Topic: The most universal human characteristic
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Thu 08/12/10 04:52 AM
Hunger....drive for sex.

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Thu 08/12/10 06:03 AM

I think fear is more instinctive than laziness, as it has a survival function, but I think the most ubiquitous human characteristic is the need to change things that are fine just the way they are.


I love you!flowerforyou

that is a simply awesome abservation

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Thu 08/12/10 06:11 AM
flowerforyou

We live in a fear based culture!

The paranoid need for Deterrent Force and WMDs for one. It is bad enough to have a few but to have thousands?

Oddly if we don't have them we will have them used on us.

The media feeds us fear and doom all the time. The government release the right information to make people act the way they want through fear and terror. The TSA is a prime example of the fear complex to make unnecessary jobs! Face it the TSA is as worthless as teats on a boar.

But humans have a phobic need for everything to be homo-centric otherwise they become xenophobic. Fear is an instinctual part of us.

So is just being plain stupid and idiotic.


gee andy, I feel so good now about being human...good post though!


I would have to say the most universal human characteristic is the capacity to love and forgive. It overcomes fear, laziness, and government BS. It brings us freesom - which I think is possibly an even more universal human trait - quest for freedom - it's a constant human striving along with the quest for love. The others, fear, laziness are periodic and usually temporary:heart: flowerforyou

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Thu 08/12/10 06:14 AM

We draw to us what we are most afraid of until we conquer it by learning not to fear.
The opposite to Fear is Faith. What ever your Faith, it is stronger and conquers all fear, if you focus on it.
Yet don't take my word for it, try it out for yourself


awesome!

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Thu 08/12/10 06:31 AM
Edited by Kings_Knight on Thu 08/12/10 06:31 AM
Je ne sais quoi ...

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Thu 08/12/10 10:42 AM
por quoi?

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Thu 08/12/10 11:05 AM
Schadenfreude ...

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Thu 08/12/10 11:11 AM
I think we have many...In fact I think we have more in common than we do differences. All Humans are moved by music, love, knowledge, laughter, creativity, spiritual questing, Joy... flowerforyou

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Thu 08/12/10 03:56 PM
Fear is a strong and loud characteristic, but short lived.
Laziness is continual and hard to change.


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Thu 08/12/10 04:07 PM
Hot, sweaty monkey love sexin' ...

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Fri 08/13/10 06:59 AM

Schadenfreude ...
nicht sinnvoll

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Fri 08/13/10 02:41 PM
Laziness is trained. Fear is something experienced. I think the one thing we all have in common is love. From the day we are we born, we need love and affection to survive. Therefore, the first thing we are shown is the first thing we show, even if its only for a little while. I'm sure not everyone is not on here for fear or loathing, but to find love, affection. The only real thing we can get from people, ya dig?

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Fri 08/13/10 02:45 PM


I think fear is more instinctive than laziness, as it has a survival function, but I think the most ubiquitous human characteristic is the need to change things that are fine just the way they are.


I love you!flowerforyou

that is a simply awesome abservation


Thank you! I spend a lot of time thinking about this stuff.


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Fri 08/13/10 03:15 PM



I think fear is more instinctive than laziness, as it has a survival function, but I think the most ubiquitous human characteristic is the need to change things that are fine just the way they are.


I love you!flowerforyou

that is a simply awesome abservation


Thank you! I spend a lot of time thinking about this stuff.




I do too Lex. And your observation has coincidentally occurred at a time when I am making some pretty significant changes. I have been evaluating which ones are necessary, why, and whether certain things are better left as they are & what to change & how. Your observation is salient to me because it speaks to my current reality:thumbsup:

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Fri 08/13/10 03:34 PM




I think fear is more instinctive than laziness, as it has a survival function, but I think the most ubiquitous human characteristic is the need to change things that are fine just the way they are.


I love you!flowerforyou

that is a simply awesome abservation


Thank you! I spend a lot of time thinking about this stuff.




I do too Lex. And your observation has coincidentally occurred at a time when I am making some pretty significant changes. I have been evaluating which ones are necessary, why, and whether certain things are better left as they are & what to change & how. Your observation is salient to me because it speaks to my current reality:thumbsup:


Glad I could be of assistance!

The truth is, I was thinking more along the lines of the people I've known in the past who have tried to change me into a completely different person -- but I see that this has other applications as well!

I'm not saying all change is bad -- without it, we'd be pretty much stuck in a rut. Just that there are a lot of people who seem to see change as a desirable end in and of itself, regardless of the outcome or consequences.

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Fri 08/13/10 03:40 PM

I didn't realize we could pick our own. We were given two choices. Only I stayed in the box. Our unique human characteristic is our ability to make decisions on our own regardless of societal constructs.


Fear of coloring outside the lines. We can make up our rules as we go along.laugh

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Fri 08/13/10 03:46 PM





I think fear is more instinctive than laziness, as it has a survival function, but I think the most ubiquitous human characteristic is the need to change things that are fine just the way they are.


I love you!flowerforyou

that is a simply awesome abservation


Thank you! I spend a lot of time thinking about this stuff.




I do too Lex. And your observation has coincidentally occurred at a time when I am making some pretty significant changes. I have been evaluating which ones are necessary, why, and whether certain things are better left as they are & what to change & how. Your observation is salient to me because it speaks to my current reality:thumbsup:


Glad I could be of assistance!

The truth is, I was thinking more along the lines of the people I've known in the past who have tried to change me into a completely different person -- but I see that this has other applications as well!

I'm not saying all change is bad -- without it, we'd be pretty much stuck in a rut. Just that there are a lot of people who seem to see change as a desirable end in and of itself, regardless of the outcome or consequences.



ah, so u r a bit more conservative than I might have guessed.

and a "rut" is exactly what I have been in - very observant, again

Yes, I read the dialogue regarding your dealings with "traditional" female "expectations." meh, whatever? The only person who we can control or change is oneself. Those who attempt to affect any other type of change have an uphill battle.

I think it's OK to advise small changes that do not effect the core of one's persona (for example I recently advised my son, a new college grad, to "professinalize " his wardrobe, but I dont EVER want him to change at all not a bit - he is awesome just as is). It would be foolhardy, IMO, to stay with a partner who asks u to be someone u r not.

Should we ask potential partners " do u like me as is?"laugh in the early stages of dating?laugh

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Fri 08/13/10 03:57 PM






I think fear is more instinctive than laziness, as it has a survival function, but I think the most ubiquitous human characteristic is the need to change things that are fine just the way they are.


I love you!flowerforyou

that is a simply awesome abservation


Thank you! I spend a lot of time thinking about this stuff.




I do too Lex. And your observation has coincidentally occurred at a time when I am making some pretty significant changes. I have been evaluating which ones are necessary, why, and whether certain things are better left as they are & what to change & how. Your observation is salient to me because it speaks to my current reality:thumbsup:


Glad I could be of assistance!

The truth is, I was thinking more along the lines of the people I've known in the past who have tried to change me into a completely different person -- but I see that this has other applications as well!

I'm not saying all change is bad -- without it, we'd be pretty much stuck in a rut. Just that there are a lot of people who seem to see change as a desirable end in and of itself, regardless of the outcome or consequences.



ah, so u r a bit more conservative than I might have guessed.

and a "rut" is exactly what I have been in - very observant, again

Yes, I read the dialogue regarding your dealings with "traditional" female "expectations." meh, whatever? The only person who we can control or change is oneself. Those who attempt to affect any other type of change have an uphill battle.

I think it's OK to advise small changes that do not effect the core of one's persona (for example I recently advised my son, a new college grad, to "professinalize " his wardrobe, but I dont EVER want him to change at all not a bit - he is awesome just as is). It would be foolhardy, IMO, to stay with a partner who asks u to be someone u r not.

Should we ask potential partners " do u like me as is?"laugh in the early stages of dating?laugh


I don't think it would help. They always end up telling me "I love everything about you!" -- and three months later, they need to CHANGE everything about me. Whatever the agenda is, my experience has been that they are NOT going to be honest about it at the beginning. They'll say whatever they think you want to hear in order to get you to enter into the relationship in the first place.

What's the point? I'm guessing the underlying mentality is something along the lines of "Once he gets to know me, he'll realize I'm worth changing for." But that has never happened, and it's not going to happen. There are certain fundamentals that are the way they are for very good reasons.

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Fri 08/13/10 04:04 PM
'Change' for the sake of 'change' is (a) neurotic or, (b) displacement activity ... to be purposeful, 'change' has to be defined before being undertaken - otherwise, it's just one more time-wasting activity ... like 'spring cleaning' ... or rearranging furniture that's already in perfectly good positions ...

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Fri 08/13/10 04:11 PM







I think fear is more instinctive than laziness, as it has a survival function, but I think the most ubiquitous human characteristic is the need to change things that are fine just the way they are.


I love you!flowerforyou

that is a simply awesome abservation


Thank you! I spend a lot of time thinking about this stuff.




I do too Lex. And your observation has coincidentally occurred at a time when I am making some pretty significant changes. I have been evaluating which ones are necessary, why, and whether certain things are better left as they are & what to change & how. Your observation is salient to me because it speaks to my current reality:thumbsup:


Glad I could be of assistance!

The truth is, I was thinking more along the lines of the people I've known in the past who have tried to change me into a completely different person -- but I see that this has other applications as well!

I'm not saying all change is bad -- without it, we'd be pretty much stuck in a rut. Just that there are a lot of people who seem to see change as a desirable end in and of itself, regardless of the outcome or consequences.



ah, so u r a bit more conservative than I might have guessed.

and a "rut" is exactly what I have been in - very observant, again

Yes, I read the dialogue regarding your dealings with "traditional" female "expectations." meh, whatever? The only person who we can control or change is oneself. Those who attempt to affect any other type of change have an uphill battle.

I think it's OK to advise small changes that do not effect the core of one's persona (for example I recently advised my son, a new college grad, to "professinalize " his wardrobe, but I dont EVER want him to change at all not a bit - he is awesome just as is). It would be foolhardy, IMO, to stay with a partner who asks u to be someone u r not.

Should we ask potential partners " do u like me as is?"laugh in the early stages of dating?laugh


I don't think it would help. They always end up telling me "I love everything about you!" -- and three months later, they need to CHANGE everything about me. Whatever the agenda is, my experience has been that they are NOT going to be honest about it at the beginning. They'll say whatever they think you want to hear in order to get you to enter into the relationship in the first place.

What's the point? I'm guessing the underlying mentality is something along the lines of "Once he gets to know me, he'll realize I'm worth changing for." But that has never happened, and it's not going to happen. There are certain fundamentals that are the way they are for very good reasons.



well, I have a question and an observation. Question: What is it that you have had women ask u to change? Is there a recurring theme? (as in maybe you either need to change something OR, more likely, need to seek a different "type" of woman)

My observation is that, yes, often people do see "the diamond in the rough" so to speak, and think that "if I love him/her enough he/she will change for me." I have been on both sides of that equation and can tell you with all certainty, it aina gonna happen, folks. I am a diamond in the rough, Lex (FYI), but being from the "rough" I'm too streetsmart to change anything that don't need it - so, ya, I hear ya