Kill American Citizens.

Great political move for Obummer. Throw another one under the bus.

Suppose we'll see those sleeper moderate muslims here raise their ugly heads?

Who was was it that said, know thy enemy? http://muslimmatters.org/2010/04/09/obama-wants-to-assassinate-anwar-al-awlaki/

This is really sad. Whatever happened to the justice and law of Democracy that Obama and the American government claim they represent? Assassinating American citizens is the Democratic way? This call for the assassination of an American citizen who hasn’t been charged is anti-American, unconstitutional and will only increase intolerance amongst Muslim countries and America. I don’t agree with what al-Awlaki has said with regards to his call for Jihad, but this is outrageous. The fact that Obama approves of killing an American citizen who has not been charged for a crime is what concerns me.

I’ve pasted two articles from the New York Times and the Washington Post. After that I have included a good article by Glenn Greenwald. I also added two videos from Olbermann on this issue.
News articles

U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration has taken the extraordinary step of authorizing the targeted killing of an American citizen, the radical Muslim cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, who is believed to have shifted from encouraging attacks on the United States to directly participating in them, intelligence and counterterrorism officials said Tuesday.

Mr. Awlaki, who was born in New Mexico and spent years in the United States as an imam, is in hiding in Yemen. He has been the focus of intense scrutiny since he was linked to Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the Army psychiatrist accused of killing 13 people at Fort Hood, Tex., in November, and then to Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the Nigerian man charged with trying to blow up a Detroit-bound airliner on Dec. 25.

American counterterrorism officials say Mr. Awlaki is an operative of Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, the affiliate of the terror network in Yemen and Saudi Arabia. They say they believe that he has become a recruiter for the terrorist network, feeding prospects into plots aimed at the United States and at Americans abroad, the officials said.

It is extremely rare, if not unprecedented, for an American to be approved for targeted killing, officials said. A former senior legal official in the administration of George W. Bush said he did not know of any American who was approved for targeted killing under the former president.

But the director of national intelligence, Dennis C. Blair, told a House hearing in February that such a step was possible. “We take direct actions against terrorists in the intelligence community,” he said. “If we think that direct action will involve killing an American, we get specific permission to do that.” He did not name Mr. Awlaki as a target.

The step taken against Mr. Awlaki, which occurred earlier this year, is a vivid illustration of his rise to prominence in the constellation of terrorist leaders. But his popularity as a cleric, whose lectures on Islamic scripture have a large following among English-speaking Muslims, means any action against him could rebound against the United States in the larger ideological campaign against Al Qaeda.

The possibility that Mr. Awlaki might be added to the target list was reported by The Los Angeles Times in January, and Reuters reported on Tuesday that he was approved for capture or killing.

“The danger Awlaki poses to this country is no longer confined to words,” said an American official, who like other current and former officials interviewed for this article spoke of the classified counterterrorism measures on the condition of anonymity. “He’s gotten involved in plots.”

The official added: “The United States works, exactly as the American people expect, to overcome threats to their security, and this individual — through his own actions — has become one. Awlaki knows what he’s done, and he knows he won’t be met with handshakes and flowers. None of this should surprise anyone.”

As a general principle, international law permits the use of lethal force against individuals and groups that pose an imminent threat to a country, and officials said that was the standard used in adding names to the list of targets. In addition, Congress approved the use of military force against Al Qaeda after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. People on the target list are considered to be military enemies of the United States and therefore not subject to the ban on political assassination first approved by President Gerald R. Ford.

Both the C.I.A. and the military maintain lists of terrorists linked to Al Qaeda and its affiliates who are approved for capture or killing, former officials said. But because Mr. Awlaki is an American, his inclusion on those lists had to be approved by the National Security Council, the officials said.

At a panel discussion in Washington on Tuesday, Representative Jane Harman, Democrat of California and chairwoman of a House subcommittee on homeland security, called Mr. Awlaki “probably the person, the terrorist, who would be terrorist No. 1 in terms of threat against us.”

Source: New York Times

Muslim cleric Aulaqi is 1st U.S. citizen on list of those CIA is allowed to kill

By Greg Miller
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, April 7, 2010
A Muslim cleric tied to the attempted bombing of a Detroit-bound airliner has become the first U.S. citizen added to a list of suspected terrorists the CIA is authorized to kill, a U.S. official said Tuesday.

Anwar al-Aulaqi, who resides in Yemen, was previously placed on a target list maintained by the U.S. military’s Joint Special Operations Command and has survived at least one strike carried out by Yemeni forces with U.S. assistance against a gathering of suspected al-Qaeda operatives.

Because he is a U.S. citizen, adding Aulaqi to the CIA list required special approval from the White House, officials said. The move means that Aulaqi would be considered a legitimate target not only for a military strike carried out by U.S. and Yemeni forces, but also for lethal CIA operations.

“He’s in everybody’s sights,” said the U.S. official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the topic’s sensitivity.

CIA spokesman Paul Gimigliano said: “This agency conducts its counterterrorism operations in strict accord with the law.”

The decision to add Aulaqi to the CIA target list reflects the view among agency analysts that a man previously regarded mainly as a militant preacher has taken on an expanded role in al-Qaeda’s Yemen-based offshoot.

“He’s recently become an operational figure for al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula,” said a second U.S. official. “He’s working actively to kill Americans, so it’s both lawful and sensible to try to stop him.” The official stressed that there are “careful procedures our government follows in these kinds of cases, but U.S. citizenship hardly gives you blanket protection overseas to plot the murder of your fellow citizens.”

Aulaqi corresponded by e-mail with Maj. Nidal M. Hasan, the Army psychiatrist accused of killing 12 soldiers and one civilian at Fort Hood, Tex., last year. Aulaqi is not believed to have helped plan the attack, although he praised Hasan in an online posting for carrying it out.

Concern grew about the cleric’s role after he was linked to the Nigerian accused of attempting to bomb a U.S. airliner on Christmas Day by detonating an explosive device he had smuggled in his underwear. Aulaqi acknowledged teaching and corresponding with the Nigerian but denied ordering the attack.

The CIA is known to have carried out at least one Predator strike in Yemen. A U.S. citizen, Kamal Derwish, was among six alleged al-Qaeda operatives killed in that 2002 operation but was not the target.[/qoute]

I say kill the bastard.

I say kill them all! Problem with that is I know some Muslims and they are not about the whole Jihad movement.

Still we SHOULD KILL ALL TALIBAN, AL QUIEDA, and ALL SYMPATHIZERS!

They declared Holy War. Now it is time we declared ALL OUT WAR on them!

What sucks is all the innocent people caught between the madmen in this fight!

I hope I never come across any Islamics preaching Jihad here. I don't think I will stand around and put up with that any more! F the law here if they won't act! This is about protecting my community from these beligerant bastards!

Trust me they DO believe in the Jihad, they are just good liars. It is every Muslims duty to kill the non beleving infadels.

Proud to be an American Infidel here.

This may not be a popular position, but I don't and will never agree with the government approving the assassination of an American citizen. Once this becomes a precedent, where does it end? Today it's some muslim jihadist, tomorrow it might be someone else.

This is a line that under no circumstances should be crossed.

This is something a President has been able to do and it has been used over the years, and never abused. I saw kill ALL the terrorists and their supporters no matter what country they are from, as long they have proof that they are.

Assassinating American citizens?

A direct violation of the 5th Amendment.

You can't pick and choose what part of the constitution you follow or not follow.

So what are we supposed to do? Drag him back and imprison him?

Personally I wish our Military had the balls General Black Jack Pershing did!

Defile them in death so they are denied heaven! Force them to eat pork and show them declaring holy war is bad for them.

Ummmm. This is like the police taking out a crazed sniper (American citizen) who is trying to kill people in the street below.

It is a matter of imminent harm and public safety.

If you have a shot at him - take it.

Hell Yes!! Kill them all!!! Iraquis, Koreans (dont they look weird?) Kids with Downs syndrome, god we need to get rid of aLL kids that arent Like we OPPS thank god I am not like u!!)n U HAVE TO ....Never mind get butts ready fot

It's safe for the administration to make big claims of what they will do.

Only thing is, he's in an area where he is protected and "legally" can't be touched.

The police making a decision on the use of deadly force isn't the government sanctioning an assassination.

I'm telling you all, this is a line that ought not be crossed.

This is not true.

Pretty prejudice too.

Shaming America too.

This is nothing new.

Obama has absolutely nothing to do with this guy and his ideals.

There is no connection to Obama to be made.

"Because of what U.S. officials view as al-Awlaki's growing role with al-Qaida, the Obama administration placed him on the CIA's list of targets for assassination — despite his American citizenship."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100523/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_yemen_radical_cleric

As I said before, you can't pick and choose when you want the rights afforded by the constitution to apply or not be applied.

I doubt that any of you were cheering on the FBI or ATF during the Ruby Ridge or Waco standoffs.

How did those turn out?

Is that the way you want this government to deal with citizens?

shooting them through doors or setting their building on fire..

Government sanctioned assassinations... yeah.. great idea..

Sorry I think you are wrong on this. This is an individual who is illegally mass murdering other U.S. citizens. It does not matter if he is also a U.S. citizen or not. He must be stopped - same as if he was a sniper. Except the sniper only picks them off one at a time and this guy murders en masse with tools of terrorism and wholesale slaughter. It is exactly the same as a policeman taking down someone who has been firing live ammunition and killing people in a public setting.

It is not an "assassination" if the person is actively attacking our citizens. It is warfare, self-defense and justice.

I'm not defending what this guy is doing. He is a little jihadist taking advantage of mentally disturbed people by getting them to carry out acts that he doesn't have the guts to do himself.

I get all that.

What you don't seem to be understanding is that this sets a precedent that can then be used later as justification for other ruby ridges and wacos.

Getting labeled a terrorist isn't all that hard to accomplish these days. I suggest you be careful of what you wish for.

So people want to play semantics? Fine.

How about hiring a team of foreign mercenaries from say Russia?

Have them go into Yemen and with full air support storm the Mosque he is hiding in.

They shoot the hell out of everything in it indiscriminately to send a message some crazy MFs are very mad at the 'target.' Then they can drag him off alive and toss him to us where we can administer American Justice on him. How much do you want to bet the ACLU would have puppies over that!

Fact: A holy war is a "KILL THEM ALL" proposition when it is declared. They (Jihadists) want to kill us all INDISCRIMINATELY. They have the money, means, and wherewithal to do it. Killing Civilians to them also means killing children and they like to do that and make the parents watch.

Fact: Principles only carries so far. When an opponent knows you will not cross certain lines THEY WILL CROSS THEM! They put children up to carrying IDMs in the name of Martyrdom. They send women in to do the same thing while these Clerics preach hate and convince others to do their dirty work. They also have a price for human life paid to the families of their suicide bombers! Between 25 and 50K US dollars.

Fact: General Black Jack Pershing had the perfect answer for dealing with Islamic insurgents. There is nothing morally questionable with his actions. He found out how to scare them into behaving. he punished those who deserved it and defiled them in death in a way that true Islamics would be TERRIFIED with. They like to use terror? Well, we need to employ our own brand!

Also it is time to take off the gloves, drop a nuke on the N Korean Artillery fields that threaten Seoul, and cross their boarder in style! it is time for this farce of a truce to end and the same for the war. it is time to take the current regime out. China needs to stop playing both sides of the fence and end this madness once and for all but they like things the way they are because Koreans united would present a serious industrial competitor and they are no slouch nation for manufacture. Pandering to the Kim Jong Il Dynasty is a JOKE! Time for him to get his clock cleaned! End the war by ending the war the right way! Take out the enemy leader. The South Koreans can deal with the aftermath and the N Korean people will be a lot happier when it is over!

Honestly there is no easy answer but at times you have to hit below the belt. How many constitutional violations occurred with Ruby Ridge? And Janet Reno was punished for that how???? If the target is not on our soil and you cannot capture him what do you do? Let him pull off another 9-11?

Predator Drone and Hellfire missile handles that nicely. How about a Tomahawk loaded to the gills with C4 and Willie Pete? I like those answered. Then again a hit team and a single bullet spares more lives than just dropping bombs on them and it shows these crazy azzholes they are not safe anywhere to be mouthy azzholes bent on inciting mass destruction.

It is all about making a statmnt more than living up to some over bloated sense of morals.

So people want to play semantics? Fine.

How about hiring a team of foreign mercenaries from say Russia?

Have them go into Yemen and with full air support storm the Mosque he is hiding in.

They shoot the hell out of everything in it indiscriminately to send a message some crazy MFs are very mad at the 'target.' Then they can drag him off alive and toss him to us where we can administer American Justice on him. How much do you want to bet the ACLU would have puppies over that!

Fact: A holy war is a "KILL THEM ALL" proposition when it is declared. They (Jihadists) want to kill us all INDISCRIMINATELY. They have the money, means, and wherewithal to do it. Killing Civilians to them also means killing children and they like to do that and make the parents watch.

Fact: Principles only carries so far. When an opponent knows you will not cross certain lines THEY WILL CROSS THEM! They put children up to carrying IDMs in the name of Martyrdom. They send women in to do the same thing while these Clerics preach hate and convince others to do their dirty work. They also have a price for human life paid to the families of their suicide bombers! Between 25 and 50K US dollars.

Fact: General Black Jack Pershing had the perfect answer for dealing with Islamic insurgents. There is nothing morally questionable with his actions. He found out how to scare them into behaving. he punished those who deserved it and defiled them in death in a way that true Islamics would be TERRIFIED with. They like to use terror? Well, we need to employ our own brand!

Also it is time to take off the gloves, drop a nuke on the N Korean Artillery fields that threaten Seoul, and cross their boarder in style! it is time for this farce of a truce to end and the same for the war. it is time to take the current regime out. China needs to stop playing both sides of the fence and end this madness once and for all but they like things the way they are because Koreans united would present a serious industrial competitor and they are no slouch nation for manufacture. Pandering to the Kim Jong Il Dynasty is a JOKE! Time for him to get his clock cleaned! End the war by ending the war the right way! Take out the enemy leader. The South Koreans can deal with the aftermath and the N Korean people will be a lot happier when it is over!

Honestly there is no easy answer but at times you have to hit below the belt. How many constitutional violations occurred with Ruby Ridge? And Janet Reno was punished for that how???? If the target is not on our soil and you cannot capture him what do you do? Let him pull off another 9-11?

Predator Drone and Hellfire missile handles that nicely. How about a Tomahawk loaded to the gills with C4 and Willie Pete? I like those answered. Then again a hit team and a single bullet spares more lives than just dropping bombs on them and it shows these crazy azzholes they are not safe anywhere to be mouthy azzholes bent on inciting mass destruction.

It is all about making a statement more than living up to some over bloated sense of morals. If this person's actions are leading to the deaths of innocent people he deserves to die like an animal!

What do you think he would do to you if he was standing over you right now and your were bound to a table? Apologize? (You seriously were not about to say that were you? If you were... I got some prime Arizona beach front real estate and a Bridge in Brooklyn to sell to you.

Military force is not supposed to be used on American Civilians on American soil. That does not mean they can't deal with fugitives abroad!

Sorry but I cannot see the point of trying to keep to the moral high ground all of the time! If you can't adapt to meet the challenges facing us from our enemies we are doomed to die! I don't feel that doomed.

The world is an effed up place when happiness is a warm gun!

Bang bang!

Shoot shoot!