I your views.

I think you said something along the lines of "I don't get you people. Back and forth for 6 pages..." or something like that, which isn't exactly the most respectful way to enter a conversation.

Yet it was taken personal by only one person? It was a general statement, and it singled me out. I really didn't understand how this went on six pages...just accept differing views and be done with it.

No, I was defending my view, pointing out the apparent logical holes in yours, and soliciting a response from you. It may have been assertive, caustic even, but that was what it was. In response, you say, "you have your view, I have mine," failing to expand upon, let alone defend, your previous statements.

I was not saying all meaningful relationships must include sex; in fact, earlier, I advocated the exact opposite: That I prefer conversation over anything of that sort. My point was, you were dismissing the validity of sexual interaction--with a partner--saying you would much rather satisfy yourself in that respect. I found this strange, explained why and presented an opposing viewpoint, and awaited an attempt at a convincing response from you. No such thing, did I receive.

I actually believe in and have so far achieved abstinence until marriage, myself, but I can speak of these things conceptually or consider/discuss different viewpoints. So, in fact, I was imagining a viewpoint (playing devil's advocate, as it were) quite contrasting my own. *Shrug*

Some do, some don't...like I said in the first place.



I just don't...personally, I don't care if they do.

Then. Why. Say. *Long pause* Anything at all. If you don't care, if you're not interested in others' views, it seems completely pointless to enter into a discussion about them.

Silence is a shortcut to tolerance? :|

How does arguing about something show interest in their views? He said he doesn't care about sex, someone else said they do. Discussion pretty much over.

Sex is a force without which we would not exist,, it is also a desire without which we wouldnt have so many STDS, sexual perversions, and broken homes. If it was only as enjoyable as , lets say, eating spinach, people wouldnt be as eager to make it a necessity of life.

But you do agree that not everyone enjoys it, correct?

Of course, there is nothing I know of which is enjoyable for each of the six billion on the planet,,,,,,

Okay, let me try this again:

IF YOU DO NOT CARE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK, WHY ENTER INTO A DISCUSSION?

Have a look:

dis·cus·sion (dĭ-skŭsh'ən)
n.
1.
Consideration of a subject by a group; an earnest conversation.

Having a discussion, well, pretty much requires caring. If you are so persistently close-minded as to think your view is so immutable as to not be affected or even discussed by others, then silence--silence is the only logical alternative. If you do not care and refuse to listen or discuss, then there pretty much is no point in saying anything, is there?

Can *I* not disagree with his view, but still want to know if there is, in fact, any logic behind it? Am I at fault for being interested in the topic, having encountered someone unwilling to discuss during a discussion? No. No, I am not.

I do not have a personal problem with his being against sex. In fact, I stated my comprehension of, but disagreement with, his view. Apparently, though, that is not allowed. My mistake.

... After all, the Topic of this thread is: "Is sex a Force or desire?" It doesn't ask whether your practicing it, or not! Personal ideologies about sex are inappropriate here!!! If somebody is practicing obstinence for moral or religious reasons, that's their right! (just as it is a personal right of committing oneself to years of existing inside the "Sensory Deprivation Tank"!!! (as though your sucrifice will be appreciated forever...)

Certainly, while your not even 30, you can allow yourself the luxury of taking your time, playing it safe, practicing chastity, etc. -- as if your assured of a life-partner to be waiting for you... (even if you already have a partner, like F_and_L, there's no guarantee the partner will remain there forever -- you might discover both of you are completely sexually incompatible!)

Before my mother passed away, she confided in me that my father has been the only man she's ever "had"! I could understand that -- they lived in a different generation... But, nowadays, we live in a turbulent world, and nobody's guaranteed that a tomorrow is gonna be waiting for you when you go to bad. In fact, as the wise saying goes, "YOU'VE GOT TO LIVE YOUR LIFE AS -- EACH AND EVERY DAY -- AS THOUGH IT IS YOUR LAST DAY!!!

I agree. Exactly. This topic, of all topics, should not be applied *too* personally. It sort of got personal when he stated, "I don't particularly care for sex," or whatever it was precisely.

This topic, however, like all topics, *is* personally applicable on some level, but the discussion was quite clearly presented in a broad sense, defining actually what sex *is.*

there has never been a time when tomorrow was guaranteed, I feel the difference is in the priority given to sex and the immediate gratification that has become a part of modern culture,,,,

Thanx, dear, I find your opinion in complete harmony with mine (no pan intended, ) -- an instant gratification is the rule of the day! And Sex is the most easily accomplished form of gratification. Therefore, in the modern (commercial) society it is given the paramount priority.
But in the 40's - 50's -- yesterday -- society was more Puritanian, it seems:
at least, there wasn't such a thing as Terrorism (or unibombers), and most of people were psychologically stable (either that or the diagnostic checks and verifications hasn't been as thorough as today). In any case, there has never been such an urgency to succede as today! The rate of progress has changed from "once in a decade" to "once every 3-4 years". Thus, people have to upgrade their skills accordingly -- just to stay up-today! And that, in turn, has intensified competition -- desire to succede!
*** Thus, yesterday, in fact, people have more-or-less been secure for a generation (i.e. TOMORROW was more-or-less guaranteed!)
___________Not exactly so Nowadays!!!__________

Even though co-operation among the populance has increased, but -- at the same time -- people became very competitive! Such an attitude forces people growing up much faster then yesterday. Therefore, most of women don't have a luxury of waiting until marriage to verify the compatibility with their partners!!!

if it is a force then it is kinky

if it is a desire, that's fetish!

s1owhand:

Although I always maintain that short and concise answers are best, however, NOT in this particular case:
1. a force can either be positive, or negative. yet none of it is kinky!
2. not every desire (even the sexual) is a fetish.

-- It pays to stop drinking and start respecting the perpective audience!!!

what force draws us together? our common humanity.
except for hermits. hermits go it alone. often near
the tops of high mountains in the "himalyas" or some
such.



there is an enhancement in pleasure when it is shared.
hermits probably share too. we just never know with whom.

there is a desire to share and find others in ourselves
and the amazing thing is - they are there.