i will go back to the universally accepted definition.

r=constant.

appears pretty concrete, actual, specific
and yes, ideas are real. they are all over the place!
they can be real, boring or fantastic

math is a good sphere of reference.



my reference was Merriam's

i would still say that real and abstract are not antonyms...
even the ideal sphere is real.

i did go so far as to look it up here:
http://www.synonym.com/antonym/real/

there were 9 instances of real - of the 9, only
1 of them was related somehow to abstract...

interestingly, abstract did not make the list here...
(but it was the only place i looked)

instance 7 notes real in its very limited sense
real as in material. but this is a real stretch
imho



the real antonym of real is more in the sense of unreal
ie. fantastic - as in sense 1 of the above reference

Sense 1:
real (vs. unreal), existent

unreal (vs. real)
dreamed(prenominal)envisioned, pictured, visualized, visualisedeye-deceiving, trompe-l'oeil(prenominal)fabled, legendaryfabricated, fancied, fictional, fictitiousfabulous, mythic, mythical, mythologic, mythologicalfanciful, imaginary, notionalfantastic, fantasticalhallucinatoryillusional, illusionaryillusive, illusorymake-believe, pretend



loving someone - desiring them, fantasizing about them,
- is among the most powerful motivations. it inspires artistry,
and can bond individuals, and change people.

and although love may inspire fantasy, and can sometimes not
be real love but can be itself a fantasy...

real love is real. and it changes us. once we have truly loved
we gain a certain perspective...

so love is one of those intangible yet very real things...

When i desire her sometimes i have to force her to agree Anna x

Anna, you are a bad bad girl! I think you need a spanking!

_____________INTELLECTUALIZATION OF REALITY_______________
I've never thought referring to Dictionaries would be necessary for answering such a straight-forwqard question as Is sex a Force or desire?

WHAT THE WORLD IS COMMING TO???

SEX is a forcible physical property created through a
desired ACT,,of THOUGHT...

Not really.

"r=constant" is not real anymore than Nihilism or Calculus or Jealousy are real. They're representative, intangible--as all ideas and concepts are. Ideas are *manifested* through action [i.e. verbalization, the written word, physical action, etc.), but they themselves are intangible--which brings me to...

Obviously, you and I are considering different definitions of "real," what real is. To make this more sensible, it must be confessed that everyone operates [at least in part] under their own "definitions" and understanding of what "real" means. Here, for the sake of discussion, I was going for "real" as in "tangible, sensory, concrete, etc." versus "abstract" as in "intangible, extrasensory, conceptual, etc." Of course, each word has varying definitions based on what freakin' dictionary you reference and what sub-definitions you look at, but, just kind of, you have to look at what definitions pertain to the discussion at hand.

Okay?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!??!?!??!?!?!?!

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It relates; in defining sex and whether it is a solely physical interaction or if there are intangible, abstract connotations, which is where this mini-tangent originated. I was aruging that sex has [or can have, I guess] both physical and abstract connotations. He began questioning my definition of these terms. Review over. >;)

Also, that question isn't really straightforward, anyway, apparently. o_O

well i like to have a nice conversation about different
perspectives on things every once in a while no matter
which dictionary is used.





i don't strive for precision in such discussions or
reality for that matter. i just wanna have fun.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIb6AZdTr-A

Freakin' Existentialism.

...

Okay. :|

Precision is food for veracity--which is why I always am precise and, subsequently, always correct. So, that might be worth considering.

And frankly, and this may be a bit "touchy" to say, but defining something as critical to humanity as sex [how mankind subsists, how we most intimately relate, how we pass on a piece of ourselves by fostering a new generation--our children] seems like an important thing. If it is not defined in a clear way--or not defined at all--how is anyone to understand what it is, let alone what it means, its significance? Or its probable [damaging, even dangerous] consequences? Sure, we all "wanna have fun," but adopting such a flippant attitude as a life philosophy--well, I think that's where the STD's, teen pregnancies, adultery, sexual perversion [such as pedophilia, rape, incest, etc.), and the like come in. Viewing sex as some sort of amusement ride can be and has often been an extremely injurious choice--for all involved.

Or, we could just keep having "fun." That has worked for us so well so far.

just to clarify, i am talking about just having fun in the forum threads. i don't subscribe to it as a general life philosophy! although i think that if one leads one's life in a kind, respectful, and generous way that one cannot avoid also having fun. i would never advocate unsafe sex, adultery, perversion or anything injurious etc.

i can be as precise as they come.



i like it when others make me think along new lines.

when i said i don't strive for precision or reality in such discussions i meant that i just wanna have a fun and freewheeling and speculative repartee. the rest of it is in textbooks or the wiki. so yes, life absolutely must be creative and fun for me but never at the expense of rationality or safety.

Exactly, therefore my comment wan't meant for you!!!