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"Papieren, bitte. Kommen Sie mit." ... Think that's beyond the realm of possibility ... ? Well, chirrens, welcome to the Real World ... The Census - you know, those people with clipboards and handheld GPS units to identify YOUR address who knock on your door - is ALLOWED BY LAW to FORCE whoever you're renting from to GRANT ACCESS to your apartment EVEN IF you're not home. Live with THAT, all who think that this is a benign enterprise ... "Kommen Sie mit. JETZT!" ... Welcome to the 'Brave New World' ... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://blogs.ajc.com/bob-barr-blog/2010/05/26/census-workers-can-enter-your-apartment-in-your-absence/ Census workers can enter your apartment in your absence 6:00 am May 26, 2010, by Bob Barr Thousands of census workers, including many temporary employees, are fanning out across America to gather information on the citizenry. This is a process that takes place not only every decade in order to complete the constitutionally-mandated census; but also as part of the continuing “American Community Survey” conducted by the Census Bureau on a regular basis year in and year out. What many Americans don’t realize, is that census workers — from the head of the Bureau and the Secretary of Commerce (its parent agency) down to the lowliest and newest Census employee — are empowered under federal law to actually demand access to any apartment or any other type of home or room that is rented out, in order to count persons in the abode and for “the collection of statistics.” If the landlord of such apartment or other leased premises refuses to grant the government worker access to your living quarters, whether you are present or not, the landlord can be fined $500.00. That’s right — not only can citizens be fined if they fail to answer the increasingly intrusive questions asked of them by the federal government under the guise of simply counting the number of people in the country; but a landlord must give them access to your apartment whether you’re there or not, in order to gather whatever “statistics” the law permits. In fact, some census workers apparently are going even further and demanding — and receiving — private cell phone numbers from landlords in order to call tenants and obtain information from them. Isn’t it great to live in a “free” country? What garbage! I cannot believe people actually believe this crap. 
its not that they believe crap its that there are fewer and fewer with reading comprehension skills....NOONE can come in your apartment when you arent there(without a warrant anyhow) , landlords giving ACCESS means that they must let workers in the building to access the apartments(knock on the doors) and gather information. but dont trust someone who has actually TAKEN the test and been directed on the rules and regulations,,,,nooo,, trust inaccurate interpretation of a 'law' |
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Here's the law - chapter and verse - that 'authorizes' Census workers to enter the UNOCCUPIED residence of a tenant under penalty of law for the owner of the property ... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode13/usc_sec_13_00000223----000-.html TITLE 13 > CHAPTER 7 > SUBCHAPTER II > § 223 § 223. Refusal, by owners, proprietors, etc., to assist census employees How Current is This? ... http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/HowCurrent.php/?tn=13&fragid=T13F00078&extid=usc_sec_13_00000223----000-&sourcedate=2009-10-27&proctime=Wed%20Oct%2028%2006:49:22%202009 Whoever, being the owner, proprietor, manager, superintendent, or agent of any hotel, apartment house, boarding or lodging house, tenement, or other building, refuses or willfully neglects, when requested by the Secretary or by any other officer or employee of the Department of Commerce or bureau or agency thereof, acting under the instructions of the Secretary, to furnish the names of the occupants of such premises, or to give free ingress thereto and egress therefrom to any duly accredited representative of such Department or bureau or agency thereof, so as to permit the collection of statistics with respect to any census provided for in subchapters I and II of chapter 5 of this title, or any survey authorized by subchapter IV or V of such chapter insofar as such survey relates to any of the subjects for which censuses are provided by such subchapters I and II, including, when relevant to the census or survey being taken or made, the proper and correct enumeration of all persons having their usual place of abode in such premises, shall be fined not more than $500. nowhere here does it say they can FORCE their way into your home,,,,intentional false paraphrasing,,,, it says owners cant REFUSE to allow workers access to gather the information,,, Why is it so hard to believe that the LAW says exactly what it SAYS it says ... ? ... and people wonder why the AZ law is so confusing - well, hell, it's 17 pages - this is just a paragraph ... liberals don't have long attention spans - and their 'powers of comprehension' are just non-existent ... |
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Here's the law - chapter and verse - that 'authorizes' Census workers to enter the UNOCCUPIED residence of a tenant under penalty of law for the owner of the property ... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode13/usc_sec_13_00000223----000-.html TITLE 13 > CHAPTER 7 > SUBCHAPTER II > § 223 § 223. Refusal, by owners, proprietors, etc., to assist census employees How Current is This? ... http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/HowCurrent.php/?tn=13&fragid=T13F00078&extid=usc_sec_13_00000223----000-&sourcedate=2009-10-27&proctime=Wed%20Oct%2028%2006:49:22%202009 Whoever, being the owner, proprietor, manager, superintendent, or agent of any hotel, apartment house, boarding or lodging house, tenement, or other building, refuses or willfully neglects, when requested by the Secretary or by any other officer or employee of the Department of Commerce or bureau or agency thereof, acting under the instructions of the Secretary, to furnish the names of the occupants of such premises, or to give free ingress thereto and egress therefrom to any duly accredited representative of such Department or bureau or agency thereof, so as to permit the collection of statistics with respect to any census provided for in subchapters I and II of chapter 5 of this title, or any survey authorized by subchapter IV or V of such chapter insofar as such survey relates to any of the subjects for which censuses are provided by such subchapters I and II, including, when relevant to the census or survey being taken or made, the proper and correct enumeration of all persons having their usual place of abode in such premises, shall be fined not more than $500. nowhere here does it say they can FORCE their way into your home,,,,intentional false paraphrasing,,,, it says owners cant REFUSE to allow workers access to gather the information,,, Why is it so hard to believe that the LAW says exactly what it SAYS it says ... ? ... and people wonder why the AZ law is so confusing - well, hell, it's 17 pages - this is just a paragraph ... liberals don't have long attention spans - and their 'powers of comprehension' are just non-existent ... Why is it hard to believe that it doesnt STATE anyone can ENTER your home when you arent there? Or to use common sense as to just how a worker would count how many to a home by entering an empty one? that makes absolutely no sense,,,more workings of paranoid minds |
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"In the end, the Census Bureau has the legal authority to conduct the survey and legally has the option of imposing fines for non-compliance. Some hypothesize that the Census Bureau will not take legal action against, or pursue fines for, noncompliance with the ACS because doing so would likely attract much negative media attention. Moreover, since there are no reported instances of the Census Bureau taking legal or financial action, some speculate that the Census Bureau's threats carry no weight. Nevertheless, fines and legal action are technically possible, until the laws are changed. At least one petition to stop the ACS has been created."
http://www.wisegeek.com/do-i-have-to-respond-to-the-acs.htm There has never been a fine imposed nor a forced entry by a census worker regardless to the antiquated laws on the books. |
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http://2010.census.gov/2010census/privacy/more-security-topics.php
Identifying the Census Taker All census takers carry official government badges marked with just their name You may also ask them for a picture ID from another source to confirm their identity Some census workers might carry a "U.S. Census Bureau" bag If you still are not certain about their identity, please call the Regional Census Center to confirm they're employed by the Census Bureau. Most importantly, the Census Bureau will NEVER, under any circumstances, ask to enter your home. |
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Fearmongering
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Here's the law - chapter and verse - that 'authorizes' Census workers to enter the UNOCCUPIED residence of a tenant under penalty of law for the owner of the property ... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode13/usc_sec_13_00000223----000-.html TITLE 13 > CHAPTER 7 > SUBCHAPTER II > § 223 § 223. Refusal, by owners, proprietors, etc., to assist census employees How Current is This? ... http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/HowCurrent.php/?tn=13&fragid=T13F00078&extid=usc_sec_13_00000223----000-&sourcedate=2009-10-27&proctime=Wed%20Oct%2028%2006:49:22%202009 Whoever, being the owner, proprietor, manager, superintendent, or agent of any hotel, apartment house, boarding or lodging house, tenement, or other building, refuses or willfully neglects, when requested by the Secretary or by any other officer or employee of the Department of Commerce or bureau or agency thereof, acting under the instructions of the Secretary, to furnish the names of the occupants of such premises, or to give free ingress thereto and egress therefrom to any duly accredited representative of such Department or bureau or agency thereof, so as to permit the collection of statistics with respect to any census provided for in subchapters I and II of chapter 5 of this title, or any survey authorized by subchapter IV or V of such chapter insofar as such survey relates to any of the subjects for which censuses are provided by such subchapters I and II, including, when relevant to the census or survey being taken or made, the proper and correct enumeration of all persons having their usual place of abode in such premises, shall be fined not more than $500. nowhere here does it say they can FORCE their way into your home,,,,intentional false paraphrasing,,,, it says owners cant REFUSE to allow workers access to gather the information,,, Why is it so hard to believe that the LAW says exactly what it SAYS it says ... ? ... and people wonder why the AZ law is so confusing - well, hell, it's 17 pages - this is just a paragraph ... liberals don't have long attention spans - and their 'powers of comprehension' are just non-existent ... Why is it hard to believe that it doesnt STATE anyone can ENTER your home when you arent there? Or to use common sense as to just how a worker would count how many to a home by entering an empty one? that makes absolutely no sense,,,more workings of paranoid minds " ...or to give free ingress thereto and egress therefrom to any duly accredited representative of such Department or bureau or agency thereof ... " Clear enough ... ? Probably not ... |
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I'm sure those neighbors will appreciate that 'consideration' of their rights ... Did you give ANY thought to the fact that maybe they didn't volunteer that information for THEIR OWN reasons ... ? It's the law. No, it is not the law, Winx. Census is volunteer. It is important for each of our states and counties to get the population counted so they can allot proper funding and such for each one but it is still volunteer. I am going to have to call in mine because where I live is registered as a business address and they haven't sent me anything. What about this, Dragoness? http://geography.about.com/library/misc/blusc13.htm |
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Here's the law - chapter and verse - that 'authorizes' Census workers to enter the UNOCCUPIED residence of a tenant under penalty of law for the owner of the property ... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode13/usc_sec_13_00000223----000-.html TITLE 13 > CHAPTER 7 > SUBCHAPTER II > § 223 § 223. Refusal, by owners, proprietors, etc., to assist census employees How Current is This? ... http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/HowCurrent.php/?tn=13&fragid=T13F00078&extid=usc_sec_13_00000223----000-&sourcedate=2009-10-27&proctime=Wed%20Oct%2028%2006:49:22%202009 Whoever, being the owner, proprietor, manager, superintendent, or agent of any hotel, apartment house, boarding or lodging house, tenement, or other building, refuses or willfully neglects, when requested by the Secretary or by any other officer or employee of the Department of Commerce or bureau or agency thereof, acting under the instructions of the Secretary, to furnish the names of the occupants of such premises, or to give free ingress thereto and egress therefrom to any duly accredited representative of such Department or bureau or agency thereof, so as to permit the collection of statistics with respect to any census provided for in subchapters I and II of chapter 5 of this title, or any survey authorized by subchapter IV or V of such chapter insofar as such survey relates to any of the subjects for which censuses are provided by such subchapters I and II, including, when relevant to the census or survey being taken or made, the proper and correct enumeration of all persons having their usual place of abode in such premises, shall be fined not more than $500. nowhere here does it say they can FORCE their way into your home,,,,intentional false paraphrasing,,,, it says owners cant REFUSE to allow workers access to gather the information,,, Why is it so hard to believe that the LAW says exactly what it SAYS it says ... ? ... and people wonder why the AZ law is so confusing - well, hell, it's 17 pages - this is just a paragraph ... liberals don't have long attention spans - and their 'powers of comprehension' are just non-existent ... Why is it hard to believe that it doesnt STATE anyone can ENTER your home when you arent there? Or to use common sense as to just how a worker would count how many to a home by entering an empty one? that makes absolutely no sense,,,more workings of paranoid minds " ...or to give free ingress thereto and egress therefrom to any duly accredited representative of such Department or bureau or agency thereof ... " Clear enough ... ? Probably not ... Whoever, being the owner, proprietor, manager, superintendent, or agent of any hotel, apartment house, boarding or lodging house, tenement, or other building HOTEL< APARTMENT HOME< BOARDING HOUSE,,,all places where several people reside in SEPARATE units,, not a personal HOME clear enough the census does not look up who owns a home and call them ahead of time,, census takers KNOCK on DOORS,, whomever answers the door is supposed to participate in answering questions,, IF the person answering the door is answering the door of a COMMON ABODE, such as those in the specific examples of the law,, REFUSES to allow the census taker EGRESS (entrance) into the BUILDING where people are residing in separate residences, so that the census taker can KNOCK on their doors,, then they can be fined honestly, how would someone gain entry into your home when its empty without a KEY and how would they get the key if noone is home,,as I said , the census is not in the business of identifying owners personally and demanding access,,all census takers do is KNOCK ON DOORS.... |
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I'm sure those neighbors will appreciate that 'consideration' of their rights ... Did you give ANY thought to the fact that maybe they didn't volunteer that information for THEIR OWN reasons ... ? It's the law. No, it is not the law, Winx. Census is volunteer. It is important for each of our states and counties to get the population counted so they can allot proper funding and such for each one but it is still volunteer. I am going to have to call in mine because where I live is registered as a business address and they haven't sent me anything. What about this, Dragoness? http://geography.about.com/library/misc/blusc13.htm Yea, I corrected myself on my next post, sorry. They do not enforce the laws at all though. |
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