Carefull.

There are many in here that read and post. There are even more that read
only. These people are quite intelligent, very capable of reading and
have read more posts then you think.

Those that are will see the wiggle wiggle squirm.

All things come to light in season.

hmmmmmmmmmmmm..............

AdventureBegins,

I have been consistant with every single post about scripture. I am
posting what the majority of Christians agree on.

Not to be contrary and submitting this in the humblest of ways...

your post said...
I haven't said that Christians shouldn't obey the Law. I have said that
Christians are under Grace and that the Sabbath was a shadow of Christ.
I have also said that Christians shouldn't argue about deitary
laws/Sabbath. All of that I have provided scriptural support for. '

In a post on another thread you posted that Christians did not have to
obey the law because they were under grace.

So then where have you not said that Christians shouldn't obey the Law.

It is either one or the other. Would you like me to drag up the post I
am talking about.

AdventureBegins,

Please look that up and you will find that I didn't say that. I said
Christians are under Grace, not Law. If you are under Law and you break
a single Law, your punishment must be death. If you are under Grace,
all of your transgressions are forgiven. Christians obey the law out of
love for God, not fear of punishment. We still follow the law, but we
know we won't be punished when we fail.

Sat 05/19/07 11:48 PM
Redykeulous,

I cannot do that. You are either under Grace or under law. If you are
under Law, then Jesus died in vain.

Galatians 2:21
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I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be
gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"

The above was one of your posts.

so which is it.

Grace or law.

As I have shown Grace is not yet complete. Therefore The Laws of God
are not to be thrown aside.

If anyone breaks even the smallest of them they will not see the heaven
they expect.

Through His path you will not be in torment for eternity however in
heaven god will multiply upon you as you have done in this life. What
have you done?

AdventureBegins,

Which is exactly what I've been saying. God's Grace forgives you for
your sins. You still TRY to obey the Law, but if you fail, you are
forgiven. The Law leads to death, because it cannot be followed. Only
Jesus ever followed the Law completely. The meaning of Grace is that
you are forgiven, even though you don't deserve forgiveness. Christians
follow the Law, but we are under Grace.

AdventureBegins,

You have shown nothing! Don't you get it? The Law is still in place,
but if you are covered by Grace, you aren't punished for your
transgressions.

You also have a small post in which you say only that you are not bound
by the law because you are under Grace.

Shall I drag that post out also?

Grace is not complete yet.

But I think I will leave this one for you to think upon.

AdventureBegins,

You have no idea what you are talking about. Christians are under
Grace, that is the message of the Cross. Jesus died for our sins.
Jesus established a new convenent with his believers. Dietary
requirements were removed. Sabbath requirements were removed. Both
were just a shadow of Jesus.

Colossians 2:16-17
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Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or
in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day-- things which
are a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
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Romans 14:5-6
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One person regards one day above another, another regards every day
{alike.} Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. He who
observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for
the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord
he does not eat, and gives thanks to God.
-------------------------------------------------------------

AdventureBegins,

You have no idea what you are talking about. Christians are under
Grace, that is the message of the Cross. Jesus died for our sins.
Jesus established a new convenent with his believers. Dietary
requirements were removed. Sabbath requirements were removed. Both
were just a shadow of Jesus.

Colossians 2:16-17
-------------------------------------------------------------
Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or
in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day-- things which
are a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
-------------------------------------------------------------

Romans 14:5-6
-------------------------------------------------------------
One person regards one day above another, another regards every day
{alike.} Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. He who
observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for
the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord
he does not eat, and gives thanks to God.
-------------------------------------------------------------

I know exactally what I am talking about.

I am neither under grace nor am I under law I am in the glory.

Grace is not yet fulfilled.

Once again I ask you to translate the word adversary into hebrew.

Good post spider to clarify any misconceptions.

Hi bluebox aka milesofsea :)

Add to the confusion is more like it.

spider you have stated that requirements were removed. I believe this
to be both right and wrong.

they will be removed you have that right, however they are not removed
YET for all has not yet been fulfilled.

Mathew

5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets, I am
not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one
tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.(heaven
and earth still exist therefore the law is still in effect)

There are still some prophesies to be fulfilled therefore the law is
still in effect and will remain so untill all are fulfilled.

Why would you wish to confuse people So they may sin more and need come
back to Christ again and again to abase themselves?

Nay I say. Let them strive to be as close to what god would have them
be till all is fulfilled for they may not go to that mystical hell but
they will receive from the lord in just measure what they have sown in
life when they go unto him. I would that their just measure be more of
the good things.

AdventureBegins,

One last time and then I'm done, okay?

1) The Law is still in effect.
2) Jesus is the dietary requirements / Sabbath / sin sacrifice,
therefore if you believe in Jesus, you are keeping those commandments.
3) Those who accept Jesus receive Grace and are forgiven their sins.

Get it? Dietary laws, the Sabbath and the sacrifices were the shadow of
Jesus. Once you accept Jesus, you are fullfilling those requirements
just by existing. When Jesus said "It is done" on the cross, he meant
that his sacrifice was done and now all people could (not are, but
could) be covered by grace. If you still don't get it, then you need to
allow yourself to be broken. Without the Holy Spirit, I don't think you
will ever get it.

Grace does not absolve you of your sins. It offers you forgiveness of
those sins that you will not suffer in 'hell'.

Yet still will God on his day Give unto you in just measure what you
have sown during you time in this existance. You will not. for the
adversary will goad you in that part whic is pride and you will find a
reason to address this issue again. You have in you the words but the
spirit of the words finds you not.

AdventureBegins,

Um...could you just speak English in your posts? Not sure why you go
into a pseudo-old English / Yodaesk mode of speaking, but it's annoying
and funny at the same time.

And yes, I'm sure I'll talk about this issue again. But you just aren't
getting it, so it won't be with you.

I speak as I must.

God says BE and it is so.

God says walk and my feet go.