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"Papieren, bitte. Kommen Sie mit." ... Think that's beyond the realm of possibility ... ? Well, chirrens, welcome to the Real World ...
The Census - you know, those people with clipboards and handheld GPS units to identify YOUR address who knock on your door - is ALLOWED BY LAW to FORCE whoever you're renting from to GRANT ACCESS to your apartment EVEN IF you're not home. Live with THAT, all who think that this is a benign enterprise ... "Kommen Sie mit. JETZT!" ... Welcome to the 'Brave New World' ... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://blogs.ajc.com/bob-barr-blog/2010/05/26/census-workers-can-enter-your-apartment-in-your-absence/ Census workers can enter your apartment in your absence 6:00 am May 26, 2010, by Bob Barr Thousands of census workers, including many temporary employees, are fanning out across America to gather information on the citizenry. This is a process that takes place not only every decade in order to complete the constitutionally-mandated census; but also as part of the continuing “American Community Survey” conducted by the Census Bureau on a regular basis year in and year out. What many Americans don’t realize, is that census workers — from the head of the Bureau and the Secretary of Commerce (its parent agency) down to the lowliest and newest Census employee — are empowered under federal law to actually demand access to any apartment or any other type of home or room that is rented out, in order to count persons in the abode and for “the collection of statistics.” If the landlord of such apartment or other leased premises refuses to grant the government worker access to your living quarters, whether you are present or not, the landlord can be fined $500.00. That’s right — not only can citizens be fined if they fail to answer the increasingly intrusive questions asked of them by the federal government under the guise of simply counting the number of people in the country; but a landlord must give them access to your apartment whether you’re there or not, in order to gather whatever “statistics” the law permits. In fact, some census workers apparently are going even further and demanding — and receiving — private cell phone numbers from landlords in order to call tenants and obtain information from them. Isn’t it great to live in a “free” country? |
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Wonder if they have actually twisted a few words for there own benefit?
http://2010.census.gov/2010census/about/whole.php I’ve heard that census takers can enter my home when I’m not there to collect information. We specifically instruct census takers never to ask to enter a resident’s home. We certainly would not allow them to try to enter a home if the residents are not even present. The law does require the cooperation of building managers and gated communities to allow us to enter the building or neighborhood to conduct the census and other surveys. The Constitution mandates a count of everyone, including people living in these situations. |
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Edited by
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Thu 05/27/10 04:40 PM
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They cut the lock on my place and let me catch 'em in there. There'll be job openings at the census takers office and one more for the undertaker.
And, I have no trespassing signs in english and spanish. The ones in spanish I got from a homeland security surplus sale. They don't need them any longer since Hussein took office. |
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Here's the law - chapter and verse - that 'authorizes' Census workers to enter the UNOCCUPIED residence of a tenant under penalty of law for the owner of the property ...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode13/usc_sec_13_00000223----000-.html TITLE 13 > CHAPTER 7 > SUBCHAPTER II > § 223 § 223. Refusal, by owners, proprietors, etc., to assist census employees How Current is This? ... http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/HowCurrent.php/?tn=13&fragid=T13F00078&extid=usc_sec_13_00000223----000-&sourcedate=2009-10-27&proctime=Wed%20Oct%2028%2006:49:22%202009 Whoever, being the owner, proprietor, manager, superintendent, or agent of any hotel, apartment house, boarding or lodging house, tenement, or other building, refuses or willfully neglects, when requested by the Secretary or by any other officer or employee of the Department of Commerce or bureau or agency thereof, acting under the instructions of the Secretary, to furnish the names of the occupants of such premises, or to give free ingress thereto and egress therefrom to any duly accredited representative of such Department or bureau or agency thereof, so as to permit the collection of statistics with respect to any census provided for in subchapters I and II of chapter 5 of this title, or any survey authorized by subchapter IV or V of such chapter insofar as such survey relates to any of the subjects for which censuses are provided by such subchapters I and II, including, when relevant to the census or survey being taken or made, the proper and correct enumeration of all persons having their usual place of abode in such premises, shall be fined not more than $500. |
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Edited by
Winx
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Fri 05/28/10 08:46 AM
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A Census worker came to my house a few days ago. She asked me how many people lived next door to me.
She said that the house next door to me had been visited six times and they left six messages and the people had never contacted the Census Bureau. I told her how many people lived there - two adults and two children and their race. She told me that was all that they needed to know - by law. Then I signed the paper as a proxy. |
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Edited by
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Fri 05/28/10 09:16 AM
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I'm sure those neighbors will appreciate that 'consideration' of their rights ... Did you give ANY thought to the fact that maybe they didn't volunteer that information for THEIR OWN reasons ... ?
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I'm sure those neighbors will appreciate that 'consideration' of their rights ... Did you give ANY thought to the fact that maybe they didn't volunteer that information for THEIR OWN reasons ... ? It's the law. |
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http://www.cjr.org/the_audit/ajc_stirring_up_the_anticensus.php
I specifically like the last part: "You’re entitled to your opinions. You’re not entitled to your own facts. And it’s not okay to willfully misread a law, back it up with no evidence, and scare the living daylights out of your readers." |
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I'm sure those neighbors will appreciate that 'consideration' of their rights ... Did you give ANY thought to the fact that maybe they didn't volunteer that information for THEIR OWN reasons ... ? It's the law. Remember that statement when someone volunteers information about you one day ... |
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I'm sure those neighbors will appreciate that 'consideration' of their rights ... Did you give ANY thought to the fact that maybe they didn't volunteer that information for THEIR OWN reasons ... ? It's the law. Remember that statement when someone volunteers information about you one day ... It was the same last year, and the year before that, and the year before that, and the... |
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I'm sure those neighbors will appreciate that 'consideration' of their rights ... Did you give ANY thought to the fact that maybe they didn't volunteer that information for THEIR OWN reasons ... ? It's the law. Remember that statement when someone volunteers information about you one day ... I have nothing to hide. |
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Edited by
Kings_Knight
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Fri 05/28/10 09:47 AM
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http://www.cjr.org/the_audit/ajc_stirring_up_the_anticensus.php I specifically like the last part: "You’re entitled to your opinions. You’re not entitled to your own facts. And it’s not okay to willfully misread a law, back it up with no evidence, and scare the living daylights out of your readers." And the 'source' used here is the Columbia Journalism Review - a three-word oxymoron ... why does it come as no surprise that an organ so dyslexically supportive of 'The ONE' would take a position like this ... ? ... their 'journalists' routinely do this very thing with every 'article' they publish ... |
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http://www.cjr.org/the_audit/ajc_stirring_up_the_anticensus.php I specifically like the last part: "You’re entitled to your opinions. You’re not entitled to your own facts. And it’s not okay to willfully misread a law, back it up with no evidence, and scare the living daylights out of your readers." And the 'source' used here is the Columbia Journalism Review - a three-word oxymoron ... why does it come as no surprise that an organ so dyslexically supportive of 'The ONE' would take a position like this ... ? ... Does it surprise you that this law has been around for many of years? Yet just now comes to the forefront as a complaint? I suggest looking at both sides of the debate aside from blindly looking one way...much more enriching that way, and you wouldn't constantly have to degrade my sources of information, even though they are by far more credible than your own. |
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http://www.cjr.org/the_audit/ajc_stirring_up_the_anticensus.php I specifically like the last part: "You’re entitled to your opinions. You’re not entitled to your own facts. And it’s not okay to willfully misread a law, back it up with no evidence, and scare the living daylights out of your readers." That does sound funny. I guess that it's the polite way of saying, "fearmongers". 
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Edited by
Kings_Knight
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Fri 05/28/10 10:23 AM
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http://www.cjr.org/the_audit/ajc_stirring_up_the_anticensus.php I specifically like the last part: "You’re entitled to your opinions. You’re not entitled to your own facts. And it’s not okay to willfully misread a law, back it up with no evidence, and scare the living daylights out of your readers." And the 'source' used here is the Columbia Journalism Review - a three-word oxymoron ... why does it come as no surprise that an organ so dyslexically supportive of 'The ONE' would take a position like this ... ? ... Does it surprise you that this law has been around for many of years? Yet just now comes to the forefront as a complaint? I suggest looking at both sides of the debate aside from blindly looking one way...much more enriching that way, and you wouldn't constantly have to degrade my sources of information, even though they are by far more credible than your own. "Vanity, thy name is ... " |
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Wonder if they have actually twisted a few words for there own benefit?
http://2010.census.gov/2010census/about/whole.php I’ve heard that census takers can enter my home when I’m not there to collect information. We specifically instruct census takers never to ask to enter a resident’s home. We certainly would not allow them to try to enter a home if the residents are not even present. The law does require the cooperation of building managers and gated communities to allow us to enter the building or neighborhood to conduct the census and other surveys. The Constitution mandates a count of everyone, including people living in these situations. lol,, yeah,, I Actually applied for the job and was given that same information that we arent supposed to enter homes,,lol I have family members working in census and they were told the same,,,,, |
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I'm sure those neighbors will appreciate that 'consideration' of their rights ... Did you give ANY thought to the fact that maybe they didn't volunteer that information for THEIR OWN reasons ... ? It's the law. Remember that statement when someone volunteers information about you one day ... good grief,, it just how many people are in your home,,,its only used for a general count of the population its not like we can stop people from commenting on what they can plainly and openly observe |
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"Papieren, bitte. Kommen Sie mit." ... Think that's beyond the realm of possibility ... ? Well, chirrens, welcome to the Real World ... The Census - you know, those people with clipboards and handheld GPS units to identify YOUR address who knock on your door - is ALLOWED BY LAW to FORCE whoever you're renting from to GRANT ACCESS to your apartment EVEN IF you're not home. Live with THAT, all who think that this is a benign enterprise ... "Kommen Sie mit. JETZT!" ... Welcome to the 'Brave New World' ... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://blogs.ajc.com/bob-barr-blog/2010/05/26/census-workers-can-enter-your-apartment-in-your-absence/ Census workers can enter your apartment in your absence 6:00 am May 26, 2010, by Bob Barr Thousands of census workers, including many temporary employees, are fanning out across America to gather information on the citizenry. This is a process that takes place not only every decade in order to complete the constitutionally-mandated census; but also as part of the continuing “American Community Survey” conducted by the Census Bureau on a regular basis year in and year out. What many Americans don’t realize, is that census workers — from the head of the Bureau and the Secretary of Commerce (its parent agency) down to the lowliest and newest Census employee — are empowered under federal law to actually demand access to any apartment or any other type of home or room that is rented out, in order to count persons in the abode and for “the collection of statistics.” If the landlord of such apartment or other leased premises refuses to grant the government worker access to your living quarters, whether you are present or not, the landlord can be fined $500.00. That’s right — not only can citizens be fined if they fail to answer the increasingly intrusive questions asked of them by the federal government under the guise of simply counting the number of people in the country; but a landlord must give them access to your apartment whether you’re there or not, in order to gather whatever “statistics” the law permits. In fact, some census workers apparently are going even further and demanding — and receiving — private cell phone numbers from landlords in order to call tenants and obtain information from them. Isn’t it great to live in a “free” country? What garbage! I cannot believe people actually believe this crap. 
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Here's the law - chapter and verse - that 'authorizes' Census workers to enter the UNOCCUPIED residence of a tenant under penalty of law for the owner of the property ... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode13/usc_sec_13_00000223----000-.html TITLE 13 > CHAPTER 7 > SUBCHAPTER II > § 223 § 223. Refusal, by owners, proprietors, etc., to assist census employees How Current is This? ... http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/HowCurrent.php/?tn=13&fragid=T13F00078&extid=usc_sec_13_00000223----000-&sourcedate=2009-10-27&proctime=Wed%20Oct%2028%2006:49:22%202009 Whoever, being the owner, proprietor, manager, superintendent, or agent of any hotel, apartment house, boarding or lodging house, tenement, or other building, refuses or willfully neglects, when requested by the Secretary or by any other officer or employee of the Department of Commerce or bureau or agency thereof, acting under the instructions of the Secretary, to furnish the names of the occupants of such premises, or to give free ingress thereto and egress therefrom to any duly accredited representative of such Department or bureau or agency thereof, so as to permit the collection of statistics with respect to any census provided for in subchapters I and II of chapter 5 of this title, or any survey authorized by subchapter IV or V of such chapter insofar as such survey relates to any of the subjects for which censuses are provided by such subchapters I and II, including, when relevant to the census or survey being taken or made, the proper and correct enumeration of all persons having their usual place of abode in such premises, shall be fined not more than $500. nowhere here does it say they can FORCE their way into your home,,,,intentional false paraphrasing,,,, it says owners cant REFUSE to allow workers access to gather the information,,, |
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I'm sure those neighbors will appreciate that 'consideration' of their rights ... Did you give ANY thought to the fact that maybe they didn't volunteer that information for THEIR OWN reasons ... ? It's the law. No, it is not the law, Winx. Census is volunteer. It is important for each of our states and counties to get the population counted so they can allot proper funding and such for each one but it is still volunteer. I am going to have to call in mine because where I live is registered as a business address and they haven't sent me anything. |
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