Topic: Perception
TxsGal3333's photo
Thu 02/18/10 09:40 AM
Truth is first impressions stick in our minds so dress the part that you want others to see you as.........for whether most want to admit it or not clothes does make a person at least through the eyes of others...........whoa

misswright's photo
Thu 02/18/10 09:44 AM


I guess the point I am trying to make is don't dress like trash and be expected to be treated with class.....


Apparently you missed my point. If they dress like trash, they should be treated like trash? Is this your implication here? If they dress classy, they will be treated classy? I would think that having class involves treating everyone with respect, regardless of how they dress.

Guess what...if you are showing your b**bs guys are going to look, whether or not you catch them looking...if your skirt is so high that you need a hair net...again guys are going to look. they ARE going to judge you...whether or not they voice that judgement is a different story.

same goes for guys, example: if you are applying for an executive position...don't expect to get treated like an executive if you walk in with cut-off jean shirts and a flannel shirt with no t-shirt underneath...Everyone judges...and whether or not it's true WE are judged by the clothes we wear.


There's no question whether it's true. We ARE judged by our clothes, but my point is that it's a pretty short-sighted view of the world and how we both judge and treat people should NOT depend on how they look. The employer may miss out on a brilliant mind with really innovative ideas for the company if he judges by the applicant's attire. Hence why an interview is given. To think that how a person looks should signal what kind of treatment they deserve is just absurd, in my opinion. Everybody should be treated with respect and dignity and judged for who they are, not how they look!flowerforyou


isaac_dede's photo
Thu 02/18/10 10:38 AM



I guess the point I am trying to make is don't dress like trash and be expected to be treated with class.....


Apparently you missed my point. If they dress like trash, they should be treated like trash? Is this your implication here? If they dress classy, they will be treated classy? I would think that having class involves treating everyone with respect, regardless of how they dress.

Guess what...if you are showing your b**bs guys are going to look, whether or not you catch them looking...if your skirt is so high that you need a hair net...again guys are going to look. they ARE going to judge you...whether or not they voice that judgement is a different story.

same goes for guys, example: if you are applying for an executive position...don't expect to get treated like an executive if you walk in with cut-off jean shirts and a flannel shirt with no t-shirt underneath...Everyone judges...and whether or not it's true WE are judged by the clothes we wear.


There's no question whether it's true. We ARE judged by our clothes, but my point is that it's a pretty short-sighted view of the world and how we both judge and treat people should NOT depend on how they look. The employer may miss out on a brilliant mind with really innovative ideas for the company if he judges by the applicant's attire. Hence why an interview is given. To think that how a person looks should signal what kind of treatment they deserve is just absurd, in my opinion. Everybody should be treated with respect and dignity and judged for who they are, not how they look!flowerforyou



In a perfect world yes...but we all know we don't live in anything close to a perferct world.

In my opinion he may miss out on a brilliant mind...but then again if that mind is smart enough to dress for the occasion...then....

papersmile's photo
Thu 02/18/10 10:41 AM
i don't think an official uniform can be compared with personal choice of dressing.

i.e. wearing a badge is a far cry from a mini skirt.

no photo
Thu 02/18/10 11:02 AM
Think i'll go walk down the street in a nurse uniform. See how the neighbours react. laugh

isaac_dede's photo
Thu 02/18/10 11:05 AM

Think i'll go walk down the street in a nurse uniform. See how the neighbours react. laugh

better yet a french maid outfit.....lol.

no photo
Thu 02/18/10 11:26 AM
French maid outfit? Oooh la la

FearandLoathing's photo
Thu 02/18/10 11:31 AM




I guess the point I am trying to make is don't dress like trash and be expected to be treated with class.....


Apparently you missed my point. If they dress like trash, they should be treated like trash? Is this your implication here? If they dress classy, they will be treated classy? I would think that having class involves treating everyone with respect, regardless of how they dress.

Guess what...if you are showing your b**bs guys are going to look, whether or not you catch them looking...if your skirt is so high that you need a hair net...again guys are going to look. they ARE going to judge you...whether or not they voice that judgement is a different story.

same goes for guys, example: if you are applying for an executive position...don't expect to get treated like an executive if you walk in with cut-off jean shirts and a flannel shirt with no t-shirt underneath...Everyone judges...and whether or not it's true WE are judged by the clothes we wear.


There's no question whether it's true. We ARE judged by our clothes, but my point is that it's a pretty short-sighted view of the world and how we both judge and treat people should NOT depend on how they look. The employer may miss out on a brilliant mind with really innovative ideas for the company if he judges by the applicant's attire. Hence why an interview is given. To think that how a person looks should signal what kind of treatment they deserve is just absurd, in my opinion. Everybody should be treated with respect and dignity and judged for who they are, not how they look!flowerforyou



In a perfect world yes...but we all know we don't live in anything close to a perferct world.

In my opinion he may miss out on a brilliant mind...but then again if that mind is smart enough to dress for the occasion...then....


"In a perfect world"...is the equivalent of "look over there!" as you scamper off in the other direction...

I hear it a lot when people can't come up with a substantial rebuttal or claim. Don't make excuses for choices you partake in, man up to them...it is already evident throughout this thread that you would rather judge someone by the shoes they are wearing than get to know them.


isaac_dede's photo
Thu 02/18/10 11:37 AM
Edited by isaac_dede on Thu 02/18/10 11:41 AM





I guess the point I am trying to make is don't dress like trash and be expected to be treated with class.....


Apparently you missed my point. If they dress like trash, they should be treated like trash? Is this your implication here? If they dress classy, they will be treated classy? I would think that having class involves treating everyone with respect, regardless of how they dress.

Guess what...if you are showing your b**bs guys are going to look, whether or not you catch them looking...if your skirt is so high that you need a hair net...again guys are going to look. they ARE going to judge you...whether or not they voice that judgement is a different story.

same goes for guys, example: if you are applying for an executive position...don't expect to get treated like an executive if you walk in with cut-off jean shirts and a flannel shirt with no t-shirt underneath...Everyone judges...and whether or not it's true WE are judged by the clothes we wear.


There's no question whether it's true. We ARE judged by our clothes, but my point is that it's a pretty short-sighted view of the world and how we both judge and treat people should NOT depend on how they look. The employer may miss out on a brilliant mind with really innovative ideas for the company if he judges by the applicant's attire. Hence why an interview is given. To think that how a person looks should signal what kind of treatment they deserve is just absurd, in my opinion. Everybody should be treated with respect and dignity and judged for who they are, not how they look!flowerforyou



In a perfect world yes...but we all know we don't live in anything close to a perferct world.

In my opinion he may miss out on a brilliant mind...but then again if that mind is smart enough to dress for the occasion...then....


"In a perfect world"...is the equivalent of "look over there!" as you scamper off in the other direction...

I hear it a lot when people can't come up with a substantial rebuttal or claim. Don't make excuses for choices you partake in, man up to them...it is already evident throughout this thread that you would rather judge someone by the shoes they are wearing than get to know them.


Not true, This is an example I heard from a stand-up comedian that made me think. Unfortunately it is true that people ARE going to judge you by what you wear...as I'm aware you already know that. No matter what way you slice it, you are going to judge, and be judged...whether it's right or wrong it's going to happen.

my point being just be aware it is going to happen...

FearandLoathing's photo
Thu 02/18/10 11:45 AM






I guess the point I am trying to make is don't dress like trash and be expected to be treated with class.....


Apparently you missed my point. If they dress like trash, they should be treated like trash? Is this your implication here? If they dress classy, they will be treated classy? I would think that having class involves treating everyone with respect, regardless of how they dress.

Guess what...if you are showing your b**bs guys are going to look, whether or not you catch them looking...if your skirt is so high that you need a hair net...again guys are going to look. they ARE going to judge you...whether or not they voice that judgement is a different story.

same goes for guys, example: if you are applying for an executive position...don't expect to get treated like an executive if you walk in with cut-off jean shirts and a flannel shirt with no t-shirt underneath...Everyone judges...and whether or not it's true WE are judged by the clothes we wear.


There's no question whether it's true. We ARE judged by our clothes, but my point is that it's a pretty short-sighted view of the world and how we both judge and treat people should NOT depend on how they look. The employer may miss out on a brilliant mind with really innovative ideas for the company if he judges by the applicant's attire. Hence why an interview is given. To think that how a person looks should signal what kind of treatment they deserve is just absurd, in my opinion. Everybody should be treated with respect and dignity and judged for who they are, not how they look!flowerforyou



In a perfect world yes...but we all know we don't live in anything close to a perferct world.

In my opinion he may miss out on a brilliant mind...but then again if that mind is smart enough to dress for the occasion...then....


"In a perfect world"...is the equivalent of "look over there!" as you scamper off in the other direction...

I hear it a lot when people can't come up with a substantial rebuttal or claim. Don't make excuses for choices you partake in, man up to them...it is already evident throughout this thread that you would rather judge someone by the shoes they are wearing than get to know them.


Not true, This is an example I heard from a stand-up comedian that made me think. Unfortunately it is true that people ARE going to judge you by what you wear...as I'm aware you already know that. No matter what way you slice it, you are going to judge, and be judged...whether it's right or wrong it's going to happen.


You missed the point. I know people do that, but does that mean that in some manner it is the right thing to do? No, it isn't, regardless of how you "slice it." It will happen, and unfortunately society frowns on individuality anymore, and out "freedom" goes through the window. It really sounds like you are just trying to justify the fact that people do it instead of breaking out of the "norm" and making your own decision.

isaac_dede's photo
Thu 02/18/10 11:48 AM


You missed the point. I know people do that, but does that mean that in some manner it is the right thing to do? No, it isn't, regardless of how you "slice it." It will happen, and unfortunately society frowns on individuality anymore, and out "freedom" goes through the window. It really sounds like you are just trying to justify the fact that people do it instead of breaking out of the "norm" and making your own decision.


I'm not saying whether it's right or wrong, because those two have their own definitions depending on the individual. But you should be aware that it is going to happen, in fact, you should expect that it is going happen..but then when it does happen people are upset that it happened....they already knew it would. So why get offended?

FearandLoathing's photo
Thu 02/18/10 11:51 AM



You missed the point. I know people do that, but does that mean that in some manner it is the right thing to do? No, it isn't, regardless of how you "slice it." It will happen, and unfortunately society frowns on individuality anymore, and out "freedom" goes through the window. It really sounds like you are just trying to justify the fact that people do it instead of breaking out of the "norm" and making your own decision.


I'm not saying whether it's right or wrong, because those two have their own definitions depending on the individual. But you should be aware that it is going to happen, in fact, you should expect that it is going happen..but then when it does happen people are upset that it happened....they already knew it would. So why get offended?


Dunno, should ask them. I personally don't care and am rather used to it happening. I just think basing assumptions on the way someone looks is rather narrow, but then again, I'm outside the "walls"...so-to-speak.

isaac_dede's photo
Thu 02/18/10 11:52 AM
If I walked around with my dingaling hanging out, and I caught a girl looking, I don't believe I would have any right to get upset at her for looking.


no photo
Thu 02/18/10 11:53 AM

I know people do that, but does that mean that in some manner it is the right thing to do?


Scientifically the human mind is made to make a 'thumbs up or thumbs down' decision about people within the first two seconds (goes back to early cavemen days). I personally am very non-judgemental. I give everyone 100% respect until they do something to take that respect away.

MelodyGirl's photo
Thu 02/18/10 11:53 AM


Most people's perception defines their reality. Sad but true.

True,
and I do agree with Melody as well that there are double standards. However, the reality is people ARE going to judge you RIGHT AWAY. Unconciously, even. And then form an opinion...the opinion can change over time. But the initial judgement won't go away.




You are right, Isaac, and I feel sorry for people that judge. I have zero tolerance for those types of people regardless of how "sorry" they are for acting like a fool. I don't have people in my life that are so ignorant.

They can twist in their unhappiness and narrow-minded ways while I enjoy life with people that feel the same as me! :banana:

isaac_dede's photo
Thu 02/18/10 11:54 AM

If I walked around with my dingaling hanging out, and I caught a girl looking, I don't believe I would have any right to get upset at her for looking.




I mean I would be the one putting it on display.....



FearandLoathing's photo
Thu 02/18/10 11:57 AM

If I walked around with my dingaling hanging out, and I caught a girl looking, I don't believe I would have any right to get upset at her for looking.




Talk to her about it then, everything here is pointless because it doesn't pertain to any of us. We have nothing to defend.

misswright's photo
Thu 02/18/10 11:57 AM



No matter what way you slice it, you are going to judge, and be judged...whether it's right or wrong it's going to happen.


This is where your logic is flawed. While you are correct that you cannot control that you will be judged by others, you CAN control whether you judge others based solely on their "uniform". Again, the point is this: how you treat people, your actions, are the only thing that you can control. I choose not to judge a book by it's cover. It's a philosophy that has served me well and allowed me to get to know many interesting people. While you see a bum, a hooker, a VIP or a cop, I just see a person that breathes, eats, craps, and has feelings like everyone else.ohwell

Not debating that judgement occurs, merely pointing out that you are part of the problem, not the solution, if you think you can tell what type of a person someone is by their attire. The clothes do NOT make the man (or woman)!flowerforyou

FearandLoathing's photo
Thu 02/18/10 11:59 AM




No matter what way you slice it, you are going to judge, and be judged...whether it's right or wrong it's going to happen.


This is where your logic is flawed. While you are correct that you cannot control that you will be judged by others, you CAN control whether you judge others based solely on their "uniform". Again, the point is this: how you treat people, your actions, are the only thing that you can control. I choose not to judge a book by it's cover. It's a philosophy that has served me well and allowed me to get to know many interesting people. While you see a bum, a hooker, a VIP or a cop, I just see a person that breathes, eats, craps, and has feelings like everyone else.ohwell

Not debating that judgement occurs, merely pointing out that you are part of the problem, not the solution, if you think you can tell what type of a person someone is by their attire. The clothes do NOT make the man (or woman)!flowerforyou


Well, she made my point better than me.

isaac_dede's photo
Thu 02/18/10 12:04 PM
you can never be 'truly' non-judgemental

You know in the FIRST instant whether you find someone attractive or not...it happens automatically...isn't that a form of judgement?


yes once you get to know someone your initial 'judgement' can change...but point is...you are going to judge right away.