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so....iran tells us to butt out for nothing? 
yes, that is exactly what they are doing. The Ayahtolla HAS to portray it as an American conspiracy. He could never admit that the people actually didnt support his every whim and have a mind of their own. So it MUST be the Americans |
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Edited by
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Sun 06/21/09 09:07 PM
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then can someone put a muzzle on H Clinton....she seems to be pushing wars and tough talk  More like put a muzzle on John "Bomb Iran" Mccain and Anne Coulter who been trying all week to screw the iranian people over yet again.
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton confirmed Monday that as president she would be willing to use nuclear weapons against Iran if it were to launch a nuclear attack on Israel. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24246275/ she talks big Ha!Yeah right! 
Half of America would be destroyed and Hillary would still be debating with Al gore the effects of the use of nuclear weapons on the enviroment and all that other BS.America is as soft as hot butter right now and you know why?Obama is like a geek in high school that you can trip,beat up,knock the books out of his hands,and make fun of because everyone knows he isn't going to do anything but say "uh,uh,well um,uh,uh,".I think even if you had a entire army about to invade this country Obama would still be up there saying we can hold hands and sing "we are the world" and everything will be ok. Lets face it now that Bush is gone Iran,North korea,Russia,and many others are going to have a free for all.Obama get some ***** and send a fleet of ships,50 or so bombers with nuclear bombs,and a lot of attitude and tell those idiots either to stop what they are doing or they are going up in a ball of flame. |
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and we are still doing that. Hilary sure talks tough lately. Same with N Korea. why should we get into it as much as we are? there are countries closer to them that should do something IMO We oppressed the people of Iran in the 70s when we backed the dictator Shah.Then when they overthrew him,we gave Saddam Hussein biological and chemical weapons to use against the Iranians when he attacked them. Then after 9-11 we called Iran evil and terrorists and Bush repeatedly threatened them although the Iranians have never done anything to us.
that's pretty accurate. but if we hadn't have promoted Pahlavi (who was a legitimate heir to the Peacock Throne) then the Soviets would have taken over like they did in Poland and Checkoslovakia. Iran (at the time) was on the border of the Soviet Union and they desperately wanted it  We should have done the right thing and stood for freedom back then. The Iranian have been treated very badly by us for several decades now.
Ahh...but didn't they hold 30 Americans from our embassy hostage during the Carter years? |
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then can someone put a muzzle on H Clinton....she seems to be pushing wars and tough talk More like put a muzzle on John "Bomb Iran" Mccain and Anne Coulter who been trying all week to screw the iranian people over yet again.
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton confirmed Monday that as president she would be willing to use nuclear weapons against Iran if it were to launch a nuclear attack on Israel. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24246275/ she talks big Ha!Yeah right!
Half of America would be destroyed and Hillary would still be debating with Al gore the effects of the use of nuclear weapons on the enviroment and all that other BS.America is as soft as hot butter right now and you know why?Obama is like a geek in high school that you can trip,beat up,knock the books out of his hands,and make fun of because everyone knows he isn't going to do anything but say "uh,uh,well um,uh,uh,".I think even if you had a entire army about to invade this country Obama would still be up there saying we can hold hands and sing "we are the world" and everything will be ok. Lets face it now that Bush is gone Iran,North korea,Russia,and many others are going to have a free for all.Obama get some ***** and send a fleet of ships,50 or so bombers with nuclear bombs,and a lot of attitude and tell those idiots either to stop what they are doing or they are going up in a ball of flame.  Okay Thomas,first of all Bush didn't do anything with North Korea except give in to their blackmail for food (which is actually what that starving country is doing). Second of all, I remember when Bush said he looked in Russian President Vladimir Putins "soul" and said he trusted him. (Remember Bush nicknamed him "Pootypoo") Third, you are saying we should bomb and nuke the people of Iran for just wanting to be free. That doesn't seem rational either.
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and we are still doing that. Hilary sure talks tough lately. Same with N Korea. why should we get into it as much as we are? there are countries closer to them that should do something IMO We oppressed the people of Iran in the 70s when we backed the dictator Shah.Then when they overthrew him,we gave Saddam Hussein biological and chemical weapons to use against the Iranians when he attacked them. Then after 9-11 we called Iran evil and terrorists and Bush repeatedly threatened them although the Iranians have never done anything to us.
that's pretty accurate. but if we hadn't have promoted Pahlavi (who was a legitimate heir to the Peacock Throne) then the Soviets would have taken over like they did in Poland and Checkoslovakia. Iran (at the time) was on the border of the Soviet Union and they desperately wanted it We should have done the right thing and stood for freedom back then. The Iranian have been treated very badly by us for several decades now.
Ahh...but didn't they hold 30 Americans from our embassy hostage during the Carter years? Remember before that,our pal the "Bloody" Shah of Iran?
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then can someone put a muzzle on H Clinton....she seems to be pushing wars and tough talk More like put a muzzle on John "Bomb Iran" Mccain and Anne Coulter who been trying all week to screw the iranian people over yet again.
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton confirmed Monday that as president she would be willing to use nuclear weapons against Iran if it were to launch a nuclear attack on Israel. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24246275/ she talks big Ha!Yeah right!
Half of America would be destroyed and Hillary would still be debating with Al gore the effects of the use of nuclear weapons on the enviroment and all that other BS.America is as soft as hot butter right now and you know why?Obama is like a geek in high school that you can trip,beat up,knock the books out of his hands,and make fun of because everyone knows he isn't going to do anything but say "uh,uh,well um,uh,uh,".I think even if you had a entire army about to invade this country Obama would still be up there saying we can hold hands and sing "we are the world" and everything will be ok. Lets face it now that Bush is gone Iran,North korea,Russia,and many others are going to have a free for all.Obama get some ***** and send a fleet of ships,50 or so bombers with nuclear bombs,and a lot of attitude and tell those idiots either to stop what they are doing or they are going up in a ball of flame. Okay Thomas,first of all Bush didn't do anything with North Korea except give in to their blackmail for food (which is actually what that starving country is doing). Second of all, I remember when Bush said he looked in Russian President Vladimir Putins "soul" and said he trusted him. (Remember Bush nicknamed him "Pootypoo") Third, you are saying we should bomb and nuke the people of Iran for just wanting to be free. That doesn't seem rational either.
I'm not saying we have to nuke anyone.I am just saying speak softly and carry a big stick.If the people think we are about send them up in a ball of flame it would surely make them think twice about what they are saying about destroying America and Isreal espcially if you have a wave of bombers ready to destroy your country.Although Bush got many things wrong nations knew better than to mess with us.I remember when Sadaam was talking about war to America and Bush said "all options were on the table"including nuclear weapons if Sadaam started a war with us.Iran has been working on this nuclear bomb for years.They have been warned enough times and it's time we bombed that facility and the house of the President who runs that country.They can get a new President and the problem will be solved.The people of Iran will be happy and so will most of the world |
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then can someone put a muzzle on H Clinton....she seems to be pushing wars and tough talk More like put a muzzle on John "Bomb Iran" Mccain and Anne Coulter who been trying all week to screw the iranian people over yet again.
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton confirmed Monday that as president she would be willing to use nuclear weapons against Iran if it were to launch a nuclear attack on Israel. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24246275/ she talks big Ha!Yeah right!
Half of America would be destroyed and Hillary would still be debating with Al gore the effects of the use of nuclear weapons on the enviroment and all that other BS.America is as soft as hot butter right now and you know why?Obama is like a geek in high school that you can trip,beat up,knock the books out of his hands,and make fun of because everyone knows he isn't going to do anything but say "uh,uh,well um,uh,uh,".I think even if you had a entire army about to invade this country Obama would still be up there saying we can hold hands and sing "we are the world" and everything will be ok. Lets face it now that Bush is gone Iran,North korea,Russia,and many others are going to have a free for all.Obama get some ***** and send a fleet of ships,50 or so bombers with nuclear bombs,and a lot of attitude and tell those idiots either to stop what they are doing or they are going up in a ball of flame. Okay Thomas,first of all Bush didn't do anything with North Korea except give in to their blackmail for food (which is actually what that starving country is doing). Second of all, I remember when Bush said he looked in Russian President Vladimir Putins "soul" and said he trusted him. (Remember Bush nicknamed him "Pootypoo") Third, you are saying we should bomb and nuke the people of Iran for just wanting to be free. That doesn't seem rational either.
I'm not saying we have to nuke anyone.I am just saying speak softly and carry a big stick.If the people think we are about send them up in a ball of flame it would surely make them think twice about what they are saying about destroying America and Isreal espcially if you have a wave of bombers ready to destroy your country.Although Bush got many things wrong nations knew better than to mess with us.I remember when Sadaam was talking about war to America and Bush said "all options were on the table"including nuclear weapons if Sadaam started a war with us.Iran has been working on this nuclear bomb for years.They have been warned enough times and it's time we bombed that facility and the house of the President who runs that country.They can get a new President and the problem will be solved.The people of Iran will be happy and so will most of the world We have countries thinking we would nuke them (Iran for one) and it only causes them to be frightened ,and become even more extremist ,and pursue nukes of their own.Thats what happened with Iran.Saddam never attacked us but we attacked Iraq everytime (after we gave him chemical and bio-WMD to use on the Iranian people in the 80s) And we can't really force anyone not to make nukes, but instead try to make deals with them not to, because we dont rule the world. Bombing or attacking Iran in anyway will totally ruin it for all those people standing up to the regime over there, because the last thing they want is to be seen as being connected with us. And believing Israel about anything to do with the MiddleEast is a recipe for disaster. (They have their own agenda). Israel has misled and lied to us so many times now. Israel isnt an "bad" country but we are gradually learning that they are misleading us about things in order to get us to do their dirtywork.
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What's sad is that so many people are under the thumb of one or two men, and the soldiers who are citizens themselves do their bidding. If I was a soldier I would find it difficult to harm my own fellow citizens, but I guess that is what brainwashing does. Just as with north Korea, the people are powerless against their leader and his army. It's one reason I never want to see the armed forces here have that much power over their own kind. If I am wrong, feel free to enlighten me. Its much more complicated than that. Iran is a democracy but the republican faction of their country has just stoled an election and the people are sick of their crap. The protesters and most of the people are the liberals fighting against the crappy republican goverment they have had for the last few years. The goverment and police forces is also split
The Iranian government is not a republic... Or any other form of normal government. Iran is a THEORACY. A democratic facade COMPLETELY controlled by a supreme religious leader. Kinda lame to sneek your political disenchantment with our own government into a conversation about some other screwed up system. Just to be clear... There is no real difference between democrats and republicans... |
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What's sad is that so many people are under the thumb of one or two men, and the soldiers who are citizens themselves do their bidding. If I was a soldier I would find it difficult to harm my own fellow citizens, but I guess that is what brainwashing does. Just as with north Korea, the people are powerless against their leader and his army. It's one reason I never want to see the armed forces here have that much power over their own kind. If I am wrong, feel free to enlighten me. Its much more complicated than that. Iran is a democracy but the republican faction of their country has just stoled an election and the people are sick of their crap. The protesters and most of the people are the liberals fighting against the crappy republican goverment they have had for the last few years. The goverment and police forces is also split
The Iranian government is not a republic... Or any other form of normal government. Iran is a THEORACY. A democratic facade COMPLETELY controlled by a supreme religious leader. Kinda lame to sneek your political disenchantment with our own government into a conversation about some other screwed up system. Just to be clear... There is no real difference between democrats and republicans... That is what they have right now. They did have a two tiered goverment.A democratic beauracracy, and the Mullahs (led by the Ayatollah) with a kind of "veto" power functioning as something similar to the Supreme Court.
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What's sad is that so many people are under the thumb of one or two men, and the soldiers who are citizens themselves do their bidding. If I was a soldier I would find it difficult to harm my own fellow citizens, but I guess that is what brainwashing does. Just as with north Korea, the people are powerless against their leader and his army. It's one reason I never want to see the armed forces here have that much power over their own kind. If I am wrong, feel free to enlighten me. Its much more complicated than that. Iran is a democracy but the republican faction of their country has just stoled an election and the people are sick of their crap. The protesters and most of the people are the liberals fighting against the crappy republican goverment they have had for the last few years. The goverment and police forces is also split
The Iranian government is not a republic... Or any other form of normal government. Iran is a THEORACY. A democratic facade COMPLETELY controlled by a supreme religious leader. Kinda lame to sneek your political disenchantment with our own government into a conversation about some other screwed up system. Just to be clear... There is no real difference between democrats and republicans... That is what they have right now. They did have a two tiered goverment.A democratic beauracracy, and the Mullahs (led by the Ayatollah) with a kind of "veto" power functioning as something similar to the Supreme Court.
Two tiered yes... But still a theoracy... Veto means control when used right. When religious death squads are allowd by a government the people loose... |
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What's sad is that so many people are under the thumb of one or two men, and the soldiers who are citizens themselves do their bidding. If I was a soldier I would find it difficult to harm my own fellow citizens, but I guess that is what brainwashing does. Just as with north Korea, the people are powerless against their leader and his army. It's one reason I never want to see the armed forces here have that much power over their own kind. If I am wrong, feel free to enlighten me. Its much more complicated than that. Iran is a democracy but the republican faction of their country has just stoled an election and the people are sick of their crap. The protesters and most of the people are the liberals fighting against the crappy republican goverment they have had for the last few years. The goverment and police forces is also split
The Iranian government is not a republic... Or any other form of normal government. Iran is a THEORACY. A democratic facade COMPLETELY controlled by a supreme religious leader. Kinda lame to sneek your political disenchantment with our own government into a conversation about some other screwed up system. Just to be clear... There is no real difference between democrats and republicans... That is what they have right now. They did have a two tiered goverment.A democratic beauracracy, and the Mullahs (led by the Ayatollah) with a kind of "veto" power functioning as something similar to the Supreme Court.
Two tiered yes... But still a theoracy... Veto means control when used right. When religious death squads are allowd by a government the people loose... That is the right wing faction. Achdamenijad is from the right wing conservative faction in Iran.He is basically their "Bush".He appeals to the religious nut types in a similar fashion as the religious right republicans appeal to the evangelicals here in this country.The protesters are made up of the liberal faction of that country.
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What's sad is that so many people are under the thumb of one or two men, and the soldiers who are citizens themselves do their bidding. If I was a soldier I would find it difficult to harm my own fellow citizens, but I guess that is what brainwashing does. Just as with north Korea, the people are powerless against their leader and his army. It's one reason I never want to see the armed forces here have that much power over their own kind. If I am wrong, feel free to enlighten me. Its much more complicated than that. Iran is a democracy but the republican faction of their country has just stoled an election and the people are sick of their crap. The protesters and most of the people are the liberals fighting against the crappy republican goverment they have had for the last few years. The goverment and police forces is also split
The Iranian government is not a republic... Or any other form of normal government. Iran is a THEORACY. A democratic facade COMPLETELY controlled by a supreme religious leader. Kinda lame to sneek your political disenchantment with our own government into a conversation about some other screwed up system. Just to be clear... There is no real difference between democrats and republicans... That is what they have right now. They did have a two tiered goverment.A democratic beauracracy, and the Mullahs (led by the Ayatollah) with a kind of "veto" power functioning as something similar to the Supreme Court.
Two tiered yes... But still a theoracy... Veto means control when used right. When religious death squads are allowd by a government the people loose... That is the right wing faction. Achdamenijad is from the right wing conservative faction in Iran.He is basically their "Bush".He appeals to the religious nut types in a similar fashion as the religious right republicans appeal to the evangelicals here in this country.The protesters are made up of the liberal faction of that country.
beg to differ... The protesters are made up of PEOPLE fed up with the system... I am sure it ain't over yet. This kind of behavior from the Iranain citizens only happens when they want change... and judging from past experiance they won't stop till they get it. |
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Edited by
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Mon 06/22/09 12:33 PM
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What's sad is that so many people are under the thumb of one or two men, and the soldiers who are citizens themselves do their bidding. If I was a soldier I would find it difficult to harm my own fellow citizens, but I guess that is what brainwashing does. Just as with north Korea, the people are powerless against their leader and his army. It's one reason I never want to see the armed forces here have that much power over their own kind. If I am wrong, feel free to enlighten me. Its much more complicated than that. Iran is a democracy but the republican faction of their country has just stoled an election and the people are sick of their crap. The protesters and most of the people are the liberals fighting against the crappy republican goverment they have had for the last few years. The goverment and police forces is also split
The Iranian government is not a republic... Or any other form of normal government. Iran is a THEORACY. A democratic facade COMPLETELY controlled by a supreme religious leader. Kinda lame to sneek your political disenchantment with our own government into a conversation about some other screwed up system. Just to be clear... There is no real difference between democrats and republicans... That is what they have right now. They did have a two tiered goverment.A democratic beauracracy, and the Mullahs (led by the Ayatollah) with a kind of "veto" power functioning as something similar to the Supreme Court.
Two tiered yes... But still a theoracy... Veto means control when used right. When religious death squads are allowd by a government the people loose... That is the right wing faction. Achdamenijad is from the right wing conservative faction in Iran.He is basically their "Bush".He appeals to the religious nut types in a similar fashion as the religious right republicans appeal to the evangelicals here in this country.The protesters are made up of the liberal faction of that country.
beg to differ... The protesters are made up of PEOPLE fed up with the system... I am sure it ain't over yet. This kind of behavior from the Iranain citizens only happens when they want change... and judging from past experiance they won't stop till they get it. Thats cool Adventure, but Achdamenijad is representative of the conservative faction in that country.The protestors are made up largely of college students,city people, and women who want more freedoms.Thats the liberal faction.There liberals arnt as "liberal" as ours but that is indeed what they are.And their conservative are far more right wing than ours but never the less that is what they are
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Edited by
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then can someone put a muzzle on H Clinton....she seems to be pushing wars and tough talk More like put a muzzle on John "Bomb Iran" Mccain and Anne Coulter who been trying all week to screw the iranian people over yet again.
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton confirmed Monday that as president she would be willing to use nuclear weapons against Iran if it were to launch a nuclear attack on Israel. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24246275/ she talks big Ha!Yeah right!
Half of America would be destroyed and Hillary would still be debating with Al gore the effects of the use of nuclear weapons on the enviroment and all that other BS.America is as soft as hot butter right now and you know why?Obama is like a geek in high school that you can trip,beat up,knock the books out of his hands,and make fun of because everyone knows he isn't going to do anything but say "uh,uh,well um,uh,uh,".I think even if you had a entire army about to invade this country Obama would still be up there saying we can hold hands and sing "we are the world" and everything will be ok. Lets face it now that Bush is gone Iran,North korea,Russia,and many others are going to have a free for all.Obama get some ***** and send a fleet of ships,50 or so bombers with nuclear bombs,and a lot of attitude and tell those idiots either to stop what they are doing or they are going up in a ball of flame. I'd personally love to see you try to beat Obama up. As for Iran NK Russsia, what exactly would you like to see? The whole damn world in a war? Geezuz, thankfully Bush is NOT the president. |
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then can someone put a muzzle on H Clinton....she seems to be pushing wars and tough talk More like put a muzzle on John "Bomb Iran" Mccain and Anne Coulter who been trying all week to screw the iranian people over yet again.
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton confirmed Monday that as president she would be willing to use nuclear weapons against Iran if it were to launch a nuclear attack on Israel. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24246275/ she talks big Ha!Yeah right!
Half of America would be destroyed and Hillary would still be debating with Al gore the effects of the use of nuclear weapons on the enviroment and all that other BS.America is as soft as hot butter right now and you know why?Obama is like a geek in high school that you can trip,beat up,knock the books out of his hands,and make fun of because everyone knows he isn't going to do anything but say "uh,uh,well um,uh,uh,".I think even if you had a entire army about to invade this country Obama would still be up there saying we can hold hands and sing "we are the world" and everything will be ok. Lets face it now that Bush is gone Iran,North korea,Russia,and many others are going to have a free for all.Obama get some ***** and send a fleet of ships,50 or so bombers with nuclear bombs,and a lot of attitude and tell those idiots either to stop what they are doing or they are going up in a ball of flame. Okay Thomas,first of all Bush didn't do anything with North Korea except give in to their blackmail for food (which is actually what that starving country is doing). Second of all, I remember when Bush said he looked in Russian President Vladimir Putins "soul" and said he trusted him. (Remember Bush nicknamed him "Pootypoo") Third, you are saying we should bomb and nuke the people of Iran for just wanting to be free. That doesn't seem rational either.
I'm not saying we have to nuke anyone.I am just saying speak softly and carry a big stick.If the people think we are about send them up in a ball of flame it would surely make them think twice about what they are saying about destroying America and Isreal espcially if you have a wave of bombers ready to destroy your country.Although Bush got many things wrong nations knew better than to mess with us.I remember when Sadaam was talking about war to America and Bush said "all options were on the table"including nuclear weapons if Sadaam started a war with us.Iran has been working on this nuclear bomb for years.They have been warned enough times and it's time we bombed that facility and the house of the President who runs that country.They can get a new President and the problem will be solved.The people of Iran will be happy and so will most of the world I don't know where you have been lately but that is seriously naive. |
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wow!!!
some people sound nuckin futz! some things to watch for in the coming days The Assembly of Experts "According to the Iranian Constitution, the assembly is in charge of supervising, dismissing and electing the Supreme Leader. In the event of his death, resignation or dismissal, the Experts shall take steps within the shortest possible time to appoint a new Leader.[6] "Whenever the Leader becomes incapable of fulfilling his constitutional duties, or loses one of the qualifications mentioned in the Constitution, or it becomes known that he did not possess some of the qualifications initially, he will be dismissed." The assembly has never dismissed a sitting Supreme Leader, and as all of their meetings and notes are strictly confidential, the assembly has never been known to challenge or otherwise publicly oversee any of the Supreme Leader's decisions. The Experts are to review and consult among themselves concerning Islamic jurists possessing the qualifications of leadership. Constitutionally these criteria include "Islamic scholarship, justice, piety, right political and social perspicacity, prudence, courage, administrative facilities and adequate capability for leadership."In the event they find one of the jurists better versed in Islamic regulations, the subjects of the Fiqh, or in political and social issues, or possessing general popularity or special prominence for any of the qualifications of leadership, they shall elect him as Supreme Leader. Otherwise, in the absence of such a candidate, the Experts shall elect and declare one of themselves as Supreme Leader." -wiki the current chairman of the assembly is Hashemi Rafsanjani. He was President of Iran from '89 to '97 and lost the election to Ahmadinejad in 2005. He is reported to be hostile to Ahmadinejad and is considered to be a centrist and a moderate towards the United States His daughter and four other relatives were arrested yesterday |
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I think that Obama's doing the right thing thus far.
1. He has to deal with Iran in the future. 2. We shouldn't be meddling in their internal affairs. I don't understand why the Republicans are pushing him to do differently. |
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