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Lies and Deception - a repeating theme on Mingle ...
And? With good cause, as the nature of the internet is rife w/ scams, cons, liars and predators due to invisibility and any lack of proven accountability ... I don't understand the concept juggled here recently that perhaps white lies are to be sanctioned, that it is a matter of intentions!? Where is the line drawn between white, shades of grey and etc ... And who is the all purveying judge of intention - Where does the injurious line of demarkation begin? Every war has been thrown via the propaganda of 'good intention' - since time began ... Slippery slope, this "to be or not to be honest" terrain ... Seems like a snowball headin' downhill ... Sadly, usually the truth seekers respond and we never get the liars explaining the motivation! Just once, I'd love the panels of liars to chime in ...  ... I know, I know, it ain't gonna happen; if they do show, they only lie as per usual ... BAH! Beats me ... |
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Kate, I abhor lying and try my best to always be honest. That said I have lied in the past. In my younger years it was to avoid getting into trouble. In my later years it was to spare someone else's feelings from my truth. And I have never told a lie with the intention of hurting another human being. Once I even told a lie because I was too afraid to tell the truth.
You wanted honesty and I have given you mine. 
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Lies and Deception - a repeating theme on Mingle ... And? With good cause, as the nature of the internet is rife w/ scams, cons, liars and predators due to invisibility and any lack of proven accountability ... I don't understand the concept juggled here recently that perhaps white lies are to be sanctioned, that it is a matter of intentions!? Where is the line drawn between white, shades of grey and etc ... And who is the all purveying judge of intention - Where does the injurious line of demarkation begin? Every war has been thrown via the propaganda of 'good intention' - since time began ... Slippery slope, this "to be or not to be honest" terrain ... Seems like a snowball headin' downhill ... Sadly, usually the truth seekers respond and we never get the liars explaining the motivation! Just once, I'd love the panels of liars to chime in ... ... I know, I know, it ain't gonna happen; if they do show, they only lie as per usual ... BAH! Beats me ... ok,, so if I respond, will that make me a liar?...lol its kind of like asking when was the last time you hit your wife noone wants to admit they are lying and many liars have convinced themself of the lies they tell,,,to its a hard request to have met I think truth is important, I dont believe in 'white' lies or any other sort the difficulty comes in when people apply the term lie to opinion vs fact,,,,, for instance, if I say tom hanks is a great performer and others accuse me of lying its because many see a differing OPINION as a lie for me though, if I said Tom Hanks has NEVER been in a movie,,well thats easily disproven and therefore a case of lying or ignorance(not knowing he was in a movie) purposeful misstating of facts is not acceptabe, purposeful misstatement of opinion is kind of dumb, and lying by omission is up to interpretation(this is where I consider it deception, but not lying, if its intentional) |
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I never lie.
Okay,,,I'm lying. |
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lol
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did clinton lie?
i did not have sex with that woman daddy bush no new taxes baby bush WMD.... did they lie? |
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Kate, I abhor lying and try my best to always be honest. That said I have lied in the past. In my younger years it was to avoid getting into trouble. In my later years it was to spare someone else's feelings from my truth. And I have never told a lie with the intention of hurting another human being. Once I even told a lie because I was too afraid to tell the truth. You wanted honesty and I have given you mine. TY, Chrissy ... We have all lied, it defines the human condition ... I think it what you said, it is the endeavour to always be honest, knowing that you WILL fail and do better for having made the mistake ... The sanctimonious responses that say otherwise, make me certain a liar is typing ... I think it is somehow the act of speaking w/ GOOD in our hearts, w/ honourable intentions for ALL parties involved and existing - not just the select ... I guess said differently, it is pure intentions to make the world better for ALL that is the measure ...  |
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did clinton lie? i did not have sex with that woman daddy bush no new taxes baby bush WMD.... did they lie? hm, thats interesting, Im not sure if one can LIE about a prediction(an event that hasnt yet happened...) and I think the clinton quote depends entirely on ones definition of sex for me, at least, sex is the action which was created for procreation(male plug in female socket), with the exception of homosexual male sex which is a male plug in a male exit,,,, everything else is foreplay and fondling,,but thats MY view of sex and not necessarily everyones, I dont know how clinton views sex so I cant say if he was lying,,, |
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Okay, but what about the lies one tells to avoid hurting someone's feelings or to make them feel better?
I am generally very honest even to the point of being a little brutal sometimes. But, when my mom is very sick and looking like death warmed over I tell her that she looks good because it seems to make her happy. So, is that wrong? |
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ok,, so if I respond, will that make me a liar?...lol its kind of like asking when was the last time you hit your wife noone wants to admit they are lying and many liars have convinced themself of the lies they tell,,,to its a hard request to have met I think truth is important, I dont believe in 'white' lies or any other sort the difficulty comes in when people apply the term lie to opinion vs fact,,,,, for instance, if I say tom hanks is a great performer and others accuse me of lying its because many see a differing OPINION as a lie for me though, if I said Tom Hanks has NEVER been in a movie,,well thats easily disproven and therefore a case of lying or ignorance(not knowing he was in a movie) purposeful misstating of facts is not acceptabe, purposeful misstatement of opinion is kind of dumb, and lying by omission is up to interpretation(this is where I consider it deception, but not lying, if its intentional) Well, opinions/tastes are always subjective ... So, for me not relevant to deception, even when trying to jump on a band wagon of popularity ... That is more a question of following blindly ... Scheeple ... Purpose! That is a beautiful word - that is so uber abused and then justified ... That circles close to my dilemna in the discussion ... (Esp. on the www internet *shudder*) So tricky on this Earth evolving towards some equitable GOOD purpose for ALL ... I've no intention to stop believing in the DREAM ... GOOD PURPOSE w/ EQUITY FOR ALL ... Seems such an afterthought for many ... Most??? |
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I never lie. Okay,,,I'm lying. Quite, never say never ...  ... Or risk a lie, uh!?
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did clinton lie? i did not have sex with that woman daddy bush no new taxes baby bush WMD.... did they lie? Yes ... Clearly ... Verified Your point? |
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Okay, but what about the lies one tells to avoid hurting someone's feelings or to make them feel better? I am generally very honest even to the point of being a little brutal sometimes. But, when my mom is very sick and looking like death warmed over I tell her that she looks good because it seems to make her happy. So, is that wrong? Well, I know we cannot judge one another; nor, should we care to ... - I can't even find it close to 'wrong' .in the very least ... Esp. if your purpose was to help her feel, so get better ... Your 'method' ... That example is perhaps more a question of personal 'style' ... My style, ONLY due to my career prolly and wantin' to garner concentrated attention/concern, would be to say "Well, ya don't look good, that's for sure ... Let's get busy changin' that - FAST" ... and I'd go straight to work .. I know that was just your example and the thinking behind it is getting closer to what I mean ... That is, the lil lies that we deem for the good ... Where do we as a people draw the line between them ... MANY lil white lies do grow out of proportion and harm ... Changing the very fabric of the 'thing' first meant to be protected ... |
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I am for "white lies" I don't care what color another paints them, I think that NO ONE wants to hear the REAL truth all of the time... If someone isn't attractive do they want to know it? I doubt it.. If a friend just LOVES a dress and you don't think it looks good on her or it's just an ugly dress to you, is it kind to tell her? I think some use "honesty" as an excuse to be mean at times.. sometimes the complete truth just isn't necessary.. If it's not going to help and only going to hurt another, WHY must one be brutally honest? I think class and tack should be interjected in the truth you tell and at times having more class and tact suits me much better than being considered completely honest b/c I chose to save feelings and tell a "white lie"..
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I am for "white lies" I don't care what color another paints them, I think that NO ONE wants to hear the REAL truth all of the time... If someone isn't attractive do they want to know it? I doubt it.. If a friend just LOVES a dress and you don't think it looks good on her or it's just an ugly dress to you, is it kind to tell her? I think some use "honesty" as an excuse to be mean at times.. sometimes the complete truth just isn't necessary.. If it's not going to help and only going to hurt another, WHY must one be brutally honest? I think class and tack should be interjected in the truth you tell and at times having more class and tact suits me much better than being considered completely honest b/c I chose to save feelings and tell a "white lie".. Eloquently said Joy and I agree wholeheartedly. BTW, that dress is fugly.
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I am for "white lies" I don't care what color another paints them, I think that NO ONE wants to hear the REAL truth all of the time... If someone isn't attractive do they want to know it? I doubt it.. If a friend just LOVES a dress and you don't think it looks good on her or it's just an ugly dress to you, is it kind to tell her? I think some use "honesty" as an excuse to be mean at times.. sometimes the complete truth just isn't necessary.. If it's not going to help and only going to hurt another, WHY must one be brutally honest? I think class and tack should be interjected in the truth you tell and at times having more class and tact suits me much better than being considered completely honest b/c I chose to save feelings and tell a "white lie".. Eloquently said Joy and I agree wholeheartedly. BTW, that dress is fugly.  And I'm sure my butt looks big Thank you Chrissy... |
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I am for "white lies" I don't care what color another paints them, I think that NO ONE wants to hear the REAL truth all of the time... If someone isn't attractive do they want to know it? I doubt it.. If a friend just LOVES a dress and you don't think it looks good on her or it's just an ugly dress to you, is it kind to tell her? I think some use "honesty" as an excuse to be mean at times.. sometimes the complete truth just isn't necessary.. If it's not going to help and only going to hurt another, WHY must one be brutally honest? I think class and tack should be interjected in the truth you tell and at times having more class and tact suits me much better than being considered completely honest b/c I chose to save feelings and tell a "white lie".. Eloquently said Joy and I agree wholeheartedly. BTW, that dress is fugly. And I'm sure my butt looks big Thank you Chrissy... Joy, you are one of the most beautiful women on line. And lots of guys love big butts. |
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Eloquently said Joy and I agree wholeheartedly. BTW, that dress is fugly. Oh look who's talkin'....I've been meaning to talk to you about that shirt.
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sheesh, my shirt, my dress, my butt.. Where are the white lies? I want them, like them, love them...
 Sorry Kate
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Ok, my fault we got off topic. I would like to hear from anyone who knowing decieved someone and I'd like to know why?
Hopefully we are not back on topic. 
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