in all shapes, forms, backgrounds, race, creed, countries, job descriptions, etc... We cannot exclude one job over another in the assessment process. Well said. |
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I have to note, that it does matter, if a person is someone who served in the Army or not. I do not have to say why, right? Combat, survival skills, weapon skills, tactics, strategy, leadership skills, explosives, recruiting skills. Imagine in a civil war, US Army trained veterans know well exactly how the US active Army will navigate, position and plan, since that's what they learned their skills as well, I'm not even gonna mention how much difference it makes to be combat trained vs fresh recruits. does that not go for all branches of service too? Every single person who serves in the armed forces must learn to shoot his/her rifle. Yes, even a military doctor knows (have to) how to handle an M16A2 or AR15 or a 9mm. Of course the biggest and most important group the Infantry - let it be Marines, Army, Special Forces - has much more combat skills, that's their job, is to "shoot - move - communicate"
the Navy trains on M-14s, 12 gauges, and 45's Ours was the first to train with the M-16. We did 45 Colt also. I reallllly like the Mini-14. It's so cute and I like it's little peep site. I got 3 top gun awards, 1997, 98,99 2 for the M16A2/M203 1 for the M249. I'm old school...
Toastin all Vets, Past and Present CHEERS
forgot the LAW, light anti-tank weapon, I hear that is not even used any longer, not sure, been a while for me, all the stuff we used are in the museums now,
Cheers, back at 'cha. On a serious note. One day we could see what used to be Patriotic Americans in the museum as well, we'l just be labeled, terrorists. |
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To question government makes you a conspiracy theorist.
I'll never be sorry to question anything I feel bears question, even my own government, so imposing this label on me or ANYONE who asks questions, profiling them into a "watch" group, is this not by definition a conspiracy theory? I think there may be a "practice what you preach!" issue here. This being said, how can they label/profile anyone? |
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i think this thread is about one specific group possibly being targeted not everyone else
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i think this thread is about one specific group possibly being targeted not everyone else When a 5 year old boy is detained at SeaTac Airport, and his mother can't even hold her child as he is being searched and harrassed because he is on a "NO FLY" list, don't you worry just a bit about how broad their definitions are? The thought of any "vet" (of which I am one) being profiled to a watch list, with this as an example, should cause concern to EVERYONE! What if it should happen to you or someone you know, as with this innocent 5 year old and his mother. Profiling is wrong! Even for the government! |
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i think this thread is about one specific group possibly being targeted not everyone else When a 5 year old boy is detained at SeaTac Airport, and his mother can't even hold her child as he is being searched and harrassed because he is on a "NO FLY" list, don't you worry just a bit about how broad their definitions are? The thought of any "vet" (of which I am one) being profiled to a watch list, with this as an example, should cause concern to EVERYONE! What if it should happen to you or someone you know, as with this innocent 5 year old and his mother. Profiling is wrong! Even for the government! What 5 yr. old boy? |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Sun 04/19/09 08:03 PM
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i think this thread is about one specific group possibly being targeted not everyone else When a 5 year old boy is detained at SeaTac Airport, and his mother can't even hold her child as he is being searched and harrassed because he is on a "NO FLY" list, don't you worry just a bit about how broad their definitions are? The thought of any "vet" (of which I am one) being profiled to a watch list, with this as an example, should cause concern to EVERYONE! What if it should happen to you or someone you know, as with this innocent 5 year old and his mother. Profiling is wrong! Even for the government! What 5 yr. old boy? http://prisonplanet.com/articles/january2006/060106fouryear.htm http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/01/05/national/a111845S48.DTL There are many reports on this event. Google it. Still think it is an innocent agenda to profile vets, and ok to do so? |
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soul...i agree with that. i've seen the article
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Sun 04/19/09 08:21 PM
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I can't think of any reason for anyone to think profiling is "OK".
There is no innocent agenda when you are put on a watch list as a "group". It is called "sweeping powers" allowing abusive possibilities by any law enforcement agency as is proven in the case of this 5 yr old child. Like they didn't know it was a mistake? The child probably couldn't even say terrorist! They harrassed him and his mother anyway. It just shows the mindless thought the enforcers possess when given "orders" of this nature. Guilty till proven innocent! Even a 5 yr old child! |
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Gee, black folks are profiled all the time. Noone screamed about it but let it hit someone who "should not be profiled???" and it is an issue?
Profiling has been done in this country since encept. Profiling for witches, profiling for communists, profiling because of race, etc... It is only a problem when it happens to a "certain group"???? As for assessment for terrorists, they had better not limit the profile of these people to any certain type or criteria because we will all suffer again if they do. |
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Gee, black folks are profiled all the time. Noone screamed about it but let it hit someone who "should not be profiled???" and it is an issue? Profiling has been done in this country since encept. Profiling for witches, profiling for communists, profiling because of race, etc... It is only a problem when it happens to a "certain group"???? As for assessment for terrorists, they had better not limit the profile of these people to any certain type or criteria because we will all suffer again if they do. I have never been in acceptance of profiling, racism, or the singling out of anyone for any reason. This article is about profiling vets. Start a forum about this assault on anyone and I would say the same thing. PROFILING IS WRONG! There are always factions that will easily eliminate one group or another from their idea of who deserves rights. Blacks had no rights, women had no rights, immigrants had no rights, etc, etc, etc. Racism exists, but we are talking about government profiling of vets in this thread. Please don't confuse the issue. Start another forum and I'll be there. |
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Gee, black folks are profiled all the time. Noone screamed about it but let it hit someone who "should not be profiled???" and it is an issue? Profiling has been done in this country since encept. Profiling for witches, profiling for communists, profiling because of race, etc... It is only a problem when it happens to a "certain group"???? As for assessment for terrorists, they had better not limit the profile of these people to any certain type or criteria because we will all suffer again if they do. I have never been in acceptance of profiling, racism, or the singling out of anyone for any reason. This article is about profiling vets. Start a forum about this assault on anyone and I would say the same thing. PROFILING IS WRONG! There are always factions that will easily eliminate one group or another from their idea of who deserves rights. Blacks had no rights, women had no rights, immigrants had no rights, etc, etc, etc. Racism exists, but we are talking about government profiling of vets in this thread. Please don't confuse the issue. Start another forum and I'll be there.
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Edited by
TJN
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Mon 04/20/09 05:06 AM
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Gee, black folks are profiled all the time. Noone screamed about it but let it hit someone who "should not be profiled???" and it is an issue? Profiling has been done in this country since encept. Profiling for witches, profiling for communists, profiling because of race, etc... It is only a problem when it happens to a "certain group"???? As for assessment for terrorists, they had better not limit the profile of these people to any certain type or criteria because we will all suffer again if they do. I didnt see anyone on here say any kind of profiling is ok. after 9/11 they were profiling Mid eastern people and there was quite an uproar that they shouldnt be doing it. I guess its a little diffeent when your a law abiding citizen and now out of the blue they say that your going to be watched because you were in the Army. Guess you would have had to defend, be willing to die for, and have lost great friends, serving your country to understand how it feels! Just my opinion! |
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i think this thread is about one specific group possibly being targeted not everyone else When a 5 year old boy is detained at SeaTac Airport, and his mother can't even hold her child as he is being searched and harrassed because he is on a "NO FLY" list, don't you worry just a bit about how broad their definitions are? The thought of any "vet" (of which I am one) being profiled to a watch list, with this as an example, should cause concern to EVERYONE! What if it should happen to you or someone you know, as with this innocent 5 year old and his mother. Profiling is wrong! Even for the government! What 5 yr. old boy? http://prisonplanet.com/articles/january2006/060106fouryear.htm http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/01/05/national/a111845S48.DTL There are many reports on this event. Google it. Still think it is an innocent agenda to profile vets, and ok to do so? Let's not forget what Rahm Emmanuel said about the "no fly" list. He said, you're not apart of the American Community and no longer would have or deserve a 2nd amendment. |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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i think this thread is about one specific group possibly being targeted not everyone else When a 5 year old boy is detained at SeaTac Airport, and his mother can't even hold her child as he is being searched and harrassed because he is on a "NO FLY" list, don't you worry just a bit about how broad their definitions are? The thought of any "vet" (of which I am one) being profiled to a watch list, with this as an example, should cause concern to EVERYONE! What if it should happen to you or someone you know, as with this innocent 5 year old and his mother. Profiling is wrong! Even for the government! What 5 yr. old boy? http://prisonplanet.com/articles/january2006/060106fouryear.htm http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/01/05/national/a111845S48.DTL There are many reports on this event. Google it. Still think it is an innocent agenda to profile vets, and ok to do so? Let's not forget what Rahm Emmanuel said about the "no fly" list. He said, you're not apart of the American Community and no longer would have or deserve a 2nd amendment. It's so very sad that most fail to "connect the dots" on issues. Even though most MSM will report an issue, say it is of GREAT importance, they are content to believe our leaders (people in power) who got us here will "work it out in their best interest" and let it go at that. They "won't waste time" researching the issue. We've been dumbed down so badly, gotten so placated by excess in the past offered by the corporations who control, it's just too much work or thought unnessessary to "get involved". They'll sort it out, isn't that what we pay them for? To me however, it's like a murder trial against you with no body, no evidence, just someone in a suit that looks important saying "He did it!" and the jury believing it must be so because he looks like he knows. After all, gotta get home to dinner and the game on your big screen! Why waste your valuable time when the "suits" are convinced he did it? They must know, right?! These are the same people who whine later and say "I should have seen it coming!" 9/11 will be a good example of that I hope some day soon, but that's another issue. |
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That is the most asinine thing I have ever read. Our government goes too far, RIDICULOUS!!
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