They are suing their own laws!


http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/06/sources-justice-department-to-file-lawsuit-against-arizona-immigration-law-likely-next-week.html


Obama administration sources tell ABC News that Attorney General Eric Holder is expected to file a lawsuit against the state of Arizona for its immigration law, likely next week.

The suit has been expected for some time now. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told a South American television interviewer that the president had told the Justice Department to file the suit on the basis that it's the constitutional responsibility of the federal government -- not states -- to set immigration policy.

"President Obama has spoken out against the law because he thinks that the federal government should be determining immigration policy," Clinton told the interviewer on station NTN 24. "And the Justice Department, under his direction, will be bringing a lawsuit against the act.”

Holder is expected to also claim in his suit that the Arizona law will be enforced in a way that could cause discrimination based on race and nationality.

That is not the feds blocking immigration. It is feds fighting a bill that encourages racism.

Nice try though.

Obama is just digging a hole deeper and deeper.Every poll they have taken on this issue the people agree with Arizona's law.This lawsuit is with out a doubt one of the dumbest things our Government has ever done.I don't know what kind of country we are living in when the Feds are telling states that they can not protect their own borders.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/watercooler/2010/apr/26/ariz-immigration-law-mirrors-federal-version-state/

MSNBC host Joe Scarborough has an odd obsession for criticizing conservatives for calling Mr. Obama a "Nazi" all the time, yet he has no problem comparing the newly signed Arizona immigration law to "Nazi guards asking to see your papers." Even President Obama did not go that far, but he did call the new law "misguided."

On both accounts Mr. Scarborough is wrong. One day he will hopefully realize that LaRouche Democrats who attend various protests with Nazi images of Mr. Obama are not conservatives and Arizona's new immigration enforcement law is designed to mirror federal immigration laws already in place.

Federal law mandates that aliens register and carry their documentation. Arizona's new law functions the same way. Why hasn't the MSNBC host called the federal law "Nazi" in nature?

"Let's clarify what isn't in the bill. The law does not give police officers any additional powers to stop or pull anybody over. You're still going to have to abide by lawful contact," said Bob Dane spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) , a Washington, D.C., based immigration nonprofit.

Mr. Dane made it clear that an officer of the law cannot simply walk up to an individual who is not committing a crime or traffic violation and ask the person for his or her legal status.

"You need a legitimate reason ... speeding, reckless driving. The law is predicated on the protections of the fourth amendment against unreasonable searches and seizures."

If an individual committing a violation or crime is found out to have an illegal status, the law enforcement officer will contact immigration authorities.


"They’re going to contact ICE, immigration law enforcement support center in an attempt to verify status. ICE will need to properly staff and resource themselves in order to support the new Arizona law, although I wouldn’t expect a surge of illegal aliens being identified and arrested," Mr. Dane said, pointing to Oklahoma's tough immigration laws that he says led to more "attrition" through enforcement than anything else.

While Democrats on Capitol Hill look to convince voters that their party will bring prosperity back to the nation, members of their party are calling for economic boycotts of Arizona. In fact, even an Arizona Congressman is joining the charge.

Raúl Grijalva, Arizona Democrat, called for an economic boycott against what he described as "unjust and racist" legislation that will damage Arizona's prestige and credibility.

NBC reports that San Francisco City Attorney Dennis Herrera (a Democrat) "called for a sweeping boycott of the state of Arizona and Arizona-based businesses."

FAIR's Dane explained that the bill his organization helped draw up for Arizona explicitly exempts race, color, or national origin as a reason for a law enforcement officer to ask about immigration status:

"Most police contact with the public happens [via motor-vehicle contact], so it's not going to change the mechanical lawful process that a police officer goes through. He's going to write you up if you are doing something wrong, like driving down the highway doing 90 miles on hour. He's going to pull up and ask for license, registration and documentation identity.

Only after all of that is the cop going to be required (he is now required under the law) to ask about immigration status, but then and only if the person has reasonable suspicion the person might be an illegal alien, and then, even then he can't use as part of his reasonable suspicion, he can't consider race, color, or national origin, as part of his suspicion."

In the past, Arizona police officers were allowed to ask the immigration status of an individual who, for example, they may have been pulled over for speeding. Under the new law, they will be required to ask about immigration status. Does this mean everyone gets asked about his or her immigration status, when pulled over for doing 90 in a 65-mile-per-hour speed zone?

"No. If you have proper identification, you're going to be on your way. If you produce a driver's license, a valid Arizona ID card -- if you are a Native American, there's a lot of Native Americans on reservations in Arizona, police officers very often get the tribal ID cards or any other state or federal ID that requires proof of legal presence," Mr. Dane said.

Do you still believe Arizona is Nazi Germany, Mr. Scarborough?

The Arizona law is just a mirror image of the Federal Law! It gives the state and local police the EXACT same power as the federal agents. Now no offense to any Feds out there but anybody I mean ANYBODY in any sort of law enforcement capacity knows that local level law enforcement is a lot better at ENFORCING laws than a federal agency. Ask your average G-man how many arrests he makes in a year .. The Feds investigate they dont enforce.

I for one cant wait until this law gets passed in New Mexico, Texas, maybe California.

You've got to let the states protect themselves!!

it actually just sounds like the same old argument feds and locals have over jurisdiction

its not about the laws, just about who has the right/responsibility to set them,,,

All of those who swore, on the bible, to protect us from invasion are criminals for not doing it.

so is it racism when a police officers pull me over and ask for insurance paper and drivers liscence.

now i am not claiming this to be true but i read somewhere that obama told a high ranking offical from egypt that he was still muslim. did anyone else hear about this. if it is true it explains alot of his actions over the last year

no, but the bill goes a bit deeper than that, it might be a bit more suspect if they asked your PASSENGERS for such identification(being that they are not driving the car)

I doubt people would oppose continuing to ask for insurance paper and drivers license from drivers pulled over for an actual DRIVING violation.

a police officer can ask for identification from any persons in the vehicle

they can ask but the passenger is not OBLIGATED to comply unless there is reasonable suspicion of a crime

The United States Court of Appeals for the 8th Circuit, citing Hiibel concluded that arresting a passenger for refusing to identify himself/herself where the officer has no independent reasonable suspicion to believe that the passenger is involved in criminal activity does violate the Constitution



I also wanted to add how important it is to know your rights. My brother had this experience lately with an officer wanting him to 'sit in the back of the patrol car' when he was taking a morning stroll and reading a book,,,

my brother kindly asked what law he was breaking and if he was under arrest,,,,the officer said no, so my brother kindly refused to get in the car and just stood on the sidewalk instead,,,


by law, if an officer orders you to sit on a curb or get in his car he is'DETAINING' you,, and to do so he must have information or evidence that you are connected with some crime,,,

Im not suggesting that people be non compliant with officers, I respect their job, but just be cautious because not all of them know where their authority begins and ends,,,,,and if you have done nothing wrong , you dont have to be treated like a criminal...

people use racism as a scape goat for not taking responsibility for theie own actions

racism is real, racist people are real and racist use of authority also is real,,,,


but it is a task to seperate genuine actions from racist ones

Considering that racists want everyone to believe that racism doesn't exist, it makes it pretty hard to believe them.

The reason the bill promotes racism is that it states that an illegal alien can be identified on sight. "suspicion of being illegal"

How do you identify an illegal alien on sight?

Can it be done without being biased or prejudice to one type of people?

That is racism or prejudice or discrimination, whatever you want to call it, it is illegal and wrong.

it does exist and will always exist this isa one of the reasons for the conflicts in the mid east. but it is not as prominate asa some would have you believe. most of it comes form individuals and not groups

it is the boy crying wolf syndrome say enough and it will be taken lightly using as acrutch does nothing for the country or the person.

factualy most illegals are of mexican decent. so does it not seem logical that is who should be asked. have u ever been to mexico. there illegal immigrants are treated ten times harsher then that.

It is racist to target one group of people, making arizona law promoting racism.

I know in Mexico you can get medical care no matter where you are from for free.

In Az., as with all other states that have enacted tough stances on Illegals, any Illegal from any country will face deportation.

The laws don't specify just Mexicans.


It's only the Illegal Mexicans and those who support them who are whining about it.

The cries of 'RAYciss!' betray the ignorance of the ones who are always there givin' it a big shoutout.

They fail to understand that if EVERYTHING is 'RAYciss!', nothing is 'RAYciss!' ...

Cogito cogito, ergo cogito sum ... or: "Sic Transit Gloria Mundi" ...