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It does support Christianity thank you very much. Give me one incident where God had someone judge someone in the NEW TESTAMENT. In the old testament people were judged on earth for their sins, eg., being stoned to death. The coming of Jesus changed that, Jesus is now the judge and has specifically told us not to judge anyone, for with what judgement we judge others it will be judged towards us as well now. You seem to miss the point here entirely. You can't use Jesus as an excuse for the Biblical God. If the Biblical God had commanded people "Thou shalt not Kill" and then went on to give a myriad of exceptions where this commandment doesn't hold. Then it truly doesn't matter what Jesus might have done at all. That would have been way too late. You can't have a schizophrenic God. Either the God of the Old Testament has validity in its own right, or it doesn't. Jesus can't fix a badly written mythology after the fact. I agree with you that Jesus did indeed reject the teachings of the Old Testament. But as far as I'm concerned that just serves to prove that he couldn't have possibly been the son of that God. He didn't even agree with those teachings! He was obviously teaching the wisdom of Buddha and not the absurdities of the old Hebrew folklore. Absurdities that even YOU recognize and would like to separate Jesus from. The best way to do that is to simply recognize that Jesus was not the only begotten son of the fictitious godhead of the Old Testament but instead he was teaching the wisdom of the ways of Indian Buddhism. That solves everything right there.  I didn’t know Jesus rejected the teaching of the old testament? KJV -Matthew 5:18-19 “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” Jesus didn't reject the teachings of the old testament. Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Jesus came to fulfil the old testament, not to destroy it, not to amend it, not to do anything with it but complete it. Exactly, so that would suggest that the old and the new Testaments are binding. They are binding?........ can you be more specific? I don't comprehend what you're meaning. Binding in what way? The old testament was the laws for the people before Jesus, with the prophecy of a saviour coming. Jesus "the saviour" came thus fulfilling the old testament and gave us the new testament. you are not correct here Jesus keeps telling the prophets that he did not come here to rewrite or make any new laws but to uphold them. John 10:35 the scripture cannot be broken referring to Matthew 5:17 again - Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. Luke 16:17- It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid I already used that verse, next time try using the entire verse not just a part of the verse. And notice the BUT TO FULFIL. Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. ============================== Luke 16:17- It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid This is from the new testament so the law that is being mentioned here is the law Jesus was giving us. |
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It does support Christianity thank you very much. Give me one incident where God had someone judge someone in the NEW TESTAMENT. In the old testament people were judged on earth for their sins, eg., being stoned to death. The coming of Jesus changed that, Jesus is now the judge and has specifically told us not to judge anyone, for with what judgement we judge others it will be judged towards us as well now. You seem to miss the point here entirely. You can't use Jesus as an excuse for the Biblical God. If the Biblical God had commanded people "Thou shalt not Kill" and then went on to give a myriad of exceptions where this commandment doesn't hold. Then it truly doesn't matter what Jesus might have done at all. That would have been way too late. You can't have a schizophrenic God. Either the God of the Old Testament has validity in its own right, or it doesn't. Jesus can't fix a badly written mythology after the fact. I agree with you that Jesus did indeed reject the teachings of the Old Testament. But as far as I'm concerned that just serves to prove that he couldn't have possibly been the son of that God. He didn't even agree with those teachings! He was obviously teaching the wisdom of Buddha and not the absurdities of the old Hebrew folklore. Absurdities that even YOU recognize and would like to separate Jesus from. The best way to do that is to simply recognize that Jesus was not the only begotten son of the fictitious godhead of the Old Testament but instead he was teaching the wisdom of the ways of Indian Buddhism. That solves everything right there. I didn’t know Jesus rejected the teaching of the old testament? KJV -Matthew 5:18-19 “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” Jesus didn't reject the teachings of the old testament. Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Jesus came to fulfil the old testament, not to destroy it, not to amend it, not to do anything with it but complete it. Exactly, so that would suggest that the old and the new Testaments are binding. They are binding?........ can you be more specific? I don't comprehend what you're meaning. Binding in what way? The old testament was the laws for the people before Jesus, with the prophecy of a saviour coming. Jesus "the saviour" came thus fulfilling the old testament and gave us the new testament. you are not correct here Jesus keeps telling the prophets that he did not come here to rewrite or make any new laws but to uphold them. John 10:35 the scripture cannot be broken referring to Matthew 5:17 again - Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. Luke 16:17- It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid I already used that verse, next time try using the entire verse not just a part of the verse. And notice the BUT TO FULFIL. Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. ============================== Luke 16:17- It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid This is from the new testament so the law that is being mentioned here is the law Jesus was giving us. the same old law which part don’t you understand. John7:19Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law and )& John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses |
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It does support Christianity thank you very much. Give me one incident where God had someone judge someone in the NEW TESTAMENT. In the old testament people were judged on earth for their sins, eg., being stoned to death. The coming of Jesus changed that, Jesus is now the judge and has specifically told us not to judge anyone, for with what judgement we judge others it will be judged towards us as well now. You seem to miss the point here entirely. You can't use Jesus as an excuse for the Biblical God. If the Biblical God had commanded people "Thou shalt not Kill" and then went on to give a myriad of exceptions where this commandment doesn't hold. Then it truly doesn't matter what Jesus might have done at all. That would have been way too late. You can't have a schizophrenic God. Either the God of the Old Testament has validity in its own right, or it doesn't. Jesus can't fix a badly written mythology after the fact. I agree with you that Jesus did indeed reject the teachings of the Old Testament. But as far as I'm concerned that just serves to prove that he couldn't have possibly been the son of that God. He didn't even agree with those teachings! He was obviously teaching the wisdom of Buddha and not the absurdities of the old Hebrew folklore. Absurdities that even YOU recognize and would like to separate Jesus from. The best way to do that is to simply recognize that Jesus was not the only begotten son of the fictitious godhead of the Old Testament but instead he was teaching the wisdom of the ways of Indian Buddhism. That solves everything right there. I didn’t know Jesus rejected the teaching of the old testament? KJV -Matthew 5:18-19 “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” Jesus didn't reject the teachings of the old testament. Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Jesus came to fulfil the old testament, not to destroy it, not to amend it, not to do anything with it but complete it. Exactly, so that would suggest that the old and the new Testaments are binding. They are binding?........ can you be more specific? I don't comprehend what you're meaning. Binding in what way? The old testament was the laws for the people before Jesus, with the prophecy of a saviour coming. Jesus "the saviour" came thus fulfilling the old testament and gave us the new testament. you are not correct here Jesus keeps telling the prophets that he did not come here to rewrite or make any new laws but to uphold them. John 10:35 the scripture cannot be broken referring to Matthew 5:17 again - Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. Luke 16:17- It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid I already used that verse, next time try using the entire verse not just a part of the verse. And notice the BUT TO FULFIL. Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. ============================== Luke 16:17- It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid This is from the new testament so the law that is being mentioned here is the law Jesus was giving us. the same old law which part don’t you understand. John7:19Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law and )& John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses The law moses was given is in the old testament. Why do you guys not like putting the entire verse? ============================================== John 7:19 Did not Moses give you the law, and none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me? =============================================== Again, the law moses was given *old testament* gave a prophecy of a savior coming *Jesus*. So he's asking them why they didn't keep that law and why they want to kill him for all he's doing was fulfilling the law which was given to moses. |
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It does support Christianity thank you very much. Give me one incident where God had someone judge someone in the NEW TESTAMENT. In the old testament people were judged on earth for their sins, eg., being stoned to death. The coming of Jesus changed that, Jesus is now the judge and has specifically told us not to judge anyone, for with what judgement we judge others it will be judged towards us as well now. You seem to miss the point here entirely. You can't use Jesus as an excuse for the Biblical God. If the Biblical God had commanded people "Thou shalt not Kill" and then went on to give a myriad of exceptions where this commandment doesn't hold. Then it truly doesn't matter what Jesus might have done at all. That would have been way too late. You can't have a schizophrenic God. Either the God of the Old Testament has validity in its own right, or it doesn't. Jesus can't fix a badly written mythology after the fact. I agree with you that Jesus did indeed reject the teachings of the Old Testament. But as far as I'm concerned that just serves to prove that he couldn't have possibly been the son of that God. He didn't even agree with those teachings! He was obviously teaching the wisdom of Buddha and not the absurdities of the old Hebrew folklore. Absurdities that even YOU recognize and would like to separate Jesus from. The best way to do that is to simply recognize that Jesus was not the only begotten son of the fictitious godhead of the Old Testament but instead he was teaching the wisdom of the ways of Indian Buddhism. That solves everything right there. I didn’t know Jesus rejected the teaching of the old testament? KJV -Matthew 5:18-19 “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” Jesus didn't reject the teachings of the old testament. Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Jesus came to fulfil the old testament, not to destroy it, not to amend it, not to do anything with it but complete it. Exactly, so that would suggest that the old and the new Testaments are binding. They are binding?........ can you be more specific? I don't comprehend what you're meaning. Binding in what way? The old testament was the laws for the people before Jesus, with the prophecy of a saviour coming. Jesus "the saviour" came thus fulfilling the old testament and gave us the new testament. you are not correct here Jesus keeps telling the prophets that he did not come here to rewrite or make any new laws but to uphold them. John 10:35 the scripture cannot be broken referring to Matthew 5:17 again - Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. Luke 16:17- It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid I already used that verse, next time try using the entire verse not just a part of the verse. And notice the BUT TO FULFIL. Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. ============================== Luke 16:17- It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid This is from the new testament so the law that is being mentioned here is the law Jesus was giving us. the same old law which part don’t you understand. John7:19Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law and )& John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses The law moses was given is in the old testament. Why do you guys not like putting the entire verse? ============================================== John 7:19 Did not Moses give you the law, and none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me? =============================================== Again, the law moses was given *old testament* gave a prophecy of a savior coming *Jesus*. So he's asking them why they didn't keep that law and why they want to kill him for all he's doing was fulfilling the law which was given to moses. you are twisting things to suit you, you very well know in numerous scriptures Jesus keeps saying he did not come to make any new laws as the old laws cannot be broken once thy are written and are binding forever. I think it is pretty clear. Here is a reminder for you if you are a believer that you are committing a sin right now.  2 Peter 20-21 Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God for affirmations that you are wrong just thought of this one. Jesus gets upset with the Jews for not killing their children according to the old testament. Mark 7:10 Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses father or mother shall die" I could spend all day proving you wrong. |
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It does support Christianity thank you very much. Give me one incident where God had someone judge someone in the NEW TESTAMENT. In the old testament people were judged on earth for their sins, eg., being stoned to death. The coming of Jesus changed that, Jesus is now the judge and has specifically told us not to judge anyone, for with what judgement we judge others it will be judged towards us as well now. You seem to miss the point here entirely. You can't use Jesus as an excuse for the Biblical God. If the Biblical God had commanded people "Thou shalt not Kill" and then went on to give a myriad of exceptions where this commandment doesn't hold. Then it truly doesn't matter what Jesus might have done at all. That would have been way too late. You can't have a schizophrenic God. Either the God of the Old Testament has validity in its own right, or it doesn't. Jesus can't fix a badly written mythology after the fact. I agree with you that Jesus did indeed reject the teachings of the Old Testament. But as far as I'm concerned that just serves to prove that he couldn't have possibly been the son of that God. He didn't even agree with those teachings! He was obviously teaching the wisdom of Buddha and not the absurdities of the old Hebrew folklore. Absurdities that even YOU recognize and would like to separate Jesus from. The best way to do that is to simply recognize that Jesus was not the only begotten son of the fictitious godhead of the Old Testament but instead he was teaching the wisdom of the ways of Indian Buddhism. That solves everything right there. I didn’t know Jesus rejected the teaching of the old testament? KJV -Matthew 5:18-19 “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” Jesus didn't reject the teachings of the old testament. Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Jesus came to fulfil the old testament, not to destroy it, not to amend it, not to do anything with it but complete it. Exactly, so that would suggest that the old and the new Testaments are binding. They are binding?........ can you be more specific? I don't comprehend what you're meaning. Binding in what way? The old testament was the laws for the people before Jesus, with the prophecy of a saviour coming. Jesus "the saviour" came thus fulfilling the old testament and gave us the new testament. you are not correct here Jesus keeps telling the prophets that he did not come here to rewrite or make any new laws but to uphold them. John 10:35 the scripture cannot be broken referring to Matthew 5:17 again - Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. Luke 16:17- It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid I already used that verse, next time try using the entire verse not just a part of the verse. And notice the BUT TO FULFIL. Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. ============================== Luke 16:17- It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid This is from the new testament so the law that is being mentioned here is the law Jesus was giving us. the same old law which part don’t you understand. John7:19Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law and )& John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses The law moses was given is in the old testament. Why do you guys not like putting the entire verse? ============================================== John 7:19 Did not Moses give you the law, and none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me? =============================================== Again, the law moses was given *old testament* gave a prophecy of a savior coming *Jesus*. So he's asking them why they didn't keep that law and why they want to kill him for all he's doing was fulfilling the law which was given to moses. you are twisting things to suit you, you very well know in numerous scriptures Jesus keeps saying he did not come to make any new laws as the old laws cannot be broken once thy are written and are binding forever. I think it is pretty clear. Here is a reminder for you if you are a believer that you are committing a sin right now. 2 Peter 20-21 Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God for affirmations that you are wrong just thought of this one. Jesus gets upset with the Jews for not killing their children according to the old testament. Mark 7:10 Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses father or mother shall die" I could spend all day proving you wrong. If you read the old testament*old law* it has prophecies of a saviour coming. The old testament *old law* was fulfilled with the coming of Jesus. So nothing changed, nothing canceled out, nothing made null, nothing loss power....... it was FULFILLED, completed, finished, finalized. |
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It does support Christianity thank you very much. Give me one incident where God had someone judge someone in the NEW TESTAMENT. In the old testament people were judged on earth for their sins, eg., being stoned to death. The coming of Jesus changed that, Jesus is now the judge and has specifically told us not to judge anyone, for with what judgement we judge others it will be judged towards us as well now. You seem to miss the point here entirely. You can't use Jesus as an excuse for the Biblical God. If the Biblical God had commanded people "Thou shalt not Kill" and then went on to give a myriad of exceptions where this commandment doesn't hold. Then it truly doesn't matter what Jesus might have done at all. That would have been way too late. You can't have a schizophrenic God. Either the God of the Old Testament has validity in its own right, or it doesn't. Jesus can't fix a badly written mythology after the fact. I agree with you that Jesus did indeed reject the teachings of the Old Testament. But as far as I'm concerned that just serves to prove that he couldn't have possibly been the son of that God. He didn't even agree with those teachings! He was obviously teaching the wisdom of Buddha and not the absurdities of the old Hebrew folklore. Absurdities that even YOU recognize and would like to separate Jesus from. The best way to do that is to simply recognize that Jesus was not the only begotten son of the fictitious godhead of the Old Testament but instead he was teaching the wisdom of the ways of Indian Buddhism. That solves everything right there. I didn’t know Jesus rejected the teaching of the old testament? KJV -Matthew 5:18-19 “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” Jesus didn't reject the teachings of the old testament. Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Jesus came to fulfil the old testament, not to destroy it, not to amend it, not to do anything with it but complete it. Exactly, so that would suggest that the old and the new Testaments are binding. They are binding?........ can you be more specific? I don't comprehend what you're meaning. Binding in what way? The old testament was the laws for the people before Jesus, with the prophecy of a saviour coming. Jesus "the saviour" came thus fulfilling the old testament and gave us the new testament. you are not correct here Jesus keeps telling the prophets that he did not come here to rewrite or make any new laws but to uphold them. John 10:35 the scripture cannot be broken referring to Matthew 5:17 again - Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. Luke 16:17- It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid I already used that verse, next time try using the entire verse not just a part of the verse. And notice the BUT TO FULFIL. Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. ============================== Luke 16:17- It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid This is from the new testament so the law that is being mentioned here is the law Jesus was giving us. the same old law which part don’t you understand. John7:19Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law and )& John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses The law moses was given is in the old testament. Why do you guys not like putting the entire verse? ============================================== John 7:19 Did not Moses give you the law, and none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me? =============================================== Again, the law moses was given *old testament* gave a prophecy of a savior coming *Jesus*. So he's asking them why they didn't keep that law and why they want to kill him for all he's doing was fulfilling the law which was given to moses. you are twisting things to suit you, you very well know in numerous scriptures Jesus keeps saying he did not come to make any new laws as the old laws cannot be broken once thy are written and are binding forever. I think it is pretty clear. Here is a reminder for you if you are a believer that you are committing a sin right now. 2 Peter 20-21 Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God for affirmations that you are wrong just thought of this one. Jesus gets upset with the Jews for not killing their children according to the old testament. Mark 7:10 Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses father or mother shall die" I could spend all day proving you wrong. If you read the old testament*old law* it has prophecies of a saviour coming. The old testament *old law* was fulfilled with the coming of Jesus. So nothing changed, nothing canceled out, nothing made null, nothing loss power....... it was FULFILLED, completed, finished, finalized. read this http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/Debunking_Christians/Page26.htm |
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It does support Christianity thank you very much. Give me one incident where God had someone judge someone in the NEW TESTAMENT. In the old testament people were judged on earth for their sins, eg., being stoned to death. The coming of Jesus changed that, Jesus is now the judge and has specifically told us not to judge anyone, for with what judgement we judge others it will be judged towards us as well now. You seem to miss the point here entirely. You can't use Jesus as an excuse for the Biblical God. If the Biblical God had commanded people "Thou shalt not Kill" and then went on to give a myriad of exceptions where this commandment doesn't hold. Then it truly doesn't matter what Jesus might have done at all. That would have been way too late. You can't have a schizophrenic God. Either the God of the Old Testament has validity in its own right, or it doesn't. Jesus can't fix a badly written mythology after the fact. I agree with you that Jesus did indeed reject the teachings of the Old Testament. But as far as I'm concerned that just serves to prove that he couldn't have possibly been the son of that God. He didn't even agree with those teachings! He was obviously teaching the wisdom of Buddha and not the absurdities of the old Hebrew folklore. Absurdities that even YOU recognize and would like to separate Jesus from. The best way to do that is to simply recognize that Jesus was not the only begotten son of the fictitious godhead of the Old Testament but instead he was teaching the wisdom of the ways of Indian Buddhism. That solves everything right there. I didn’t know Jesus rejected the teaching of the old testament? KJV -Matthew 5:18-19 “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” Jesus didn't reject the teachings of the old testament. Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Jesus came to fulfil the old testament, not to destroy it, not to amend it, not to do anything with it but complete it. Exactly, so that would suggest that the old and the new Testaments are binding. They are binding?........ can you be more specific? I don't comprehend what you're meaning. Binding in what way? The old testament was the laws for the people before Jesus, with the prophecy of a saviour coming. Jesus "the saviour" came thus fulfilling the old testament and gave us the new testament. you are not correct here Jesus keeps telling the prophets that he did not come here to rewrite or make any new laws but to uphold them. John 10:35 the scripture cannot be broken referring to Matthew 5:17 again - Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. Luke 16:17- It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid I already used that verse, next time try using the entire verse not just a part of the verse. And notice the BUT TO FULFIL. Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. ============================== Luke 16:17- It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid This is from the new testament so the law that is being mentioned here is the law Jesus was giving us. the same old law which part don’t you understand. John7:19Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law and )& John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses The law moses was given is in the old testament. Why do you guys not like putting the entire verse? ============================================== John 7:19 Did not Moses give you the law, and none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me? =============================================== Again, the law moses was given *old testament* gave a prophecy of a savior coming *Jesus*. So he's asking them why they didn't keep that law and why they want to kill him for all he's doing was fulfilling the law which was given to moses. you are twisting things to suit you, you very well know in numerous scriptures Jesus keeps saying he did not come to make any new laws as the old laws cannot be broken once thy are written and are binding forever. I think it is pretty clear. Here is a reminder for you if you are a believer that you are committing a sin right now. 2 Peter 20-21 Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God for affirmations that you are wrong just thought of this one. Jesus gets upset with the Jews for not killing their children according to the old testament. Mark 7:10 Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses father or mother shall die" I could spend all day proving you wrong. If you read the old testament*old law* it has prophecies of a saviour coming. The old testament *old law* was fulfilled with the coming of Jesus. So nothing changed, nothing canceled out, nothing made null, nothing loss power....... it was FULFILLED, completed, finished, finalized. read this http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/Debunking_Christians/Page26.htm Nah dude, that's a site just to fight fire with fire. Using their own scripture against them changes nothing in their minds. It's all been scripted out anyway as to how they are to interpret it...right?  |
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It does support Christianity thank you very much. Give me one incident where God had someone judge someone in the NEW TESTAMENT. In the old testament people were judged on earth for their sins, eg., being stoned to death. The coming of Jesus changed that, Jesus is now the judge and has specifically told us not to judge anyone, for with what judgement we judge others it will be judged towards us as well now. You seem to miss the point here entirely. You can't use Jesus as an excuse for the Biblical God. If the Biblical God had commanded people "Thou shalt not Kill" and then went on to give a myriad of exceptions where this commandment doesn't hold. Then it truly doesn't matter what Jesus might have done at all. That would have been way too late. You can't have a schizophrenic God. Either the God of the Old Testament has validity in its own right, or it doesn't. Jesus can't fix a badly written mythology after the fact. I agree with you that Jesus did indeed reject the teachings of the Old Testament. But as far as I'm concerned that just serves to prove that he couldn't have possibly been the son of that God. He didn't even agree with those teachings! He was obviously teaching the wisdom of Buddha and not the absurdities of the old Hebrew folklore. Absurdities that even YOU recognize and would like to separate Jesus from. The best way to do that is to simply recognize that Jesus was not the only begotten son of the fictitious godhead of the Old Testament but instead he was teaching the wisdom of the ways of Indian Buddhism. That solves everything right there. I didn’t know Jesus rejected the teaching of the old testament? KJV -Matthew 5:18-19 “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” Jesus didn't reject the teachings of the old testament. Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Jesus came to fulfil the old testament, not to destroy it, not to amend it, not to do anything with it but complete it. Exactly, so that would suggest that the old and the new Testaments are binding. They are binding?........ can you be more specific? I don't comprehend what you're meaning. Binding in what way? The old testament was the laws for the people before Jesus, with the prophecy of a saviour coming. Jesus "the saviour" came thus fulfilling the old testament and gave us the new testament. you are not correct here Jesus keeps telling the prophets that he did not come here to rewrite or make any new laws but to uphold them. John 10:35 the scripture cannot be broken referring to Matthew 5:17 again - Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. Luke 16:17- It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid I already used that verse, next time try using the entire verse not just a part of the verse. And notice the BUT TO FULFIL. Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. ============================== Luke 16:17- It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid This is from the new testament so the law that is being mentioned here is the law Jesus was giving us. the same old law which part don’t you understand. John7:19Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law and )& John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses The law moses was given is in the old testament. Why do you guys not like putting the entire verse? ============================================== John 7:19 Did not Moses give you the law, and none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me? =============================================== Again, the law moses was given *old testament* gave a prophecy of a savior coming *Jesus*. So he's asking them why they didn't keep that law and why they want to kill him for all he's doing was fulfilling the law which was given to moses. you are twisting things to suit you, you very well know in numerous scriptures Jesus keeps saying he did not come to make any new laws as the old laws cannot be broken once thy are written and are binding forever. I think it is pretty clear. Here is a reminder for you if you are a believer that you are committing a sin right now. 2 Peter 20-21 Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God for affirmations that you are wrong just thought of this one. Jesus gets upset with the Jews for not killing their children according to the old testament. Mark 7:10 Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses father or mother shall die" I could spend all day proving you wrong. If you read the old testament*old law* it has prophecies of a saviour coming. The old testament *old law* was fulfilled with the coming of Jesus. So nothing changed, nothing canceled out, nothing made null, nothing loss power....... it was FULFILLED, completed, finished, finalized. read this http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/Debunking_Christians/Page26.htm I read it and it's quite off. The coming of Jesus was only the START of the building of this nation. Never did it say that it would be completed in his lifetime. If you'll read revelations it tells of this nation that this is referring to. Again, Jesus was only the start of building this nation, that is yet to come. |
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It does support Christianity thank you very much. Give me one incident where God had someone judge someone in the NEW TESTAMENT. In the old testament people were judged on earth for their sins, eg., being stoned to death. The coming of Jesus changed that, Jesus is now the judge and has specifically told us not to judge anyone, for with what judgement we judge others it will be judged towards us as well now. You seem to miss the point here entirely. You can't use Jesus as an excuse for the Biblical God. If the Biblical God had commanded people "Thou shalt not Kill" and then went on to give a myriad of exceptions where this commandment doesn't hold. Then it truly doesn't matter what Jesus might have done at all. That would have been way too late. You can't have a schizophrenic God. Either the God of the Old Testament has validity in its own right, or it doesn't. Jesus can't fix a badly written mythology after the fact. I agree with you that Jesus did indeed reject the teachings of the Old Testament. But as far as I'm concerned that just serves to prove that he couldn't have possibly been the son of that God. He didn't even agree with those teachings! He was obviously teaching the wisdom of Buddha and not the absurdities of the old Hebrew folklore. Absurdities that even YOU recognize and would like to separate Jesus from. The best way to do that is to simply recognize that Jesus was not the only begotten son of the fictitious godhead of the Old Testament but instead he was teaching the wisdom of the ways of Indian Buddhism. That solves everything right there. I didn’t know Jesus rejected the teaching of the old testament? KJV -Matthew 5:18-19 “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” Jesus didn't reject the teachings of the old testament. Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Jesus came to fulfil the old testament, not to destroy it, not to amend it, not to do anything with it but complete it. Exactly, so that would suggest that the old and the new Testaments are binding. They are binding?........ can you be more specific? I don't comprehend what you're meaning. Binding in what way? The old testament was the laws for the people before Jesus, with the prophecy of a saviour coming. Jesus "the saviour" came thus fulfilling the old testament and gave us the new testament. you are not correct here Jesus keeps telling the prophets that he did not come here to rewrite or make any new laws but to uphold them. John 10:35 the scripture cannot be broken referring to Matthew 5:17 again - Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. Luke 16:17- It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid I already used that verse, next time try using the entire verse not just a part of the verse. And notice the BUT TO FULFIL. Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. ============================== Luke 16:17- It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid This is from the new testament so the law that is being mentioned here is the law Jesus was giving us. the same old law which part don’t you understand. John7:19Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law and )& John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses The law moses was given is in the old testament. Why do you guys not like putting the entire verse? ============================================== John 7:19 Did not Moses give you the law, and none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me? =============================================== Again, the law moses was given *old testament* gave a prophecy of a savior coming *Jesus*. So he's asking them why they didn't keep that law and why they want to kill him for all he's doing was fulfilling the law which was given to moses. you are twisting things to suit you, you very well know in numerous scriptures Jesus keeps saying he did not come to make any new laws as the old laws cannot be broken once thy are written and are binding forever. I think it is pretty clear. Here is a reminder for you if you are a believer that you are committing a sin right now. 2 Peter 20-21 Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God for affirmations that you are wrong just thought of this one. Jesus gets upset with the Jews for not killing their children according to the old testament. Mark 7:10 Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses father or mother shall die" I could spend all day proving you wrong. If you read the old testament*old law* it has prophecies of a saviour coming. The old testament *old law* was fulfilled with the coming of Jesus. So nothing changed, nothing canceled out, nothing made null, nothing loss power....... it was FULFILLED, completed, finished, finalized. read this http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/Debunking_Christians/Page26.htm I read it and it's quite off. The coming of Jesus was only the START of the building of this nation. Never did it say that it would be completed in his lifetime. If you'll read revelations it tells of this nation that this is referring to. Again, Jesus was only the start of building this nation, that is yet to come. Some of the Thumpers tend to be traitors to the Constitution. |
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