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Topic: Perception
MelodyGirl's photo
Thu 02/18/10 12:10 PM

I do agree with you,

Cops do have a standard uniform(depending on country) but a badge and a gun is normally part of it.


I guess the point I am trying to make is don't dress like trash and be expected to be treated with class.....

Guess what...if you are showing your b**bs guys are going to look, whether or not you catch them looking...if your skirt is so high that you need a hair net...again guys are going to look. they ARE going to judge you...whether or not they voice that judgement is a different story.

same goes for guys, example: if you are applying for an executive position...don't expect to get treated like an executive if you walk in with cut-off jean shirts and a flannel shirt with no t-shirt underneath...Everyone judges...and whether or not it's true WE are judged by the clothes we wear.


I agree with you on the job interview point; however, I do not agree with you on the illustration regarding women.

First, let's get off the female path and include men. Arbitrary example: all men that wear Nascar hats, have bald heads, goatees, jean shorts and drink Bud are education-less rednecks.

Now that the gender playing field is fair -- should people be treated like "trash" because of the way the dress? NO!

People are going to have their opinions; sure -- but intelligent people will push aside their opinions and treat all human beings with dignity whether they are bad dressers, hookers, homeless or former President George W (who is the stupidest person to walk the planet) and his mother Barbara.

Does anyone recall Barbara’s comments after Hurricane Katrina while being interviewed in Texas (in the dome) with the people who were relocated??

She said, when asked how it feels to help the community, "What I'm hearing, which is sort of scary, is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is so overwhelmed by the hospitality. And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this is working very well for them."

Talk about being judgmental of people who only had the clothes on their backs after Katrina!!! So she felt they were all poor?? :angry:

*breathe* I'm OK! :laughing:

no photo
Thu 02/18/10 12:13 PM
Edited by singmesweet on Thu 02/18/10 12:14 PM
You can't really compare someone wearing a cop uniform to someone who, in your opinion, is dressing trashy.

Besides, who's definition of trashy are you going with? Some men are going to think showing some cleavage is trashy. Others are going to think the outfit you described is trashy. Should women really not dress how they want to dress in order not to be judged by others?

Are they going to be treated differently if they're dressing a bit more classy? By some men, perhaps. Others, probably not.

misswright's photo
Thu 02/18/10 12:14 PM





No matter what way you slice it, you are going to judge, and be judged...whether it's right or wrong it's going to happen.


This is where your logic is flawed. While you are correct that you cannot control that you will be judged by others, you CAN control whether you judge others based solely on their "uniform". Again, the point is this: how you treat people, your actions, are the only thing that you can control. I choose not to judge a book by it's cover. It's a philosophy that has served me well and allowed me to get to know many interesting people. While you see a bum, a hooker, a VIP or a cop, I just see a person that breathes, eats, craps, and has feelings like everyone else.ohwell

Not debating that judgement occurs, merely pointing out that you are part of the problem, not the solution, if you think you can tell what type of a person someone is by their attire. The clothes do NOT make the man (or woman)!flowerforyou


Well, she made my point better than me.



blushing flowerforyou TY Fear. Rather large compliment coming from one of the better point makers.:wink:

Isaac man. noway Quit while you're behind. You're original post didn't mention looking only, it said you propositioned her because of her 'uniform'. Then you equated how somebody should be treated with how they look. Now you're falling back on the fact that we're biologically inclined to make a superficial initial judgement to determine flight or fight response. Yes, we ALL do that, for survival purposes but that's not the direction you've lead yourself in. You've come off, rightfully or not, as a rather shallow individual. Not saying you are, just stating what I observe.

The fact that the OP idea came from a comedy skit says it all. There was no moral to it...it was meant to be funny, not used as an example to justify being judgemental of people. You can, and in my opinion, should be 'truly' non-judgemental. It's not that far-fetched of an idea.flowerforyou

MelodyGirl's photo
Thu 02/18/10 12:21 PM
Edited by MelodyGirl on Thu 02/18/10 12:38 PM

you can never be 'truly' non-judgemental

You know in the FIRST instant whether you find someone attractive or not...it happens automatically...isn't that a form of judgement?


yes once you get to know someone your initial 'judgement' can change...but point is...you are going to judge right away.


Intelligent people will push aside their initial judgements and allow other circumstances to form their opinion.

Ignorant people will allow their initial judgement to be their final answer.

Open-minded vs. narrow-minded; common sense vs. illogic; ignorance vs. knowledge: What type of person do you want to be (or do I want to be)?

Also, and this is trivial, some people are so damn conservative! They need lighten up and live life to the fullest and stop caring about other people's business!! If I want to prance down Main Street topless then who cares?? If I get arrested fine but I don't need some bible-thumping, unadventurous person ranting in my face; their mentality is not how I live my life. I have to respect the law but I don't necessarily agree with it either. Out of respect, I wouldn't do the aforementioned and I guess that is the difference. *grr* I would just for the "in your face" value though. :laughing:

BTW, I do not judge God-fearing folks. I just used this as my example. winking

no photo
Thu 02/18/10 12:29 PM


you can never be 'truly' non-judgemental

You know in the FIRST instant whether you find someone attractive or not...it happens automatically...isn't that a form of judgement?


yes once you get to know someone your initial 'judgement' can change...but point is...you are going to judge right away.


Intelligent people will push aside their initial judgements and allow other circumstances to form their opinion.

Ignorant people will allow their initial judgement to be their final answer.

Open-minded vs. narrow-minded; common sense vs. illogic; ignorance vs. knowledge: What type of person do you want to be (or do I want to be)?

Also, and this is trivial, some people are so damn conservative! They need lighten up and live life to the fullest and stop caring about other people's business!! If I want to prance down Main Street topless then who cares?? If I get arrested fine but I don't need some bible-thumping, unadventurous person ranting in my face; their mentality is not how I live my life. I have to respect the law but I don't necessarily agree with it either. Out of respect, I wouldn't do the aforementioned and I guess that is the difference. *grr* I would just for the "in your face" value though. :laughing:


Well said. Melody is a smart woman!

isaac_dede's photo
Thu 02/18/10 05:34 PM


you can never be 'truly' non-judgemental

You know in the FIRST instant whether you find someone attractive or not...it happens automatically...isn't that a form of judgement?


yes once you get to know someone your initial 'judgement' can change...but point is...you are going to judge right away.


Intelligent people will push aside their initial judgements and allow other circumstances to form their opinion.

Ignorant people will allow their initial judgement to be their final answer.

Open-minded vs. narrow-minded; common sense vs. illogic; ignorance vs. knowledge: What type of person do you want to be (or do I want to be)?

Also, and this is trivial, some people are so damn conservative! They need lighten up and live life to the fullest and stop caring about other people's business!! If I want to prance down Main Street topless then who cares?? If I get arrested fine but I don't need some bible-thumping, unadventurous person ranting in my face; their mentality is not how I live my life. I have to respect the law but I don't necessarily agree with it either. Out of respect, I wouldn't do the aforementioned and I guess that is the difference. *grr* I would just for the "in your face" value though. :laughing:

BTW, I do not judge God-fearing folks. I just used this as my example. winking

True, but if you pranced down main street topless, and someone was looking at you, or hollering things to you, wouldn't you have to expect that?


isaac_dede's photo
Thu 02/18/10 05:59 PM






No matter what way you slice it, you are going to judge, and be judged...whether it's right or wrong it's going to happen.


This is where your logic is flawed. While you are correct that you cannot control that you will be judged by others, you CAN control whether you judge others based solely on their "uniform". Again, the point is this: how you treat people, your actions, are the only thing that you can control. I choose not to judge a book by it's cover. It's a philosophy that has served me well and allowed me to get to know many interesting people. While you see a bum, a hooker, a VIP or a cop, I just see a person that breathes, eats, craps, and has feelings like everyone else.ohwell

Not debating that judgement occurs, merely pointing out that you are part of the problem, not the solution, if you think you can tell what type of a person someone is by their attire. The clothes do NOT make the man (or woman)!flowerforyou


Well, she made my point better than me.



blushing flowerforyou TY Fear. Rather large compliment coming from one of the better point makers.:wink:

Isaac man. noway Quit while you're behind. You're original post didn't mention looking only, it said you propositioned her because of her 'uniform'. Then you equated how somebody should be treated with how they look. Now you're falling back on the fact that we're biologically inclined to make a superficial initial judgement to determine flight or fight response. Yes, we ALL do that, for survival purposes but that's not the direction you've lead yourself in. You've come off, rightfully or not, as a rather shallow individual. Not saying you are, just stating what I observe.

The fact that the OP idea came from a comedy skit says it all. There was no moral to it...it was meant to be funny, not used as an example to justify being judgemental of people. You can, and in my opinion, should be 'truly' non-judgemental. It's not that far-fetched of an idea.flowerforyou


"Those lovey, dovey sickeningly sweet couples that hang all over each other in public pisses me off too. Get a room! " let them be...don't judge them.

MelodyGirl's photo
Thu 02/18/10 06:06 PM



you can never be 'truly' non-judgemental

You know in the FIRST instant whether you find someone attractive or not...it happens automatically...isn't that a form of judgement?


yes once you get to know someone your initial 'judgement' can change...but point is...you are going to judge right away.


Intelligent people will push aside their initial judgements and allow other circumstances to form their opinion.

Ignorant people will allow their initial judgement to be their final answer.

Open-minded vs. narrow-minded; common sense vs. illogic; ignorance vs. knowledge: What type of person do you want to be (or do I want to be)?

Also, and this is trivial, some people are so damn conservative! They need lighten up and live life to the fullest and stop caring about other people's business!! If I want to prance down Main Street topless then who cares?? If I get arrested fine but I don't need some bible-thumping, unadventurous person ranting in my face; their mentality is not how I live my life. I have to respect the law but I don't necessarily agree with it either. Out of respect, I wouldn't do the aforementioned and I guess that is the difference. *grr* I would just for the "in your face" value though. :laughing:

BTW, I do not judge God-fearing folks. I just used this as my example. winking

True, but if you pranced down main street topless, and someone was looking at you, or hollering things to you, wouldn't you have to expect that?




Of course! I expect ignorance! :laughing:

isaac_dede's photo
Thu 02/18/10 06:11 PM


Of course! I expect ignorance! :laughing:

I never once said it wasn't ignorance...just that it is going to happen. :wink:

MelodyGirl's photo
Thu 02/18/10 08:42 PM



Of course! I expect ignorance! :laughing:

I never once said it wasn't ignorance...just that it is going to happen. :wink:


Well then, yes, I expect people to be pigs! :laughing:

I understand what you are saying. I am not one of those girls that has her hair coloured and becomes offended if someone asks -- or wears a low cut dress and gets made if a dude stares at my boobs.

flowers Isaac

isaac_dede's photo
Thu 02/18/10 09:51 PM




Of course! I expect ignorance! :laughing:

I never once said it wasn't ignorance...just that it is going to happen. :wink:


Well then, yes, I expect people to be pigs! :laughing:

I understand what you are saying. I am not one of those girls that has her hair coloured and becomes offended if someone asks -- or wears a low cut dress and gets made if a dude stares at my boobs.

flowers Isaac

I think Birthday's make you wiser :wink:

Dragoness's photo
Thu 02/18/10 10:17 PM
Since trashy dress is subjective to each person, your perception of trash is only yours and you are using your judgement on the other person. You are alone in your perception and will treat others with your personal prejudices as you see fit.

Doesn't make you right.

A woman has the right to dress how she wants and be treated with respect regardless.

There are women who can kick a man's butt and you never know who they are, I wouldn't push your luck in that department.

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