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Topic: Feds suing to block immigration enforcement
Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 18772	Thu 06/24/10 07:38 PM Edited by Lpdon on Thu 06/24/10 07:46 PM
Obviously some people can't see racist intention when it is presented in a law if they read it. Actually, the case is that you see "racist intention" when it doesn't exist. Oh but it does. Obviously some people cannot see the obvious. It's only obvious for someone who is looking for it. The only thing you ever spout off about is racist this racist that. Maybe it is you who has the real problem with racism.

Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 18772	Thu 06/24/10 07:40 PM
racism is real, racist people are real and racist use of authority also is real,,,, but it is a task to seperate genuine actions from racist ones it does exist and will always exist this isa one of the reasons for the conflicts in the mid east. but it is not as prominate asa some would have you believe. most of it comes form individuals and not groups unfortunately , ALOT of those individuals have positions of power and authority Yup, the most Senior Democrat in Washington, Senator Byrd the former Klan leader himself.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Thu 06/24/10 07:41 PM
Obviously some people can't see racist intention when it is presented in a law if they read it. Actually, the case is that you see "racist intention" when it doesn't exist. Oh but it does. Obviously some people cannot see the obvious. It's only obvious for someone who is looking for it. The only thing you ever sout off about is racist this racist that. Maybe it is you who has the real problem with racism. I am a problem for the racists. They hate to see me coming and really really hate to see me stay... They usually accuse me of being one sided and unfair. But I am doing the world a big favor because the greatest enemy of racism is to have it shown for what it is in the light of day, every day.

InvictusV Joined Sun 11/23/08 Posts: 5282	Thu 06/24/10 07:42 PM
I think it's great policy for the government to sue on behalf of people that are breaking their own laws.. Now maybe they will sue fisherman from Louisiana for BP taking risks that the government just happened to overlook and incentivised..

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Thu 06/24/10 07:45 PM
Government should always sue on human rights issues regardless to which human it is.

InvictusV Joined Sun 11/23/08 Posts: 5282	Thu 06/24/10 07:46 PM
Government should always sue on human rights issues regardless to which human it is. then they should be suing themselves because it's their law that is being broken.

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Thu 06/24/10 07:49 PM
then they should be suing themselves because it's their law that is being broken. You right. They all swore to protect this country and its interests. They are protecting the interests of Big Business and Mexico.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Thu 06/24/10 07:52 PM
Government should always sue on human rights issues regardless to which human it is. then they should be suing themselves because it's their law that is being broken. In a way they are suing themselves, right? Human rights should always be fought for.

InvictusV Joined Sun 11/23/08 Posts: 5282	Thu 06/24/10 07:53 PM
then they should be suing themselves because it's their law that is being broken. You right. They all swore to protect this country and its interests. They are protecting the interests of Big Business and Mexico. I really don't think they give a rats *** about mexico or the people coming here. They want power for themselves and cheap labor for the campaign donors. Its actually pretty sick and those people that support this ought to be ashamed of themselves..

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Thu 06/24/10 08:35 PM
Considering that non racist immigration laws are there to protect the illegal immigrant from being misused in this country. Supporting non racist or non civil right violating immigration laws is the way to go. A person cannot rightfully support laws that violate civil rights for humans though. So I support our federal immigration laws and wish they would have enforced them for all these years.

JustAGuy2112 Joined Sun 12/16/07 Posts: 18033	Thu 06/24/10 09:01 PM
Considering that racists want everyone to believe that racism doesn't exist, it makes it pretty hard to believe them. The reason the bill promotes racism is that it states that an illegal alien can be identified on sight. "suspicion of being illegal" How do you identify an illegal alien on sight? Can it be done without being biased or prejudice to one type of people? That is racism or prejudice or discrimination, whatever you want to call it, it is illegal and wrong. factualy most illegals are of mexican decent. so does it not seem logical that is who should be asked. have u ever been to mexico. there illegal immigrants are treated ten times harsher then that. In Az., as with all other states that have enacted tough stances on Illegals, any Illegal from any country will face deportation. The laws don't specify just Mexicans. It's only the Illegal Mexicans and those who support them who are whining about it. So if the law states you can stop a person based on the "suspicion of them being illegal" on sight. How do you do that since some illegals are white and some are black? How can you suspect an illegal is an illegal on sight? As always, your utter ignorance of the actual LAW is astounding. The law clearly states that there HAS to be some other reason or unlawful act BEFORE the person can be asked about immigration status. The fact that you continually ignore that particular part of the law simply because it doesn't fit your " it's all racist!!! You are all racist!!! " argument doesn't change the FACT that the law is FAR more harshly written to KEEP THE POLICE from profiling.

sweetestgirl11 Joined Fri 09/12/08 Posts: 30087	Thu 06/24/10 09:21 PM
"Obama is just digging a hole deeper and deeper.Every poll they have taken on this issue the people agree with Arizona's law.This lawsuit is with out a doubt one of the dumbest things our Government has ever done.I don't know what kind of country we are living in when the Feds are telling states that they can not protect their own borders. " ^^ This portion of Thomas' issue rings true in that they gov't is begging for help while this policy is designed to do just that - so the gov't thwarts the help it is handed - no more insane than anything else they have done

boredinaz06 Joined Sun 10/15/06 Posts: 22764	Thu 06/24/10 09:26 PM
The feds are going to lose because this law parallels federal law, also for all of you who do not know there was a case 35 years ago in which the U.S. Supreme Court said that states CAN create immigration laws as long as they do not overpower federal law which this does not. So stick that in y'alls crack pipe.

Kings_Knight Joined Sat 01/31/09 Posts: 3718	Thu 06/24/10 09:33 PM
Considering that non racist immigration laws are there to protect the illegal immigrant from being misused in this country. Supporting non racist or non civil right violating immigration laws is the way to go. A person cannot rightfully support laws that violate civil rights for humans though. So I support our federal immigration laws and wish they would have enforced them for all these years. I guess it all boils down to this: Whatever you disagree with is RAYciss! ... there's no logic, comprehension, fact, proof, or anything of substance to back up ANYthing you say. -

Kings_Knight Joined Sat 01/31/09 Posts: 3718	Thu 06/24/10 09:55 PM
My point is made. Thank you.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 06/25/10 01:52 AM
racism is real, racist people are real and racist use of authority also is real,,,, but it is a task to seperate genuine actions from racist ones it does exist and will always exist this isa one of the reasons for the conflicts in the mid east. but it is not as prominate asa some would have you believe. most of it comes form individuals and not groups unfortunately , ALOT of those individuals have positions of power and authority Yup, the most Senior Democrat in Washington, Senator Byrd the former Klan leader himself. they are on all sides of the political spectrum...

sweetestgirl11 Joined Fri 09/12/08 Posts: 30087	Fri 06/25/10 05:17 PM
Considering that racists want everyone to believe that racism doesn't exist, it makes it pretty hard to believe them. The reason the bill promotes racism is that it states that an illegal alien can be identified on sight. "suspicion of being illegal" How do you identify an illegal alien on sight? Can it be done without being biased or prejudice to one type of people? That is racism or prejudice or discrimination, whatever you want to call it, it is illegal and wrong. factualy most illegals are of mexican decent. so does it not seem logical that is who should be asked. have u ever been to mexico. there illegal immigrants are treated ten times harsher then that. It is racist to target one group of people, making arizona law promoting racism. I know in Mexico you can get medical care no matter where you are from for free. There are plenty of people here from Mexico, Panama, and Puerto Rico legally, but if statistics tell that a large percentage of illegals are also from these country, say 70% (I really have NO idea). But that means in a group of 10 illegal immigrants, 7 are of hispanic/mexican heritage. It's not racism it's probability. If 7 out of 10 Chevelle owners were child molesters - Hell NO would we let Chevelle owners work in day care without being checked - it's no different. It's the numbers, not the race or heritage that is the issue.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Fri 06/25/10 05:23 PM
Obviously some people can't see racist intention when it is presented in a law if they read it. B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY 21 OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS 22 STATE WHERE "REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN" WHO IS 23 UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE, 24 WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE 25 PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT 26 PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c). How do you reasonably suspect a person of being an illegal alien without being racist?

sweetestgirl11 Joined Fri 09/12/08 Posts: 30087	Fri 06/25/10 05:39 PM
Obviously some people can't see racist intention when it is presented in a law if they read it. B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY 21 OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS 22 STATE WHERE "REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN" WHO IS 23 UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE, 24 WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE 25 PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT 26 PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c). How do you reasonably suspect a person of being an illegal alien without being racist? it doesn't sound even remotely racist. Were I a trained Immigration Officer, I could prolly tell u how to tell who to suspect, but I wouldn't cuz that would be compromising confidential agency info... I'd suspect people in certain occupations regardless of race, who didn't speak the language and have no ssn, yet have been here for a lot of months or years. Ya, I'd also be wrong a lot of the time too prolly...whatever.

heavenlyboy34 Joined Fri 07/04/08 Posts: 17348	Fri 06/25/10 05:56 PM
Government should always sue on human rights issues regardless to which human it is. then they should be suing themselves because it's their law that is being broken. In a way they are suing themselves, right? Human rights should always be fought for. No human has the right to violate another human's property. True reform would privatize all land so landowners can keep illegal aliens out without help from the government.