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My Truth--Your Truth.
How do you decide Truth? Blessings...Miles |
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The neighbors truth, the garbage man's truth, the one struck with cancer's truth, the 10 year old child's truth...
Truth can not be decided...each one has a truth that is based on their own individual belief system which is based on their own experiences. jmho 
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Truth is limited by ones knowledge and experience. It may be true for one person that cops are not helpful and in another persons life the truth may be that cops are very helpful. We need to understand that the truth is not as valuable as the whole truth.
We need to be open to put the whole picture together from the experiences of all instead of assuming our part of the picture is all there is. |
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My Truth--Your Truth. How do you decide Truth? Blessings...Miles I don't decide truth, truth just is whether or not I decide to perceive it. Now, how to know what to believe? I guess that would be a mix of logic and intuition, in no particular order. |
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There are many false prophets, though some have pieces of the truth. I find that anything that I learn, if it indeed matches what I have experienced, then it has truth to it. Anything that I learn and can not empirically prove with experience and experimentation, is not truth at all.
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Edited by
fiyafly
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Tue 12/08/09 05:23 AM
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I once read that truth is the corolative relationship with reality and actions. So if your actions (thought, words and behaviour) is reflective of the reality of the situation then you have acted truthfully. If however, your perception of reality is flawed or different from the rest of the rational world, then ofcourse your truth would also be different. And you would then align your cognitive behaviour with this alternate reality. In other words truth is a realitive term, determined by majority conceptualisation.
In my humble opinion, Fiya x |
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My Truth--Your Truth. How do you decide Truth? Blessings...Miles I don't decide truth, truth just is whether or not I decide to perceive it. Now, how to know what to believe? I guess that would be a mix of logic and intuition, in no particular order. I agree. truth is relative, but the WHOLE truth is absolute. |
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Truth is limited by ones knowledge and experience. It may be true for one person that cops are not helpful and in another persons life the truth may be that cops are very helpful. We need to understand that the truth is not as valuable as the whole truth. We need to be open to put the whole picture together from the experiences of all instead of assuming our part of the picture is all there is. magnificent!!! i could not agree more. you speak as the agnostic that i am!!!! everything that we have not ourselves experienced is unknowable. bravoooooooo.  
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My Truth--Your Truth. How do you decide Truth? Blessings...Miles I don't decide truth, truth just is whether or not I decide to perceive it. Now, how to know what to believe? I guess that would be a mix of logic and intuition, in no particular order. I agree. truth is relative, but the WHOLE truth is absolute. it's a shame that the whole truth cannot be known. |
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You decide based on what is true for you. There is no absolute truth.
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Edited by
CathyLyn
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Wed 12/09/09 10:06 AM
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Here is absolute truth......
http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup-frame.html |
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Food for thought:
If truth is relative, then what is it worth? Relativity of truth isn't agnosticism, it is existentialism. Truth, by definition, is absolute. A lie cannot be true based on relative perceptions. Truth is factual. Finding it is the only individual experience. The common mistake in the whole process is mistakenly suffixing truth (in the metaphysical/ philosophical sense: concern with ultimate reality) with unquestionable. If something can be questioned, that does not mean it is not absolute, just that perception is flawed in relativity. If one makes a distinction between scientific "truth" and pseudoscientific "truth", they are making a distinction of perception. Agnosticism is abstaining from decisions for lack of evidence. It doesn't mean, "Make up your own truth". In my opinion, the first step for reconciling perception with metaphysical truth is this: Being that perception is flawed, metaphysical truth requisites either a leap of faith or abstention from decision. This decision, is intuitive AND quasi-logical and is an A or B choice between opposing causal theories, or intentional abstention from either. Either-- A. The causal chain of events can logically regress infinitely backward (ergo, no un-caused cause or "creator"). Or-- B. It cannot logically regress infinitely backward (ergo, there was a definite beginning and therefore an un-caused cause or "creator", no matter what incarnation that creator personally takes.) In the case of abstention, one cannot continue further on the search for metaphysical truth without revisiting these primal question. It is absolutely inevitable. Without this base decision, there is no foundation for any other belief. Another ridiculous misconception is that agnostics are required to be atheists. Agnostics can be completely justified in believing in God and still calling themselves Agnostics. Agnosticism is a philosophical method that simply considers abstention from decision to be a legitimate acceptance in lue of proof. Instead of saying that, "God does not exist because you cannot prove he exists" an agnostic could also say "God does exist, but we cannot prove it" and still be an Agnostic. Just because the agnostic's common answer is "I dunno" doesn't mean it is the only one (or the most legitimate). |
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Edited by
jrbogie
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Thu 12/10/09 06:01 AM
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Another ridiculous misconception is that agnostics are required to be atheists. Agnostics can be completely justified in believing in God and still calling themselves Agnostics. Agnosticism is a philosophical method that simply considers abstention from decision to be a legitimate acceptance in lue of proof. Instead of saying that, "God does not exist because you cannot prove he exists" an agnostic could also say "God does exist, but we cannot prove it" and still be an Agnostic. Just because the agnostic's common answer is "I dunno" doesn't mean it is the only one (or the most legitimate). nope. agnosticism has to do with everything being unknowable. gnostic=knowable. agnostic=unknowable. it really has no more to do with religion than it does anything else. an agnostic thinks that like everything, gods, the afterlife and other supernatural phenomena cannot be known within the human mind. to believe in a concept is to know in your mind that your belief is true. an agnostic cannot know anything absolutely so an agnostic cannot believe anything much less that god exists. this does not make me an atheist however, regardless of how you define an atheist. a strong atheist "believes" it to be fact that there is no god. a weak atheist doubt's the existence of god because of the lack of evidence but leaves open the possibility that god exists. an agnostic simply thinks that he can never know whether or not god exists. but an agnostic cannot know or believe that god exists. an agnostic can only know that which he experiences himself. |
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Food for thought: If truth is relative, then what is it worth? Relativity of truth isn't agnosticism, it is existentialism. Truth, by definition, is absolute. A lie cannot be true based on relative perceptions. Truth is factual. Finding it is the only individual experience. The common mistake in the whole process is mistakenly suffixing truth (in the metaphysical/ philosophical sense: concern with ultimate reality) with unquestionable. If something can be questioned, that does not mean it is not absolute, just that perception is flawed in relativity. If one makes a distinction between scientific "truth" and pseudoscientific "truth", they are making a distinction of perception. Agnosticism is abstaining from decisions for lack of evidence. It doesn't mean, "Make up your own truth". In my opinion, the first step for reconciling perception with metaphysical truth is this: Being that perception is flawed, metaphysical truth requisites either a leap of faith or abstention from decision. This decision, is intuitive AND quasi-logical and is an A or B choice between opposing causal theories, or intentional abstention from either. Either-- A. The causal chain of events can logically regress infinitely backward (ergo, no un-caused cause or "creator"). Or-- B. It cannot logically regress infinitely backward (ergo, there was a definite beginning and therefore an un-caused cause or "creator", no matter what incarnation that creator personally takes.) In the case of abstention, one cannot continue further on the search for metaphysical truth without revisiting these primal question. It is absolutely inevitable. Without this base decision, there is no foundation for any other belief. Another ridiculous misconception is that agnostics are required to be atheists. Agnostics can be completely justified in believing in God and still calling themselves Agnostics. Agnosticism is a philosophical method that simply considers abstention from decision to be a legitimate acceptance in lue of proof. Instead of saying that, "God does not exist because you cannot prove he exists" an agnostic could also say "God does exist, but we cannot prove it" and still be an Agnostic. Just because the agnostic's common answer is "I dunno" doesn't mean it is the only one (or the most legitimate). jrb and I go way back, he knows IM not agnostic,,,lol seriously though, I think its in the interpretation. Perhaps it would be more fitting to say Truth is absolute but Perception of the truth is relative. |
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My Truth--Your Truth. How do you decide Truth? Blessings...Miles I don't decide truth, truth just is whether or not I decide to perceive it. Now, how to know what to believe? I guess that would be a mix of logic and intuition, in no particular order. My brain has a crush on your brain...lol well said |
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My brain has a crush on your brain...lol well said And I was worried I was not using enough words... 
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sometimes less is more,,plenty of people use far too many words and in the wrong context just to seem intelligent
I dont always agree with you Peter Pan, but you have a rare gift for rational thought |
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My Truth--Your Truth. How do you decide Truth? Blessings...Miles What makes information/data truthful? Is it because one believes/wants to believe in it? Or is it factual? |
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jrb and I go way back, he knows IM not agnostic,,,lol aw, mspretty, me thinks you be more agnostic than ye thinks. in that i have absolute faith. lol. seriously though, I think its in the interpretation. Perhaps it would be more fitting to say Truth is absolute but Perception of the truth is relative. trouble being that nothing is absolute. |
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the teacher told the boy in school. "Just say 'I know the truth' and people will tell you their secrets"
So he went home and told his mom "I know the truth" and she gave him $20 and said "don't tell your dad' he told his dad "I know the truth" and he gave him $50 and said "don't tell your mom" he told the mailman "I know the truth" and the mailman said "awwwww come give your dad a big hug" |
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