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Topic: gov't invasion of medical privacy becomes ever-more personal
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Wed 09/02/09 10:51 AM





I've got 2 sons that are circumsized, one that is not. My insurance wouldn't cover the cost of the procedure for the youngest. If it had, he would have been. Simply so that he would be more like his brothers an it wouldn't make him feel weird amongst other boys.

Infection tends to happen when it's not properly taken care of. If kept clean an dry infection shouldn't happen. There's also the risk of infection if not circumsized. I've seen that happen with young boys quite often. I'd rather have a boy circumsized as an infant, then have to have it done at the age of 2 or 3 yrs old. Alot more painful an skeery to them then.

Bottom line, Millions of jews, over hundreds of years can't be wrong.drinker


But those who misinterpret the procedure can be. I once read a piece by a rabbi which described the jewish version as being merely the removal of a tiny piece of flesh, not the whole foreskin. Paul(the apostle of Chirst) later says in his writings that the Christian is circumcised in the spirit when he accepts the holy spirit (thus non-jews need not be cut), while the jew is circumcised in the flesh. (I don't recall the exact passage)


I didn't have my sons done for religious reasons. I had it done for what I felt were medical an personal reasons. shades


If you have time and patience, perhaps you could elaborate on how you reconciled the inherent ethical problems with this? (i.e. performing an unnecessary procedure on someone without their permission that has known potential for harm, altering another person's body unnecessarily without their consent, etc). Please stick to rational ethics and reasoning, if you can. Thanx.


Why all this concern now? Where was this level of concern decades ago. And do you have a problem with young minds being altered by religious beliefs before they are old enough to make a choice?

Parents should be able to opt out of this procedure if they wish.


The concern has been around, and several protest groups have formed (NOCIRC, JAC, PAC, etc). It's just getting more attention now that the webbernet is here. :) yay, webbernet! :)

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Wed 09/02/09 11:46 AM






I've got 2 sons that are circumsized, one that is not. My insurance wouldn't cover the cost of the procedure for the youngest. If it had, he would have been. Simply so that he would be more like his brothers an it wouldn't make him feel weird amongst other boys.

Infection tends to happen when it's not properly taken care of. If kept clean an dry infection shouldn't happen. There's also the risk of infection if not circumsized. I've seen that happen with young boys quite often. I'd rather have a boy circumsized as an infant, then have to have it done at the age of 2 or 3 yrs old. Alot more painful an skeery to them then.

Bottom line, Millions of jews, over hundreds of years can't be wrong.drinker


But those who misinterpret the procedure can be. I once read a piece by a rabbi which described the jewish version as being merely the removal of a tiny piece of flesh, not the whole foreskin. Paul(the apostle of Chirst) later says in his writings that the Christian is circumcised in the spirit when he accepts the holy spirit (thus non-jews need not be cut), while the jew is circumcised in the flesh. (I don't recall the exact passage)


I didn't have my sons done for religious reasons. I had it done for what I felt were medical an personal reasons. shades


If you have time and patience, perhaps you could elaborate on how you reconciled the inherent ethical problems with this? (i.e. performing an unnecessary procedure on someone without their permission that has known potential for harm, altering another person's body unnecessarily without their consent, etc). Please stick to rational ethics and reasoning, if you can. Thanx.


Why all this concern now? Where was this level of concern decades ago. And do you have a problem with young minds being altered by religious beliefs before they are old enough to make a choice?

Parents should be able to opt out of this procedure if they wish.


The concern has been around, and several protest groups have formed (NOCIRC, JAC, PAC, etc). It's just getting more attention now that the webbernet is here. :) yay, webbernet! :)


Just strange that it's all being talked about at this very moment in time. The internet has been around for the average joe for a least 20 years now, just surprised i guess.

Anyway if I had had kids I would have chosen to do it. There are risks either way I agree but for cleanliness more than anything else I probably would have chosen to do it. I don't see men on any grand scale freaking out about it. I do think it looks better. Ya ya but I am gay.. well duh, but I have seen them... lmao

Oh lordy, I'm going to wish I hadn't said that..

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Wed 09/02/09 11:51 AM







I've got 2 sons that are circumsized, one that is not. My insurance wouldn't cover the cost of the procedure for the youngest. If it had, he would have been. Simply so that he would be more like his brothers an it wouldn't make him feel weird amongst other boys.

Infection tends to happen when it's not properly taken care of. If kept clean an dry infection shouldn't happen. There's also the risk of infection if not circumsized. I've seen that happen with young boys quite often. I'd rather have a boy circumsized as an infant, then have to have it done at the age of 2 or 3 yrs old. Alot more painful an skeery to them then.

Bottom line, Millions of jews, over hundreds of years can't be wrong.drinker


But those who misinterpret the procedure can be. I once read a piece by a rabbi which described the jewish version as being merely the removal of a tiny piece of flesh, not the whole foreskin. Paul(the apostle of Chirst) later says in his writings that the Christian is circumcised in the spirit when he accepts the holy spirit (thus non-jews need not be cut), while the jew is circumcised in the flesh. (I don't recall the exact passage)


I didn't have my sons done for religious reasons. I had it done for what I felt were medical an personal reasons. shades


If you have time and patience, perhaps you could elaborate on how you reconciled the inherent ethical problems with this? (i.e. performing an unnecessary procedure on someone without their permission that has known potential for harm, altering another person's body unnecessarily without their consent, etc). Please stick to rational ethics and reasoning, if you can. Thanx.


Why all this concern now? Where was this level of concern decades ago. And do you have a problem with young minds being altered by religious beliefs before they are old enough to make a choice?

Parents should be able to opt out of this procedure if they wish.


The concern has been around, and several protest groups have formed (NOCIRC, JAC, PAC, etc). It's just getting more attention now that the webbernet is here. :) yay, webbernet! :)


Just strange that it's all being talked about at this very moment in time. The internet has been around for the average joe for a least 20 years now, just surprised i guess.

Anyway if I had had kids I would have chosen to do it. There are risks either way I agree but for cleanliness more than anything else I probably would have chosen to do it. I don't see men on any grand scale freaking out about it. I do think it looks better. Ya ya but I am gay.. well duh, but I have seen them... lmao

Oh lordy, I'm going to wish I hadn't said that..


Caught ya' peeking!!laugh laugh laugh

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Wed 09/02/09 11:53 AM
Shame on u Boo!! Boo's been lookin at weiners!! Boo's been lookin at weiners!!:banana:

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Wed 09/02/09 11:56 AM







I've got 2 sons that are circumsized, one that is not. My insurance wouldn't cover the cost of the procedure for the youngest. If it had, he would have been. Simply so that he would be more like his brothers an it wouldn't make him feel weird amongst other boys.

Infection tends to happen when it's not properly taken care of. If kept clean an dry infection shouldn't happen. There's also the risk of infection if not circumsized. I've seen that happen with young boys quite often. I'd rather have a boy circumsized as an infant, then have to have it done at the age of 2 or 3 yrs old. Alot more painful an skeery to them then.

Bottom line, Millions of jews, over hundreds of years can't be wrong.drinker


But those who misinterpret the procedure can be. I once read a piece by a rabbi which described the jewish version as being merely the removal of a tiny piece of flesh, not the whole foreskin. Paul(the apostle of Chirst) later says in his writings that the Christian is circumcised in the spirit when he accepts the holy spirit (thus non-jews need not be cut), while the jew is circumcised in the flesh. (I don't recall the exact passage)


I didn't have my sons done for religious reasons. I had it done for what I felt were medical an personal reasons. shades


If you have time and patience, perhaps you could elaborate on how you reconciled the inherent ethical problems with this? (i.e. performing an unnecessary procedure on someone without their permission that has known potential for harm, altering another person's body unnecessarily without their consent, etc). Please stick to rational ethics and reasoning, if you can. Thanx.


Why all this concern now? Where was this level of concern decades ago. And do you have a problem with young minds being altered by religious beliefs before they are old enough to make a choice?

Parents should be able to opt out of this procedure if they wish.


The concern has been around, and several protest groups have formed (NOCIRC, JAC, PAC, etc). It's just getting more attention now that the webbernet is here. :) yay, webbernet! :)


Just strange that it's all being talked about at this very moment in time. The internet has been around for the average joe for a least 20 years now, just surprised i guess.

Anyway if I had had kids I would have chosen to do it. There are risks either way I agree but for cleanliness more than anything else I probably would have chosen to do it. I don't see men on any grand scale freaking out about it. I do think it looks better. Ya ya but I am gay.. well duh, but I have seen them... lmao

Oh lordy, I'm going to wish I hadn't said that..


awww, say what ya want...laugh
With this there are bigger concerns that just appearances. 2 of my 3 boys I didn't get done, wish I wouldn't have done the first one. It is absolutely the parents option, no doubt about that.

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Wed 09/02/09 12:53 PM








I've got 2 sons that are circumsized, one that is not. My insurance wouldn't cover the cost of the procedure for the youngest. If it had, he would have been. Simply so that he would be more like his brothers an it wouldn't make him feel weird amongst other boys.

Infection tends to happen when it's not properly taken care of. If kept clean an dry infection shouldn't happen. There's also the risk of infection if not circumsized. I've seen that happen with young boys quite often. I'd rather have a boy circumsized as an infant, then have to have it done at the age of 2 or 3 yrs old. Alot more painful an skeery to them then.

Bottom line, Millions of jews, over hundreds of years can't be wrong.drinker


But those who misinterpret the procedure can be. I once read a piece by a rabbi which described the jewish version as being merely the removal of a tiny piece of flesh, not the whole foreskin. Paul(the apostle of Chirst) later says in his writings that the Christian is circumcised in the spirit when he accepts the holy spirit (thus non-jews need not be cut), while the jew is circumcised in the flesh. (I don't recall the exact passage)


I didn't have my sons done for religious reasons. I had it done for what I felt were medical an personal reasons. shades


If you have time and patience, perhaps you could elaborate on how you reconciled the inherent ethical problems with this? (i.e. performing an unnecessary procedure on someone without their permission that has known potential for harm, altering another person's body unnecessarily without their consent, etc). Please stick to rational ethics and reasoning, if you can. Thanx.


Why all this concern now? Where was this level of concern decades ago. And do you have a problem with young minds being altered by religious beliefs before they are old enough to make a choice?

Parents should be able to opt out of this procedure if they wish.


The concern has been around, and several protest groups have formed (NOCIRC, JAC, PAC, etc). It's just getting more attention now that the webbernet is here. :) yay, webbernet! :)


Just strange that it's all being talked about at this very moment in time. The internet has been around for the average joe for a least 20 years now, just surprised i guess.

Anyway if I had had kids I would have chosen to do it. There are risks either way I agree but for cleanliness more than anything else I probably would have chosen to do it. I don't see men on any grand scale freaking out about it. I do think it looks better. Ya ya but I am gay.. well duh, but I have seen them... lmao

Oh lordy, I'm going to wish I hadn't said that..


awww, say what ya want...laugh
With this there are bigger concerns that just appearances. 2 of my 3 boys I didn't get done, wish I wouldn't have done the first one. It is absolutely the parents option, no doubt about that.


LOL I usually do anyway. I think I forgot already why you had chosen not to have it done on your two boys, forgive me I have a ton of stuff on my mind today. but I agree it should be the parents option in this case.

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