Topic: Sarkozy Backs Drive to Eliminate the Burqa
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Mon 06/22/09 09:11 PM

Sarkozy Backs Drive to Eliminate the Burqa

By DOREEN CARVAJAL
Published: June 22, 2009

VERSAILLES, France — President Nicolas Sarkozy addressed Parliament on Monday, laying out a vision of France that included a withering critique of burqas as an unacceptable symbol of “enslavement.”

Speaking at the Palace of Versailles, Mr. Sarkozy confronted one of the most hotly debated social issues in France, saying there was no room in the republic for burqas, the garments that some Muslim women wear to cloak their bodies and faces.

“The issue of the burqa is not a religious issue. It is a question of freedom and of women’s dignity,” Mr. Sarkozy said. “The burqa is not a religious sign. It is a sign of the subjugation, of the submission, of women.”

To enthusiastic applause, he said, “I want to say solemnly that it will not be welcome on our territory.”

Mr. Sarkozy gave his speech, a sober, wide-ranging address, in the first presidential appearance before Parliament since Charles Louis-Napoléon Bonaparte’s in the 19th century.

Presidents had been barred from entering Parliament since 1875, to protect the independence of lawmakers. But reforms carried out last summer through Mr. Sarkozy’s party opened the way for him to speak to Parliament.

Mr. Sarkozy entered through rows of French guards with raised swords, then delivered an American-style state-of-the-nation address that sketched out his view of France’s future.

Though he also spoke at length about the economy, Mr. Sarkozy’s strongest comments were about burqas. France has the largest Muslim population in Western Europe, estimated at five million, and traditional Islamic garments have been a divisive issue, especially since 2004, when the country passed legislation prohibiting head scarves and conspicuous religious symbols from public schools.

Mr. Sarkozy said that “in the republic, the Muslim religion must be respected like other religions.” But he declared, “the burqa is not welcome in France.” He added, “We cannot accept in our country women imprisoned behind bars, cut off from social life, deprived of identity.”

The president gave his support to a cross-party initiative by about 60 legislators who proposed that a parliamentary commission study the burqa and methods to combat its spread.

Mohammed Moussaoui, the president of France’s Representative Muslim Council, said he agreed with Mr. Sarkozy’s position on burqas, calling them “an extremely marginal phenomenon.” He said his group promoted a moderate version of Islam.

“When we meet women who wear it, we try to educate them, and explain to them that moderation is a better choice,” he said.

The council, however, has spoken out against the need to conduct a study on the burqa, saying that one would risk stigmatizing Islam and Muslims in France.

“We’d rather not have a commission on the subject,” Mr. Moussaoui said. “But if it was created, we will stay vigilant that French Muslims are not stigmatized, that the president’s words are respected.”

. . .

Maïa de la Baume and Nadim Audi contributed reporting from Paris.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/23/world/europe/23france.html?_r=1

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Mon 06/22/09 09:15 PM
France laugh

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Mon 06/22/09 09:17 PM
Edited by Atlantis75 on Mon 06/22/09 09:20 PM
Speaking at the Palace of Versailles, Mr. Sarkozy confronted one of the most hotly debated social issues in France, saying there was no room in the republic for burqas, the garments that some Muslim women wear to cloak their bodies and faces.


I rather find this a sad thing.

France's most hotly debated social issue is whether to wear burqa or not?

What is that place becoming? New-Saudi-Arabia? Well excuse me and don't call me any names, but although France has a giant influx of Muslim immigrants and many are now born aboard, but what I see is the destruction of French culture. What's next? Next time they gonna elect a Mullah instead of a prime minister?

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Mon 06/22/09 09:18 PM
so they are TELLING them they can't wear it??? isn't that taking away their freedoms to make a choice?

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Mon 06/22/09 09:20 PM

so they are TELLING them they can't wear it??? isn't that taking away their freedoms to make a choice?


It's not about choice. It's about controlling women.

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Mon 06/22/09 09:20 PM
I was kinda offended by the women being forced to wear em until I saw a couple of interviews with some women who said they CHOOSE to wear em. The Koran is all about modesty in women and that is they way they choose to express their modesty

so if he is outlawing them I cant agree with it

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Mon 06/22/09 09:22 PM

so they are TELLING them they can't wear it??? isn't that taking away their freedoms to make a choice?




Mohammed Moussaoui, the president of France’s Representative Muslim Council, said he agreed with Mr. Sarkozy’s position on burqas, calling them “an extremely marginal phenomenon.” He said his group promoted a moderate version of Islam.

“When we meet women who wear it, we try to educate them, and explain to them that moderation is a better choice,” he said.


Maybe this means most of the Muslims aren't bothered by it?

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Mon 06/22/09 09:23 PM
Burquas are HAWT!!!!! I always imagine them with Garters, stilletos, and a bottle of brandy under that Burkha. Middle Eastern girls are friggen HAWT!!!!!

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Mon 06/22/09 09:24 PM
I agree with quiet...it's not always about someone MAKING them

making them not wear it is doing the same thing.

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Mon 06/22/09 09:25 PM

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Mon 06/22/09 09:26 PM

Burquas are HAWT!!!!! I always imagine them with Garters, stilletos, and a bottle of brandy under that Burkha. Middle Eastern girls are friggen HAWT!!!!!



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Mon 06/22/09 09:28 PM


Burquas are HAWT!!!!! I always imagine them with Garters, stilletos, and a bottle of brandy under that Burkha. Middle Eastern girls are friggen HAWT!!!!!





That's not gonna happen though. The whole point of the burqa is to cover the entire body and seal the identity of the person. If a woman would did this in Afghanistan, while the Taliban is in power, she would be beheaded.

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Mon 06/22/09 09:31 PM

I was kinda offended by the women being forced to wear em until I saw a couple of interviews with some women who said they CHOOSE to wear em. The Koran is all about modesty in women and that is they way they choose to express their modesty

so if he is outlawing them I cant agree with it


What else are they going to say in an interview, "I'm forced to wear it?" They would be stoned to death.

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Mon 06/22/09 09:33 PM
believe it or not...there ARE women that make the choice to wear it

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Mon 06/22/09 09:38 PM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Mon 06/22/09 09:42 PM
:tongue: Why is Islam taking over the world?:smile:Whose side is GOD on?scared

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Mon 06/22/09 09:40 PM

believe it or not...there ARE women that make the choice to wear it


I really think that number is extremely low. Show me a woman who has the freedom to say what she really believes say she chooses to wear it.

I can't go out in public wearing only a thin sheet of saran wrap, even if I were to claim it was part of my religious belief system. Though I think we could bend that law for you. winking

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Mon 06/22/09 09:43 PM
:tongue: Isn't it getting close to that time when Jesus lands in that giant UFO city on top of Jerusalem and gets out and kills all the nonbelievers like Nostradamus says in the bible:tongue:

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Mon 06/22/09 09:44 PM
Edited by cabot on Mon 06/22/09 09:46 PM

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Mon 06/22/09 09:44 PM


believe it or not...there ARE women that make the choice to wear it


I really think that number is extremely low. Show me a woman who has the freedom to say what she really believes say she chooses to wear it.

I can't go out in public wearing only a thin sheet of saran wrap, even if I were to claim it was part of my religious belief system. Though I think we could bend that law for you. winking


lol no one is stopping you although many would laugh

a former neighbor of mine wore one and had no problems....they were very friendly and her husband had passed away