Topic: No Death Penalty for Homosexuals, just Life.
KerryO's photo
Sun 01/03/10 04:20 PM



My point is that...in your quote, it's called " a chromosonal anomaly ".

From the Webster's Online Dictionary...3rd definition.

anomaly [əˈnɒməlɪ]

3 : something anomalous : something different, abnormal, peculiar, or not easily classified


The very definition of anomaly is, in part, " abnormal ".

That term, and it's use in medicine to describe something in the chromosomes that isn't " normal " is, in essence, what gays and lesbians have been fighting against for a long, long time.

When even medicine is looking at homosexuality as an " anomaly " < in some cases anyway >, how can the gay community ever expect their behaviors to be considered NOT out of the ordinary??





And what were the other definitions of 'anomalous' that you didn't choose to word lawyer with?

What you just did was very intellectually dishonest. I think you and everyone else reading this knows I wasn't saying that homosexuality is a disease but rather a variation from the majority that probably can be explained by those looking for an answer rather than furthering their prejudice.

-Kerry O.




If you think I was inferring that you, yourself, thought of homosexuality as a disease, I do apologize.

That was not my intention. I was only using a statement you made about that particular syndrome.

The reason I used that particular part of the definition was because the other definitions on the site were in reference to astrological occurrences which have absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand.

The point of using that definition was that the chromosome/genetics issue being spoken of is considered an abnormality.

Having something in their genetics < even if it's NOT all of them that have the syndrome > seen as an " abnormality " would defeat the entire purpose of the gay and lesbian efforts to be seen as normal people.


Fair enough. I likewise apologize for being brusque, but I've learned it's often best to go with a full body check if you perceive someone is taking words out of context to take a shot on goal after the whistle when a ref isn't looking.

To me, an anomaly is an engineering problem where one gets readings or data one didn't expect, often because of a confluence of factors that are rarely apparent.

See, I've contended with my own little congenital problems, one of which caused other problems that almost killed me 3 times now. In fact, I took a year off from life recovering from one 12 years ago. I spent my convalescence talking to people on the Internet and researching the science of human life in hopes that I would be able to figure out 'why me'? Why I got stuck with an anomaly that only about .001% of the population has? Why I don't have an Adams Apple?

Anyway, I talked to a lot of gays and lesbians during that time. One group even made me an honorary lesbian, lol. I learned a lot of things I would never have expected and I think I may have helped a few souls NOT commit suicide in the face of adversity.

I wasn't surprised to learn that a lot of gay youth really, really like the X-Men movies. Maybe that's there way of coping?


-Kerry O.

MiddleEarthling's photo
Sun 01/03/10 04:26 PM

Shall I continue!

Homosexuality is Unnatural and unhealthy.


My stepdaughter is a lesbian...she's happy and well adjusted after struggling harshly as a teen in dealing with the pressures to be "normal". Many gay teens kill themselves because they are shamed into it, they are constantly told it's not "normal".

Suicide is not healthy.

In the animal kingdom it's been observed that at least 10% are same-sex attracted. Explain that, I guess they need counseling huh?

It's just mother nature...that's all, it's not a disease nor unnatural..it is what it is...natural to them.

Leave them alone and let them pursue their happiness.

I cannot believe it's 2010 and we're still stressing over this simple issue.


Fanta46's photo
Sun 01/03/10 04:32 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Sun 01/03/10 04:32 PM


Shall I continue!

Homosexuality is Unnatural and unhealthy.


My stepdaughter is a lesbian...she's happy and well adjusted after struggling harshly as a teen in dealing with the pressures to be "normal". Many gay teens kill themselves because they are shamed into it, they are constantly told it's not "normal".

Suicide is not healthy.

In the animal kingdom it's been observed that at least 10% are same-sex attracted. Explain that, I guess they need counseling huh?

It's just mother nature...that's all, it's not a disease nor unnatural..it is what it is...natural to them.

Leave them alone and let them pursue their happiness.

I cannot believe it's 2010 and we're still stressing over this simple issue.




Animals are not human!

Humans don't mate according to menstrual cycles.

Humans don't lick themselves either and can wipe our own arses.

Fanta46's photo
Sun 01/03/10 04:33 PM
There are many differences between Humans and animals.

Please don't go there.

KerryO's photo
Sun 01/03/10 04:40 PM
Edited by KerryO on Sun 01/03/10 04:41 PM

The list of diseases found with extraordinary frequency among male homosexual practitioners as a result of anal intercourse is alarming:



Just for giggles, cut and paste the above quote EXACTLY into a Google search window. Be prepared for page and page after page of Religious Right propaganda, that can often be tracked back to 'scientists' like Dr. Paul Cameron, who was bankrolled by the RR.

So why is anyone shocked with the Uganda affair when this kind of stuff is plastered all over the Internet?

-Kerry O.

Fanta46's photo
Sun 01/03/10 04:43 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Sun 01/03/10 04:45 PM
Humans have 46 sets of chromosomes in our DNA.

Rhesus Monkeys, and Chimpanzees have 48.
Dogs- 78.

We don't eat or play in our own feces.

Monkeys and dogs do!

get it?

Fanta46's photo
Sun 01/03/10 04:44 PM


The list of diseases found with extraordinary frequency among male homosexual practitioners as a result of anal intercourse is alarming:



Just for giggles, cut and paste the above quote EXACTLY into a Google search window. Be prepared for page and page after page of Religious Right propaganda, that can often be tracked back to 'scientists' like Dr. Paul Cameron, who was bankrolled by the RR.

So why is anyone shocked with the Uganda affair when this kind of stuff is plastered all over the Internet?

-Kerry O.


Univ of Pittsburg.edu!
Brown Univ.

Gay and lesbian medical association.


laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

Fanta46's photo
Sun 01/03/10 04:49 PM
I tried to get y'all not to go here, but you tagged the article with your pink rainbows and hoisted it up on your banner anyway. You insisted on making this a sounding board for your cause despite all my efforts and despite it being off topic.

Oh well!


MiddleEarthling's photo
Sun 01/03/10 04:50 PM

There are many differences between Humans and animals.

Please don't go there.


Yeah, a main difference is that we have reasoning skills...well, some not I guess.


KerryO's photo
Sun 01/03/10 04:52 PM
Here's an example of the type of propaganda that gets refuted when examined closely:

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_cameron_obit.html


The Cameron Group's "Gay Obituary" Study
See Dr. Herek's blog
for updates.



What is a convenience sample?

Cameron, Playfair, and Wellum (1994) counted obituaries in various gay community publications and claimed to be able to use them to calculate the average life expectancy for homosexuals.

Their conclusion – that homosexual men and women have a shorter life span than heterosexual men and women – provides a textbook example of the perils of using data from a convenience sample to generalize to an entire population.


Death Notices
and Obituaries Most city newspapers include a section containing death notices for community residents. These notices – which can carry a small fee for printing – typically list the name, age, address, and survivors of the deceased, along with information about funeral or memorial services. Funeral directors often assist the loved ones of the deceased in submitting such notices.

Gay community newspapers do not have sections of death notices. When the AIDS epidemic began to claim the lives of so many gay and bisexual men in the 1980s, however, many gay newspapers began to print obituaries. Except in the case of prominent community figures, these obituaries are typically written by (or based on information from) the loved ones of the deceased.

Assuming that the deceased person wasn't famous, an obituary appears in a gay community newspaper only if (1) a loved one or friend notifies the newspaper about the death (and, in many cases, writes the obituary) and (2) the editor decides to print the obituary.

Consequently, many gay men and lesbians who die never have an obituary in a gay community publication. Here are just a few examples of who is left out of gay newspapers' obituaries.

* gay men and lesbians who were not involved in the gay community

* gay men and lesbians who were in the closet about their sexual orientation

* gay men and lesbians whose loved ones or family didn't want their homosexuality to be known

* gay men and lesbians whose loved ones or family simply didn't think of sending an obituary to a gay community newspaper

* gay men and lesbians whose loved ones did not write an obituary for some other reason (e.g., they were too grief stricken)

* gay men and lesbians who died without leaving anyone to write an obituary for a gay publication (e.g., those whose loved ones and relatives died before them).

An accurate estimate of the life span of gay men and lesbians would have to count such people. By restricting their analysis to obituaries in gay newspapers, however, the Cameron group systematically excluded them from the sample.


Internal
Inconsistencies The inadequacy of the Cameron group's approach is evident from internal inconsistencies within their own data. Compare the data about lesbians reported in their obituary study, for example, to data from their so-called national survey.

In their obituary study, the Cameron group claimed that the average lesbian life-span is similar to that of gay men who do not have AIDS ("under 50 years" versus "mid-40s," respectively). But if this is true, and if obituaries are indeed a valid source for this type of data, the ratio of gay male obituaries to lesbian obituaries should be about the same as the ratio of gay men to lesbians in the population.

From their survey data, the Cameron group has claimed to know the number of gay men and lesbians in the population. If we believed their numbers, we would set the ratio of gay men-to-lesbians at about 1.6-to-1 (or approximately 2.6-to-1 if bisexuals are omitted).

But the ratio of gay male-to-lesbian obituaries in the Cameron group's study is quite different – approximately 6-to-1 if AIDS and violent deaths are excluded, 32-to-1 if they are included.

Thus, at least one data set has to be wrong. Either the obituaries data do not include a representative sample of lesbians, or the Cameron group's population estimates based on their survey data are invalid.

An observer with training in research methodology would most likely conclude that both sets of data are fatally flawed.

This example is provided as simply one illustration of the flaws in the Cameron group's methods.


Conclusion Obituaries in gay community newspapers do not provide a representative sampling of the community. This is evident in the fact that only only 2% of the Cameron group's obituaries were for lesbians. Moreover, community newspapers tend overwhelmingly to report deaths due to AIDS (only 11% of Cameron's gay male obituaries were not related to AIDS). In addition, community newspapers tend not to print obituaries for people who are not actively involved in the local gay community, those who are in the closet, and those whose loved ones simply don't submit an obituary to a local gay newspaper.

The Cameron group's gay obituary study reports many numbers and statistics. However, they are absolutely worthless for estimating the life expectancy of gay men and lesbians.


Postscript In a 1997 column in the Weekly Standard, former Secretary of Education William Bennett referred to the findings of Cameron et al.'s obituary study, although he did not cite Cameron by name. He again referred to Cameron's conclusion about the truncated life span of homosexuals in an appearance on ABC's "This Week" program.

In 1998, after Andrew Sullivan wrote an article challenging the statistic, Bennett wrote in a letter to the New Republic (1998, February 23, page 4): "Given what I now know, I believe there are flaws with Paul Cameron's study. One cannot extrapolate from his methodology and say that the average male homosexual life span is 43 years."


References Bennett, W.J. (1997, November 24). Clinton, gays, and the truth. Weekly Standard, page 13.

Cameron, P., Playfair, W. L., & Wellum, S. (1994). The longevity of homosexuals: Before and after the AIDS epidemic. Omega, 29, 249-272.

Sullivan, A. (1998, January 5). False Bennett: Gay

Fanta46's photo
Sun 01/03/10 04:57 PM
Try this, LMAO


TEN THINGS GAY MEN SHOULD DISCUSS WITH
THEIR HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS
SAN FRANCISCO -- A survey of members of the Gay and Lesbian Medical Association (GLMA) released
today listed 10 health care concerns men who have sex with men (MSM) should include in discussions
with their physicians or other health care providers.

"Clinicians providing health care to gay and bisexual men may not be aware of all of the things that
should be discussed during the visit," said GLMA President Christopher E. Harris, MD. "We are
concerned that physicians and other health care providers who do not understand the health risks in the
gay community cannot provide competent care. This is why we asked our members to help us define the
health care concerns most relevant to MSM. Our purpose is to inform health providers and allow patients
to be proactive in their relationship by knowing what questions to ask."
"Naturally, not everyone has the same set of risks," said educator and medical journal editor Vincent M.
B. Silenzio, MD, MPH. "But after we look at gender (men in general are increased risk of heart disease,
for example) age, family history, and other basic factors, we need to consider issues that relate to the
culture or subculture. We know that gay men face greater discrimination than their heterosexual
counterparts, for example. Family pressures, combined with social pressure, cause significant stress. It
might be important to discuss depression or anxiety, and possibly substance use. If you know that
someone is sexually active, it is important to talk about safe sex, the need for hepatitis immunization, or
periodic tests for anal papiloma."
Both Harris and Silenzio stress that this list broadens previously held views about appropriate treatment
for gay men. They indicated this doesn’t represent special treatment for gay or bisexual men, but
appropriate treatment. Patients often don’t know what they should ask their health care provider. And
worse, many providers don’t know what to look for. To effectively provide the best in health care,
knowledge and honesty are essential.
"Both the provider and the patient should be aware of these concerns and they should be addressed nonjudgmentally
as part of a patient’s regular health care program," Harris said.
Gay Men and MSM Health Concerns
1. HIV/AIDS, Safe Sex
2. Substance Use
3. Depression/Anxiety
4. Hepatitis Immunization
5. STDs
6. Prostate/Testicular/Colon Cancer
7. Alcohol
8. Tobacco
9. Fitness (Diet & Exercise)
10. Anal Papiloma

http://www.publichealth.pitt.edu/docs/10things_gay.pdf

Fanta46's photo
Sun 01/03/10 04:58 PM
A survey of members of the Gay and Lesbian Medical Association (GLMA)

MiddleEarthling's photo
Sun 01/03/10 04:59 PM
WOW, you were right, "Conservapedia" which is a RW religious nutbag site (for the reality challenged) had this to say of "gay".

"The gay life consists of immoral sexual activity, particularly homosexual or bisexual."


Fanta46's photo
Sun 01/03/10 05:01 PM
Or,
Pick one of these.


1."Tracking the Hidden Epidemics: Trends in STDs in the United States, 2000," Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), available at www.cdc.gov.
2.Becky Birtha, "Gay Parents and the Adoption Option," The Philadelphia Inquirer, March 04, 2002, www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/editorial/ 2787531.htm; Grant Pick, "Make Room for Daddy — and Poppa," The Chicago Tribune Internet Edition, March 24, 2002, www.chicagotribune.com/features/magazine/chi- 0203240463mar24.story
3.Ellen C. Perrin, et al., "Technical Report: Coparent or Second-Parent Adoption by Same-Sex Parents," Pediatrics, 109(2): 341-344 (2002).
4.Gabriel Rotello, Sexual Ecology: AIDS and the Destiny of Gay Men, p. 112, New York: Penguin Group, 1998 (quoting gay writer Michael Lynch).
5.Alan P. Bell and Martin S. Weinberg, Homosexualities: A study of Diversity Among Men and Women, p. 308, Table 7, New York: Simon and Schuster, 1978.
6.Leon McKusick, et al., "Reported Changes in the Sexual Behavior of Men at Risk for AIDS, San Francisco, 1982-84 — the AIDS Behavioral Research Project," Public Health Reports, 100(6): 622-629, p. 625, Table 1 (November- December 1985). In 1982 respondents reported an average of 4.7 new partners in the prior month; in 1984, respondents reported an average of 2.5 new partners in the prior month.
7."Increases in Unsafe Sex and Rectal Gonorrhea among Men Who Have Sex with Men — San Francisco, California, 1994-1997," Mortality and Morbidity Weekly Report, CDC, 48(03): 45-48, p. 45 (January 29, 1999).
8.This was evident by the late 80's and early 90's. Jeffrey A. Kelly, PhD, et al., "Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome/ Human Immunodeficiency Virus Risk Behavior Among Gay Men in Small Cities," Archives of Internal Medicine, 152: 2293-2297, pp. 2295-2296 (November 1992); Donald R. Hoover, et al., "Estimating the 1978-1990 and Future Spread of Human Immunodeficiency Virus Type 1 in Subgroups of Homosexual Men," American Journal of Epidemiology, 134(10): 1190-1205, p. 1203 (1991).
9.A lesbian pastor made this assertion during a question and answer session that followed a presentation the author made on homosexual health risks at the Chatauqua Institute in Western New York, summer 2001.
10.Paul Van de Ven, et al., "Facts & Figures: 2000 Male Out Survey," p. 20 & Table 20, monograph published by National Centre in HIV Social Research Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences, The University of New South Wales, February 2001.
11.Rotello, pp. 43-46.
12.Ibid., pp. 165-172.
13.Hoover, et al., Figure 3.
14."Basic Statistics," CDC — Division of HIV/AIDS Prevention, June 2001, www.cdc.gov/hiv/stats.htm. (Nearly 8% (50,066) of men with AIDS had sex with men and used intravenous drugs. These men are included in the 64% figure (411,933) of 649,186 men who have been diagnosed with AIDS.)
15.Figures from a study presented at the Infectious Diseases Society of America meeting in San Francisco and reported by Christopher Heredia, "Big spike in cases of syphilis in S.F.: Gay, bisexual men affected most," San Francisco Chronicle, October 26, 2001, www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/ article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/10/26/MN7489 3.DTL.
16.Catherine Hutchinson, et al., "Characteristics of Patients with Syphilis Attending Baltimore STD Clinics," Archives of Internal Medicine, 151: 511-516, p. 513 (1991).
17.Katherine Fethers, Caron Marks, et al., "Sexually transmitted infections and risk behaviours in women who have sex with women," Sexually Transmitted Infections, 76(5): 345- 349, p. 347 (October 2000).
18.James Price, et al., "Perceptions of cervical cancer and pap smear screening behavior by Women's Sexual Orientation," Journal of Community Health, 21(2): 89-105 (1996); Daron Ferris, et al., "A Neglected Lesbian Health Concern: Cervical Neoplasia," The Journal of Family Practice, 43(6): 581-584, p. 581 (December 1996); C. Skinner, J. Stokes, et al., "A Case-Controlled Study of the Sexual Health Needs of Lesbians," Sexually Transmitted Infections, 72(4): 277-280, Abstract (1996).
19.The Gay and Lesbian Medical Association (GLMA) recently published a press release entitled "Ten Things Gay Men Should Discuss with Their Health Care Providers" (July 17, 2002), www.glma.org/news/ releases/n02071710gaythings.html. The list includes: HIV/AIDS (Safe Sex), Substance Use, Depression/ Anxiety, Hepatitis Immunization, STDs, Prostate/ Testicular/Colon Cancer, Alcohol, Tobacco, Fitness and Anal Papilloma.
20.R. R. Wilcox, "Sexual Behaviour and Sexually Transmitted Disease Patterns in Male Homosexuals," British Journal of Venereal Diseases, 57(3): 167-169, 167 (1981).
21.Robert T. Michael, et al., Sex in America: a Definitive Survey, pp. 140-141, Table 11, Boston: Little, Brown, and Co., 1994; Rotello, pp. 75-76.
22.Rotello, p. 92.
23.Jon M. Richards, J. Michael Bedford, and Steven S. Witkin, "Rectal Insemination Modifies Immune Responses in Rabbits," Science, 27(224): 390-392 (1984).
24.S. S. Witkin and J. Sonnabend, "Immune Responses to Spermatozoa in Homosexual Men," Fertility and Sterility, 39(3): 337-342, pp. 340-341 (1983).
25.Anne Rompalo, "Sexually Transmitted Causes of Gastrointestinal Symptoms in Homosexual Men," Medical Clinics of North America, 74(6): 1633-1645 (November 1990); "Anal Health for Men and Women," LGBTHealthChannel, www.gayhealthchannel.com/analhealth/; "Safer Sex (MSM) for Men who Have Sex with Men," LGBTHealthChannel, www.gayhealthchannel.com/stdmsm/.
26."Resurgent Bacterial Sexually Transmitted Disease Among Men Who Have Sex With Men — King County, Washington, 1997-1999," Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, CDC, 48(35): 773-777 (September 10, 1999).
27.Heredia, "Big spike in cases of syphilis in S.F.: Gay, bisexual men affected most."
28."Changing Patterns of Groups at High Risk for Hepatitis B in the United States," Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, CDC, 37(28): 429-432, p. 437 (July 22, 1988). Hepatitis B and C are viral diseases of the liver.
29.Edward O. Laumann, John H. Gagnon, et al., The social organization of sexuality: Sexual practices in the United States, p. 293, Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1994; Michael, et al., p. 176; David Forman and Clair Chilvers, "Sexual Behavior of Young and Middle-Aged Men in England and Wales," British Medical Journal, 298: 1137-1142 (1989); and Gary Remafedi, et al., "Demography of Sexual Orientation in Adolescents," Pediatrics, 89: 714-721 (1992). See appendix A.
30.Mads Melbye, Charles Rabkin, et al., "Changing patterns of anal cancer incidence in the United States, 1940-1989," American Journal of Epidemiology, 139: 772-780, p. 779, Table 2 (1994).
31.James Goedert, et al., for the AIDS-Cancer Match Study Group, "Spectrum of AIDS-associated malignant disorders," The Lancet, 351: 1833-1839, p. 1836 (June 20, 1998).
32."Anal Health for Men and Women," LGBTHealthChannel, www.gayhealthchannel.com/analhealth/; J. E. Barone, et al., "Management of Foreign Bodies and Trauma of the Rectum," Surgery, Gynecology and Obstetrics, 156(4): 453-457 (April 1983).
33.Henry Kazal, et al., "The gay bowel syndrome: Clinicopathologic correlation in 260 cases," Annals of Clinical and Laboratory Science, 6(2): 184-192 (1976).
34.Glen E. Hastings and Richard Weber, "Use of the term 'Gay Bowel Syndrome,'" reply to a letter to the editor, American Family Physician, 49(3): 582 (1994).
35.Ibid.; E. K. Markell, et al., "Intestinal Parasitic Infections in Homosexual Men at a San Francisco Health Fair," Western Journal of Medicine, 139(2): 177-178 (August, 1983).
36."Hepatitis A among Homosexual Men — United States, Canada, and Australia," Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, CDC, 41(09): 155, 161-164 (March 06, 1992).
37.Rompalo, p. 1640.
38.H. Naher, B. Lenhard, et al., "Detection of Epstein-Barr virus DNA in anal scrapings from HIV-positive homosexual men," Archives of Dermatological Research, 287(6): 608- 611, Abstract (1995).
39.B. L. Carlson, N. J. Fiumara, et al., "Isolation of Neisseria meningitidis from anogenital specimens from homosexual men," Sexually Transmitted Diseases, 7(2): 71-73 (April 1980).
40.P. Paulet and G. Stoffels, "Maladies anorectales sexuellement transmissibles" ["Sexually-Transmissible Anorectal Diseases"], Revue Medicale Bruxelles, 10(8): 327-334, Abstract (October 10, 1989).
41."Hepatitis A among Homosexual Men — United States, Canada, and Australia," Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, CDC, 41(09): 155, 161-164 (March 06, 1992).
42.Ibid.
43.C. M. Thorpe and G. T. Keutsch, "Enteric bacterial pathogens: Shigella, Salmonella, Campylobacter," in K. K. Holmes, P. A. Mardh, et al., (Eds.), Sexually Transmitted Diseases (3rd edition), p. 549, New York: McGraw-Hill Health Professionals Division, 1999.
44.Tim Bonfield, "Typhoid traced to sex encounters," Cincinnati Enquirer, April 26, 2001; Erin McClam, "Health Officials Document First Sexual Transmission of Typhoid in U.S.," Associated Press, April 25, 2001, www.thebody.com/ cdc/news_updates_archive/apr26_01/typhoid.html. A representative of the Foodborne and Diarrheal Diseases Branch, Division of Bacterial and Mycotic Diseases at the CDC in Atlanta, Georgia, confirmed this report and provided a link to the AP story on October 4, 2002.
45.Jeffrey Martin, et al., "Sexual Transmission and the Natural History of Human Herpes Virus 8 Infection," New England Journal of Medicine, 338(14): 948-954, p. 952 (1998).
46.Alexandra M. Levine, "Kaposi's Sarcoma: Far From Gone," paper presented at 5th International AIDS Malignancy Conference, April 23-25, 2001, Bethesda, Maryland, www.medscape.com/viewarticle/420749.
47."Paraphilias," Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition, Text Revision, p. 576, Washington: American Psychiatric Association, 2000; Karla Jay and Allen Young, The Gay Report: Lesbians and Gay Men Speak Out About Sexual Experiences and Lifestyles, pp. 554-555, New York: Summit Books (1979).
48.Jay and Young, pp. 554-555.
49.Sade, Marquis de, Justine or Good Conduct Well Chastised (1791), New York: Grove Press (1965).
50.Michigan Rope internet advertisement for "Bondage and Beyond," which was scheduled for February 9-10, 2002, near Detroit, Michigan, www.michiganrope.com/ MichiganRopeWorkshop.html. The explicit nature of the advertisement was changed following unexpected publicity, and the hotel where the conference was scheduled ultimately canceled it. Marsha Low, "Hotel Ties Noose Around 2-Day Bondage Meeting," Detroit Free Press, January 25, 2002, www.freep.com/news/locoak/ nrope25_20020125.htm.
51.Allyson Smith, "Ramada to host 'Vicious Valentine' Event," WorldNet Daily, February 14, 2002, www.worldnetdaily. com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26453; "Vicious Valentine 5 Celebrates Mardi Gras, Feb 15-17, 2002," www.leatherquest.com/events/vv2002.htm.
52.The sadistic rape of 13-year-old Jesse Dirkhising on September 26, 1999, left him dead. See Andrew Sullivan, "The Death of Jesse Dirkhising," The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, April 1, 2001.
53.Jay and Young, pp. 554-555.
54.Gay and Lesbian Medical Association, "MSM: Clinician's Guide to Incorporating Sexual Risk Assessment in Routine Visits," www.glma.org/medical/clinical/msm_assessment. html.
55.S. Bygdeman, "Gonorrhea in men with homosexual contacts. Serogroups of isolated gonococcal strains related to antibiotic susceptibility, site of infection, and symptoms," British Journal of Venereal Diseases, 57(5): 320-324, Abstract (October 1981).
56.As of January 1, 1999, the National Cancer Institute (NCI) estimated the cancer prevalence in the United States to be 8.9 million. "Estimated US Cancer Prevalence Counts: Who Are Our Cancer Survivors in the US?," Cancer Control & Population Sciences, National Cancer Institute, April 2002, www.cancercontrol.cancer.gov/ocs/prevalence. In 1999, the American Cancer Society (ACS) estimated 1,221,800 new cancer cases in the US and an estimated 563,100 cancer related deaths, "Cancer Facts and Figures 1999," p. 4, American Cancer Society, Inc., 1999, www.cancer.org/ downloads/STT/F&F99.pdf; in 2000, the ACS estimated 1,220,100 new cancer cases and 552,200 deaths from cancer, "Cancer Facts and Figures 2000," p. 4, American Cancer Society, Inc., 2000, www.cancer.org/downloads/STT/ F&F00.pdf; in 2001, the ACS estimated a total number of 1,268,000 new cases of cancer and 553,400 deaths, "Cancer Facts and Figures 2001," p. 5, American Cancer Society, Inc., 2001, www.cancer.org/downloads/STT/ F&F2001.pdf. This results in an estimated growth of 2,041,200 new cancer cases over the past three years and an estimated 10,941,200 people with cancer as of January 1, 2002. In 2001 there were 793,025 reported AIDS cases. "Basic Statistics," CDC — Division of HIV/AIDS Prevention, June 2001, www.cdc.gov/hiv/stats.htm.
57.The federal spending for AIDS research in 2001 was $2,247,000,000, while the spending for cancer research was not even double that at $4,376,400,000. "Funding For Research Areas of Interest," National Institute of Health, 2002, www4.od.nih.gov/officeofbudget/ FundingResearchAreas.htm.
58.Ibid.; "Fast Stats Ato Z: Diabetes," CDC — National Center for Health Statistics, June 04, 2002, www.cdc.gov/nchs/ fastats/diabetes.htm; "Fast Stats A to Z: Heart Disease," CDC — National Center for Health Statistics, June 06, 2002, www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/heart.htm.
59.Gay and Lesbian Medical Association Press Release, "Ten Things Lesbians Should Discuss with Their Health Care Providers" (July 17, 2002), www.glma.org/news/ releases/n02071710lesbianthings.html. The list includes Breast Cancer, Depression/Anxiety, Gynecological Cancer, Fitness, Substance Use, Tobacco, Alcohol, Domestic Violence, Osteoporosis and Heart Health.
60.Michael, et al., p. 176 ("about 1.4 percent of women said they thought of themselves as homosexual or bisexual and about 2.8% of the men identified themselves in this way").
61.See Appendix A.
62.Skinner, et al., Abstract; Ferris, et al. p. 581; James Price, et al., p. 90; see Appendix A.
63.Katherine Fethers, et al., "Sexually transmitted infections and risk behaviours in women who have sex with women," Sexually Transmitted Infections, 76(5): 345-349, p. 348 (2000).
64.Ibid., p. 347.
65.Ibid.
66.Ibid.
67.Ibid., p. 348.
68.Ibid., p. 347, Table 1; Susan D. Cochran, et al., "Cancer- Related Risk Indicators and Preventive Screening Behaviors Among Lesbians and Bisexual Women," American Journal of Public Health, 91(4): 591-597 (April 2001); Juliet Richters, Sara Lubowitz, et al., "HIV risks among women in contact with Sydney's gay and lesbian community," Venereology, 11(3): 35-38 (1998); Juliet Richters, Sarah Bergin, et al., "Women in Contact with the Gay and Lesbian Community: Sydney Women and Sexual Health Survey 1996 and 1998," National Centre in HIV Social Research, University of New South Wales, 1999.
69.Fethers, et al., p. 347 and Table 1.
70.Barbara Berger, Shelley Kolton, et al., "Bacterial vaginosis in lesbians: a sexually transmitted disease," Clinical Infectious Diseases, 21: 1402-1405 (1995).
71.E. H. Koumans, et al., "Preventing adverse sequelae of Bacterial Vaginosis: a Public Health Program and Research Agenda," Sexually Transmitted Diseases, 28(5): 292-297 (May 2001); R. L. Sweet, "Gynecologic Conditions and Bacterial Vaginosis: Implications for the Non-Pregnant Patient," Infectious Diseases in Obstetrics and Gynecology, 8(3): 184-190 (2000).
72.Kathleen M. Morrow, Ph.D., et al., "Sexual Risk in Lesbians and Bisexual Women," Journal of the Gay and Lesbian Medical Association, 4(4): 159-165, p. 161 (2000).
73.Ibid., p. 159.
74.For example, Judith Bradford, Caitlin Ryan, and Esther D. Rothblum, "National Lesbian Health Care Survey: Implications for Mental Health Care," Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology, 62(2): 228-242 (1994); Richard C. Pillard, "Sexual orientation and mental disorder," Psychiatric Annals, 18(1): 52-56 (1988); see also Mubarak S. Dahir, "The Gay Community's New Epidemic," Daily News (June 5, 2000), www.gaywired.com/story detail.cfm?Section=12&ID=148&ShowDate=1.
75.Katherine A. O'Hanlan, M.D., et al., "Homophobia As a Health Hazard," Report of the Gay & Lesbian Medical Association, pp. 3, 5, www.ohanlan.com/phobiahzd.htm; Laura Dean, et al., "Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Health: Findings & Concerns," Journal of the Gay & Lesbian Medical Association, 4(3): 102-151, pp. 102, 116 (2000).
76."Netherlands Ends Discrimination in Civil Marriage: Gays to Wed," Lambda Legal Defense and Education Fund Press Release, March 30, 2001, http://lambdalegal.org/cgibin/ pages/documents/record?record=814.
77.Theo Sandfort, Ron de Graaf, et al., "Same-sex Sexual Behavior and Psychiatric Disorders," Archives of General Psychiatry, 58(1): 85-91, p. 89 and Table 2 (January 2001).
78.Ibid.
79.Ibid., p. 89.
80.Ibid., p. 90 (emphasis added).
81.Ibid.
82.Erica Goode, "With Fears Fading, More Gays Spurn Old Preventive Message," New York Times, August 19, 2001.
83.Ibid.
84.Ibid.
85.Ibid.
86."Officials Voice Alarm Over Halt in AIDS Decline," New York Times, August 14, 2001.
87."A uniform definition of a circuit party does not exist, partly because such parties continue to evolve. However, a circuit party tends to be a multi-event weekend that occurs each year at around the same time and in the same town . . . ." Gordon Mansergh, Grant Colfax, et al., "The Circuit Party Men's Health Survey: Findings and Implications for Gay and Bisexual Men," American Journal of Public Health, 91(6): 953-958, p. 953 (June 2001).
88.Ibid., p. 955.
89.Ibid., p. 956.
90.Ibid., pp. 956-957, Tables 2 & 3.
91.Ibid., pp. 956-957.
92.Ibid., p. 957. The authors' recommendation was more education.
93.Julie Robotham, "Safe sex by arrangement as gay men reject condoms," Sydney Morning Herald, June 7, 2001. Data source: 2000 Male Out Survey, National Centre in HIV Social Research, Australia.
94.R. S. Hogg, S. A. Strathdee, et al., "Modeling the Impact of HIV Disease on Mortality in Gay and Bisexual Men," International Journal of Epidemiology, 26(3): 657-661, p. 659 (1997). Death as the result of HIV infection has dropped significantly since 1996. "Life Expectancy Hits New High in 2000; Mortality Declines for Several Leading Causes of Death," CDC News Release, October 10, 2001, www.cdc.gov/nchs/releases/01news/mort2k.htm. Nevertheless, it remains a significant factor in shortened life expectancy for homosexual practitioners.
95.Press Release, Smoking costs nation $150 billion each year in health costs, lost productivity, CDC, Office of Communication, April 12, 2002, www.cdc.gov/od/oc/media/ pressrel/r020412.htm.
96.Hogg, et al., p. 660.
97.Ibid.
98."Hepatitis A vaccination of men who have sex with men — Atlanta, Georgia, 1996-1997," Morbidity and Mortality Report, CDC, 47(34): 708-711 (September 4, 1998).
99.Robert T. Michael, et al., p. 89.
100.Ibid., p. 101.
101.Camille Paglia, "I'll take religion over gay culture," Salon.com online magazine, June 1998, www.frontpagemag.com/archives/guest_column/ paglia/gayculture.htm.
102.Gordon Mansergh, Grant Colfax, et al., p. 955.
103.Joseph Harry, Gay Couples, p. 116, New York: Praeger Books, 1984.
104.Marcel T. Saghir, M.D. and Eli Robins, M.D., Male and Female Homosexuality: A Comprehensive Investigation, p. 57 Table 4.13, p. 225 Table 12.10, Baltimore: The Williams & Wilkins Company, 1973.
105.The existence of limited homosexual relationships in primitive cultures, or even extensive homosexuality in declining civilizations, such as those cited by advocates of same-sex marriage, does not challenge the existence of a prevailing norm. See, for example, William N. Eskridge, Jr., The Case for Same-Sex Marriage, Chapter 2, New York: The Free Press, 1996.
106.Joseph D. Unwin, "Sexual Regulations and Cultural Behaviour," pp. 18-19, reprint of Oxford University Press publication of speech given before the Medical Section of the British Psychological Society, March 27, 1935.
107.For example, see the website of the National Coalition for Sexual Freedom, Inc., www.ncsfreedom.org.
108."The ACLU believes that criminal and civil laws prohibiting or penalizing the practice of plural marriage violate constitutional protections . . . ." 1992 Policy Guide of the ACLU, Policy #91, p. 175.
109.Judith Levine, Harmful to Minors: The Perils of Protecting Children from Sex, Minneapolis: University of Minnesota Press, 2002; Bruce Rind, Philip Tromovitch, and Robert Bauserman, "A Meta-Analytic Examination of Assumed Properties of Child Sexual Abuse Using College Samples," Psychological Bulletin, 124(1): 22-53 (July 1998).
110.Paglia, June 23, 1998.
111.Rotello, p. 42.
112.Goode, August 19, 2001.
113.Ibid.
114.See Michael Hamrick, The Hidden Costs of Domestic Partner Benefits, pp. 3-4 (Corporate Resource Council, 2002).
115.David Gelman, et al., "Tune In, Come Out," Newsweek, p. 70, November 8, 1993.
116."Iowa study suggests tolerance of homosexuals is growing," Associated Press, March 23, 2001.
117.Sally Kohn, The Domestic Partnership Organizing Manual for Employee Benefits, p. 1, the Policy Institute of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, www.ngltf.org/ downloads/dp-/dp_99.pdf.
118.John Horgan, "Gay Genes, Revisited," Scientific American, p. 26, November 1995.
119.Matthew Brelis, "The Fading 'Gay Gene,'" The Boston Globe, March 20, 2002, p. C1.
120.Michael, et al., p. 172.
121.Lynn Scherr, "Lesbian Leader Loves a Man," ABCNews.com, April 17, 1998.
122."Former Lesbian Anne Heche Engaged to Cameraman," ABCNews.com, June 1, 2001 (emphasis added), reprinted at www.gaywired.com/index.cfm?linkPage=/storydetail.cf m&Section=68&ID=5304.
123."The Facts: Anne Heche," Eonline.msn, April 1, 2002, www.eonline.com/Facts/People/Bio/0,128,31319,00.html.
124."Sinead O'Connor to Marry a Man," Reuters, June 27, 2000, www.q.co.za/2001.2001.06.27-sinead.html.
125."Sinead Drops out of Wotapalava Tour," JAM! Music, May 31, 2001, www.canoe.ca/JamMusicArtistsO/oconnor_ sinead.html.
126.John Stoltenberg, "Living with Andrea Dworkin," Lambda Book Report, May/June 1994, reprinted at www.nostatusquo.com/ACLU/dworkin/LivingWithAnd rea.html.
127.Julie Robotham, "Safe sex by arrangement as gay men reject condoms," The Sydney Morning Herald, June 7, 2001. Data source: "2000 Male Out Survey," National Centre in HIV Social Research, Australia.
128.Michael, et al., p. 172.
129.Edward O. Laumann, John H. Gagnon, et al., The social organization of sexuality: Sexual practices in the United States, p. 293, Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1994; Michael, et al., p. 176; David Forman and Clair Chilvers, "Sexual Behavior of Young and Middle-Aged Men in England and Wales," British Medical Journal, 298: 1137-1142 (1989); and Gary Remafedi, et al., "Demography of Sexual Orientation in Adolescents," Pediatrics, 89: 714-721 (1992).

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Sun 01/03/10 05:02 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Sun 01/03/10 05:12 PM
Or,
one of these,

45,600 results for rates of colon cancer in gay men.

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=2h&oq=&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGLL_enUS354US354&q=rates+of+colon+cancer+in+gay+men

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Sun 01/03/10 05:05 PM
Me, myself, and I?
would rather have stayed on topic.
At which early on I stated was,

A very misguided and unintelligent approach to Uganda's raging HIV epidemic!

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Sun 01/03/10 05:06 PM




I can not imagine myself doing what gay men do to one another . This in itself tells me that there is something in them that the straight folks do not have . what is this something is anyone's guess at this point since science did not prove a thing yet .


What gay men do to each other? Such as anal sex? You do know straight people do that as well, right?

Swallowing the semen of one another....is is manly ?.!!!.


Who are you to determine what is and isn't " manly "??

Remember I am a a man . So I know what the majority of men want .
Swallowing semen, getting a penis in one's anus.....etc is not manly .

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Sun 01/03/10 05:08 PM

WOW, you were right, "Conservapedia" which is a RW religious nutbag site (for the reality challenged) had this to say of "gay".

"The gay life consists of immoral sexual activity, particularly homosexual or bisexual."




What do you expect?

The Christians to change the word of god just to appease the homosexual movement?

Reality man. It's not going to happen.

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Sun 01/03/10 05:10 PM





I can not imagine myself doing what gay men do to one another . This in itself tells me that there is something in them that the straight folks do not have . what is this something is anyone's guess at this point since science did not prove a thing yet .


What gay men do to each other? Such as anal sex? You do know straight people do that as well, right?

Swallowing the semen of one another....is is manly ?.!!!.


Who are you to determine what is and isn't " manly "??

Remember I am a a man . So I know what the majority of men want .
Swallowing semen, getting a penis in one's anus.....etc is not manly .


Why?? Because you sez so???

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Sun 01/03/10 05:11 PM
One thing I'll say about this thread.

Until KerryO and your self brought it up there hasn't been one religous arguement made concerning religion.

No wait, Winx said something earlier about it.