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adj - Is a zygote or an embryo a human being? Fran and I discussed this once upon a time. 
Fertilization in the uterine tube. 24 hours later - zygote. Then they divide into more cells (cleavage) and become blastomeres. Then they cleavage some more and three days later it becomes a solid ball of 16 cells called a morula. Then it becomes a blastocyst. The blastocyst goes into the uterine cavity and remains unattached for about 3 days. About the sixth day, the blastocyst begins to attach itself to the uterine lining. That is the period of cleavage - the first week of implantation. The embryonic stage is the 2nd week to the 8th week. It doesn't have an umbilical cord and hasn't used anything from the mother yet. and all these names are they creations and what are they creations of dogs cats humans horses cows ????????? exactly.... 
we are humans and should be proud of it 
and this is the progression of our growth process ... 
thanks Adj.... 
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adj - Is a zygote or an embryo a human being? as soon a a human cell is created it is a cell of a human (thus back to the def of man/men) and the doi protects their right to life upon being created by their creator what they are not created till they are born uh if that was the case there would be no embryo an embro is a human (man/men) creation when it is inside a human (man/men) it matters not the development stage but only that it was created men Noun the plural of man man (mn) n. pl. men (mn) 1. An adult male human. 2. A human regardless of sex or age; a person. the free dictionary that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, it does not say all men that are born it says all men a human cell is a human (note #2 regardless of age) adj - you skirted the question. Do you believe that a zygote or an embroy are human beings, not human cells, was my question. Human cells can be made from stem cells and can be made in a laboratory setting. and we are talking about embryo cells (now who is doing the interpreting) show me where I am interpreting - relating facts. I asked you a question (fact) Human cells are able to be made in a laboratory setting (fact) |
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again...so let's stop everyone from smoking pot or another drugs, radiation and any other procedure that kills cells
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adj - Is a zygote or an embryo a human being? Fran and I discussed this once upon a time.
Fertilization in the uterine tube. 24 hours later - zygote. Then they divide into more cells (cleavage) and become blastomeres. Then they cleavage some more and three days later it becomes a solid ball of 16 cells called a morula. Then it becomes a blastocyst. The blastocyst goes into the uterine cavity and remains unattached for about 3 days. About the sixth day, the blastocyst begins to attach itself to the uterine lining. That is the period of cleavage - the first week of implantation. The embryonic stage is the 2nd week to the 8th week. It doesn't have an umbilical cord and hasn't used anything from the mother yet. 
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when someone gets pregnant due to rape or molestation or incest etc...then get back to me on whether it is black and white
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when someone gets pregnant due to rape or molestation or incest etc...then get back to me on whether it is black and white Nothing as simple as a personal choice will ever be black or white - as there will always be someone somewhere who thinks we should all think and act alike. |
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when someone gets pregnant due to rape or molestation or incest etc...then get back to me on whether it is black and white Nothing as simple as a personal choice will ever be black or white - as there will always be someone somewhere who thinks we should all think and act alike. i agree...but this tends to get ignored. until people are in that situation...they have no clue. they can say how they feel now but until you walk in someone's shoes...don't judge and I assure you...it won't be black and white as people think now. BTW...i'm not saying you as in you fran lol |
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when someone gets pregnant due to rape or molestation or incest etc...then get back to me on whether it is black and white Nothing as simple as a personal choice will ever be black or white - as there will always be someone somewhere who thinks we should all think and act alike. i agree...but this tends to get ignored. until people are in that situation...they have no clue. they can say how they feel now but until you walk in someone's shoes...don't judge and I assure you...it won't be black and white as people think now. BTW...i'm not saying you as in you fran lol I gotcha - not taking it personally and truly cannot imagine going through what you and many others have had to endure
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I'm good fran and my son is my world
...but it was my choice. I have had an abortion because of my medical condition. i would have died and not been around for my son. the people that can have an abortion and it doesn't effect them are a small minority. it is a traumatic and painful experience
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adj - Is a zygote or an embryo a human being? as soon a a human cell is created it is a cell of a human (thus back to the def of man/men) and the doi protects their right to life upon being created by their creator what they are not created till they are born uh if that was the case there would be no embryo an embro is a human (man/men) creation when it is inside a human (man/men) it matters not the development stage but only that it was created men Noun the plural of man man (mn) n. pl. men (mn) 1. An adult male human. 2. A human regardless of sex or age; a person. the free dictionary that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, it does not say all men that are born it says all men a human cell is a human (note #2 regardless of age) and regardless of the stage of development
and i think that men should have the right to have their say here too maybe they don't get pregnant but some men are more into parenthood 
than their female counterparts 
and they should have the right to be a Father too
it takes two to tango 
and just because we ladies give birth
unlike seahorses where the male gives birth
I think that the man's rights for parenthood should be considered
just because we have been given the gift ..
and let me reiterate ....it is a very precious gift ....
and not to be taken lightly 
and here again...
i am not talking to any one in particular
but...
Just because We ladies have been given the exquisite Gift
of bringing new life into the world
it doesn't mean that we have the exclusive right
to determine if that baby lives or dies 
and please do not tell me that I haven't been in the situation
because i have not shared any of my personal experiences
so
no one can tell me that i don't know what i am talking about
i had three children before many of you were even born
or out of diapers 
and before many of you were out of adolescence
I am just trying to protect the unborn babies
and to protect their right to live
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when someone gets pregnant due to rape or molestation or incest etc...then get back to me on whether it is black and white That's why I think it should never be illegal - rape, incest, health of mother. |
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rapunzel..whatever your experiences were...YOU made the choice. not everyone feels that way and should have the right to their own choice
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when someone gets pregnant due to rape or molestation or incest etc...then get back to me on whether it is black and white That's why I think it should never be illegal - rape, incest, health of mother. plus there are young girls that are scared...maybe don't have family support or they have abusive parents etc. |
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so what gives some people the right to decide what another should do? there could be many factors involved (other than just unprotected sex)
take rape, incest, molestation....who has the right to determine what the mother should do after enduring the experience of getting pregnant in the first place? |
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Edited by
franshade
on
Wed 05/20/09 10:09 AM
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and regardless of the stage of development
and i think that men should have the right to have their say here too maybe they don't get pregnant but some men are more into parenthood
than their female counterparts
and they should have the right to be a Father too
men can have a say but the woman has the decision to make it takes two to tango
and just because we ladies give birth
unlike seahorses where the male gives birth
I think that the man's rights for parenthood should be considered
men are no longer a necessity but a commodity when it comes to becoming pregnant just because we have been given the gift ..
and let me reiterate ....it is a very precious gift ....
and not to be taken lightly
and here again...
i am not talking to any one in particular
I take nothing personally on these forums, I come, share and try to learn the motives of others and their reasoning. So no harm done here but...
Just because We ladies have been given the exquisite Gift
of bringing new life into the world
it doesn't mean that we have the exclusive right
to determine if that baby lives or dies
my body my womb my choice and please do not tell me that I haven't been in the situation
because i have not shared any of my personal experiences
so
no one can tell me that i don't know what i am talking about
i had three children before many of you were even born
or out of diapers
and before many of you were out of adolescence
I am just trying to protect the unborn babies
and to protect their right to live
so then with this last statement, you too would agree that as you know of your situations - you made the right decision for you, not someone else, correct? you made decisions that were right for you, why would you want to take away anyone's rights to do whats right for them? |
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when someone gets pregnant due to rape or molestation or incest etc...then get back to me on whether it is black and white That's why I think it should never be illegal - rape, incest, health of mother. where did anyone say it was black and white it matters not the color white white white red black red red brown yellow brown black yellow brown white or any other color combo you can think of
there is a debate on the floor and it is being debated when it comes to the points of law emotion like religion should bear no weight imo you may say i am bad guy for the points i am making feel free but they are ligit points that could be argued in court thus consider me the guy prepping the pro choice advocate
but then again i am giving the pro life another case to argue as well [dang this being a libra is a pain in the brain]
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when someone gets pregnant due to rape or molestation or incest etc...then get back to me on whether it is black and white That's why I think it should never be illegal - rape, incest, health of mother. where did anyone say it was black and white it matters not the color white white white red black red red brown yellow brown black yellow brown white or any other color combo you can think of
there is a debate on the floor and it is being debated when it comes to the points of law emotion like religion should bear no weight imo you may say i am bad guy for the points i am making feel free but they are ligit points that could be argued in court thus consider me the guy prepping the pro choice advocate
but then again i am giving the pro life another case to argue as well [dang this being a libra is a pain in the brain]
a little further south adj
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<---gonna give adj a wedgie
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rapunzel..whatever your experiences were...YOU made the choice. not everyone feels that way and should have the right to their own choice i understand that ...& i am proud of my decisions
but we are not talking about the choices of the color of carpet
or what dress to wear today ... 
we are talking about human life
and people can try to disguise it , but the truth remains
I still have the right to say it is wrong
everyone has to face the repercussions of their actions
whether they be good  or bad...
and deal with the choices we make
it doesn't mean that we are doomed to forever damnation
or that God will not forgive us for our mistakes 
that is why Christ Died on the Cross
to take on all the sins of the World
and so i am not judging anyone
i don't know any of you well enough to make an assumption
or to gather any real opinions of any of you
God is the Judge and He will execute justice once and for all 
I am His Child making observations & opinions
and bringing a very tender subject to the forefront
to offer love and understanding
and to help encourage women
who are in a situation they feel 
that they cannot get out of
to adopt rather than abort
This is a chance to get it right next time
so that we don't keep making the same mistakes
We could debate this till we are blue in the face...
but in certain things I am not flexible
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