Topic: "it has served us well…this myth of Christ" Pope LeoX, 1
CowboyGH's photo
Wed 10/06/10 11:27 AM


Yes Satan is the cause of alot of people's behaviours and actions, but never a reasoning. It still boils down to our own choice to either do the sinful action or not. Nothing can MAKE anyone do anything, it is still our own responsibility to do the right thing.


That's an oxymoronic statement. How can Satan be the 'cause' of anyone's actions if people always have the free will to make their own choices? huh

In fact, you continually accuse everyone who refuses to accept that the ancient Hebrews speak for God, but there is clearly nothing 'sinful' about disbelieving the words of a bunch of mortal men.

That's not the same as refusing to obey a "God" who actually makes himself known.

So until your God actually shows himself, it's absurd to believe that he would "pass judgment" on anyone for not obeying him. He hasn't directly communicated with them and therefore cannot claim that they refused him.

At best, in his infinite wisdom he could clearly see that all they are doing is refusing to believe the tall tales of other mortal men.

In fact, you reject the tall tales of many mortal men. Just like the OP suggests, "When religious 'believers' understand why they dismiss all possible gods and religions except for their one 'true' god , they will understand why I dismiss theirs."

There's no reason to believe that the ancient Hebrews had the "only" connection with the creator of ALL humanity. In fact, such a notion is actually quite unrealistic and unbelievable.

If there is a creator of all of humanity who is attempting to communicate with us, he/she/it would surely attempt to communicate with all cultures equally. To believe that the creator of humanity would single out a particular culture and political nation as its "chosen" people is unreasonable.

The very fact that these ancient Hebrews make such a claim is reason to highly suspect their religious bigotry.



In fact, you continually accuse everyone who refuses to accept that the ancient Hebrews speak for God, but there is clearly nothing 'sinful' about disbelieving the words of a bunch of mortal men.
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Matthew 10:33
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But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
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So until your God actually shows himself, it's absurd to believe that he would "pass judgment" on anyone for not obeying him. He hasn't directly communicated with them and therefore cannot claim that they refused him.
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Man separated themselves from God by eating of the fruit. It's not God's job to get us to heaven, it is our job to seek heaven. God shows himself to us everyday. Have you seen God today? I have.
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Wed 10/06/10 11:35 AM

its absoulutley impossible for there to be no GOD , we didnt jus spring up out of no where and ne so called theroy on a scientific level is even more absurd and blasphemy.


if God can just spring up out of nothingness then that fact alone should provide believers with the sufficient evidence that things other than God can also just spring up ...

Abracadabra's photo
Wed 10/06/10 11:47 AM

In fact, you continually accuse everyone who refuses to accept that the ancient Hebrews speak for God, but there is clearly nothing 'sinful' about disbelieving the words of a bunch of mortal men.
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Matthew 10:33
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But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
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Matthew was a mortal man my friend. bigsmile



So until your God actually shows himself, it's absurd to believe that he would "pass judgment" on anyone for not obeying him. He hasn't directly communicated with them and therefore cannot claim that they refused him.
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Man separated themselves from God by eating of the fruit. It's not God's job to get us to heaven, it is our job to seek heaven. God shows himself to us everyday. Have you seen God today? I have.
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Sure, I see the pantheistic "god" of the Eastern Mystics every day, I experience being that "god" as well.

However, I haven't seen hide nor hair of any male-chauvinistic God who would have me stoning people to death on his behalf for not worshiping him. whoa

Nope, I've never seen anything even remotely close to a God like you describe.

I haven't seen any talking burning bushes either.




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Wed 10/06/10 11:55 AM

I haven't seen any talking burning bushes either.


that's because you have to smoke them first

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Wed 10/06/10 12:04 PM

Im not a religious bigot but who r u to judge anyway? If u nobody says kill homosexuals! U need 2 sit down with someone who actually understands the Bible an have them clue u in on a few misperseptions u have!


The authors of the Bible were the religious bigots.

I don't need to sit down with anyone. If you think the Bible doesn't say that homosexuals should be put to death then you're the one who needs to have Bible lessons.

Here you go:


Leviticus 20:

[7] Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy: for I am the LORD your God.
[8] And ye shall keep my statutes, and do them: I am the LORD which sanctify you.
[9] For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.
[10] And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
[11] And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
[12] And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them.
[13] If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.


According to the Bible the LORD has sanctified us to keep these statutes, and do them.

So we should be killing all the people who do the things on this list above according to the Bible. And killing homosexuals is one of the things on this list according to verse 13.

So who is it that needs to study the Bible again? huh

This is a bloody gory fable. But if you're going to worship it and support it, then do so.

Otherwise, why bother support something that you don't even agree with? spock



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Wed 10/06/10 12:05 PM


In fact, you continually accuse everyone who refuses to accept that the ancient Hebrews speak for God, but there is clearly nothing 'sinful' about disbelieving the words of a bunch of mortal men.
--------------------------------------------------------
Matthew 10:33
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But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
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Matthew was a mortal man my friend. bigsmile



So until your God actually shows himself, it's absurd to believe that he would "pass judgment" on anyone for not obeying him. He hasn't directly communicated with them and therefore cannot claim that they refused him.
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Man separated themselves from God by eating of the fruit. It's not God's job to get us to heaven, it is our job to seek heaven. God shows himself to us everyday. Have you seen God today? I have.
============================================


Sure, I see the pantheistic "god" of the Eastern Mystics every day, I experience being that "god" as well.

However, I haven't seen hide nor hair of any male-chauvinistic God who would have me stoning people to death on his behalf for not worshiping him. whoa

Nope, I've never seen anything even remotely close to a God like you describe.

I haven't seen any talking burning bushes either.






Take some acid then go for a walk. You'll see all kinds of talking things, burning and otherwise. Happened to me when a "friend" slipped it into my drink, a long time ago. He thought it would be funny. Needless to say, we're not friends any more.

Personally, I think alot of the stories in the bible are based on "trips" of some kind or outright schitzoid pathology.

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Wed 10/06/10 12:17 PM

Take some acid then go for a walk. You'll see all kinds of talking things, burning and otherwise. Happened to me when a "friend" slipped it into my drink, a long time ago. He thought it would be funny. Needless to say, we're not friends any more.

Personally, I think alot of the stories in the bible are based on "trips" of some kind or outright schitzoid pathology.


I've never been on an acid trip. I passed by the opportunity back in the 60's and early 70's. Now I'm kind of wishing I could experience that before I die. Just to see what it's like.

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Wed 10/06/10 12:19 PM


Im not a religious bigot but who r u to judge anyway? If u nobody says kill homosexuals! U need 2 sit down with someone who actually understands the Bible an have them clue u in on a few misperseptions u have!


The authors of the Bible were the religious bigots.

I don't need to sit down with anyone. If you think the Bible doesn't say that homosexuals should be put to death then you're the one who needs to have Bible lessons.

Here you go:


Leviticus 20:

[7] Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy: for I am the LORD your God.
[8] And ye shall keep my statutes, and do them: I am the LORD which sanctify you.
[9] For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.
[10] And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
[11] And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
[12] And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them.
[13] If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.


According to the Bible the LORD has sanctified us to keep these statutes, and do them.

So we should be killing all the people who do the things on this list above according to the Bible. And killing homosexuals is one of the things on this list according to verse 13.

So who is it that needs to study the Bible again? huh

This is a bloody gory fable. But if you're going to worship it and support it, then do so.

Otherwise, why bother support something that you don't even agree with? spock






You do realize ur talkin bout customs that took place many yrs ago right? Ah yes u do. Okay then, death does not mean "slice em dice em hang em by their toes" it is a death of the soul it is dying away from God. U have to keep things in context.

It says God is jealous also but doesnt mean jealous like slappin other Gods around! If that were the case He coulda done that already! It means He wants all our attention cause He created us and deserves it. U people make me sick U will see when ur time comes. Then u will be sry U missed the most precious gift life could offer!

GummiBear's photo
Wed 10/06/10 12:20 PM


its absoulutley impossible for there to be no GOD , we didnt jus spring up out of no where and ne so called theroy on a scientific level is even more absurd and blasphemy.


if God can just spring up out of nothingness then that fact alone should provide believers with the sufficient evidence that things other than God can also just spring up ...


God didn spring up outta nothin. He always was. Always. Hard 2 imagine for our human minds but that is the truth!

GummiBear's photo
Wed 10/06/10 12:21 PM
Edited by GummiBear on Wed 10/06/10 12:22 PM
God sees all sin the same. He will pass judgment on everyone for sinning not just particular groups.

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Wed 10/06/10 12:23 PM

Interesting what Christians grasp onto….




Interresting what morons post in hopes of starting arguments they know they cant win

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Wed 10/06/10 12:32 PM



its absoulutley impossible for there to be no GOD , we didnt jus spring up out of no where and ne so called theroy on a scientific level is even more absurd and blasphemy.


if God can just spring up out of nothingness then that fact alone should provide believers with the sufficient evidence that things other than God can also just spring up ...


God didn spring up outta nothin. He always was. Always. Hard 2 imagine for our human minds but that is the truth!


I'm not disputing that God "always was" ...all I'm saying is that something had to have been "already here" for God to have sprang from

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Wed 10/06/10 12:39 PM




its absoulutley impossible for there to be no GOD , we didnt jus spring up out of no where and ne so called theroy on a scientific level is even more absurd and blasphemy.


if God can just spring up out of nothingness then that fact alone should provide believers with the sufficient evidence that things other than God can also just spring up ...


God didn spring up outta nothin. He always was. Always. Hard 2 imagine for our human minds but that is the truth!


I'm not disputing that God "always was" ...all I'm saying is that something had to have been "already here" for God to have sprang from

I looked and looked for something to back up the claim that god allways was.

Best I found was that an Abyss existed and god moved upon it... Nothing about where the Abyss came from... Nothing about where god came from.

So now we have two things that 'allways' existed...

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Wed 10/06/10 01:14 PM

You do realize ur talkin bout customs that took place many yrs ago right? Ah yes u do. Okay then, death does not mean "slice em dice em hang em by their toes" it is a death of the soul it is dying away from God. U have to keep things in context.


Customs? So now the "Word of God" becomes nothing more than the mere customs of an ancient society?

If that's the case then why not just toss out the whole book. The whole thing is over 2000 years old. Why bother with those old "customs"?



It says God is jealous also but doesnt mean jealous like slappin other Gods around! If that were the case He coulda done that already! It means He wants all our attention cause He created us and deserves it. U people make me sick U will see when ur time comes. Then u will be sry U missed the most precious gift life could offer!


We'll then we're even then. Because in all honesty, people who support this ancient bigoted fable of a jealous egotistical God quite frankly make me sick. Especially when they act like I'm supposed to buy into it.

As far as I can see it's a story about a jealous hateful god who isn't the least bit wise. In fact, IMHO, based on the things these stories have him doing he's dumber than a barroom drunker who flunked out of kindergarten.

I mean, as long as we're being truthful here I may as well say it like it is. That's my honest assessment.

If you want to worship this "God", then be my guest. But if you're going to try to sell the fable to me, I'll gladly tell you why I think it is utterly absurd.

That's fair, is it not?




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Wed 10/06/10 04:40 PM





its absoulutley impossible for there to be no GOD , we didnt jus spring up out of no where and ne so called theroy on a scientific level is even more absurd and blasphemy.


if God can just spring up out of nothingness then that fact alone should provide believers with the sufficient evidence that things other than God can also just spring up ...


God didn spring up outta nothin. He always was. Always. Hard 2 imagine for our human minds but that is the truth!


I'm not disputing that God "always was" ...all I'm saying is that something had to have been "already here" for God to have sprang from

I looked and looked for something to back up the claim that god allways was.

Best I found was that an Abyss existed and god moved upon it... Nothing about where the Abyss came from... Nothing about where god came from.

So now we have two things that 'allways' existed...


perhaps Evil also "always Was" ...because some will say that God didn't create evil and of course Man could not create something or have access to something unless it "always was" or unless God create it...which means if God and man didn't create Evil then evil "always was" or God is Evil...which would explain why he does what he does

also the darkness "always was" ...people like to think that God is the light...but according to Genesis light was only a creation of God ...which means the darkness "always was" and/or God is the Darkness

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Thu 10/07/10 09:46 AM


Take some acid then go for a walk. You'll see all kinds of talking things, burning and otherwise. Happened to me when a "friend" slipped it into my drink, a long time ago. He thought it would be funny. Needless to say, we're not friends any more.

Personally, I think alot of the stories in the bible are based on "trips" of some kind or outright schitzoid pathology.


I've never been on an acid trip. I passed by the opportunity back in the 60's and early 70's. Now I'm kind of wishing I could experience that before I die. Just to see what it's like.


Unless you like being completely unsure of what is real, for a while, I don't recommend it. Then there was the auditory flashbacks that haunted me for about 6 months afterward. Those were all so fun too. I was 16. Just started driving and I kept hearing sirens behind me. I was working at a grocery store and I kept hearing people screaming, softly, over the intercom. Fun times.

It's much better to be drunk, stoned, or both, in my opinion. None of which I get to do very much any more. Too damn busy. Not that I ever did much of that in the first place...well..ok...I used to drink like a fish but I pretty much quit once I turned 21. Adulthood sucks.

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Thu 10/07/10 09:54 AM



Im not a religious bigot but who r u to judge anyway? If u nobody says kill homosexuals! U need 2 sit down with someone who actually understands the Bible an have them clue u in on a few misperseptions u have!


The authors of the Bible were the religious bigots.

I don't need to sit down with anyone. If you think the Bible doesn't say that homosexuals should be put to death then you're the one who needs to have Bible lessons.

Here you go:


Leviticus 20:

[7] Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy: for I am the LORD your God.
[8] And ye shall keep my statutes, and do them: I am the LORD which sanctify you.
[9] For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.
[10] And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
[11] And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
[12] And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them.
[13] If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.


According to the Bible the LORD has sanctified us to keep these statutes, and do them.

So we should be killing all the people who do the things on this list above according to the Bible. And killing homosexuals is one of the things on this list according to verse 13.

So who is it that needs to study the Bible again? huh

This is a bloody gory fable. But if you're going to worship it and support it, then do so.

Otherwise, why bother support something that you don't even agree with? spock






You do realize ur talkin bout customs that took place many yrs ago right? Ah yes u do. Okay then, death does not mean "slice em dice em hang em by their toes" it is a death of the soul it is dying away from God. U have to keep things in context.

It says God is jealous also but doesnt mean jealous like slappin other Gods around! If that were the case He coulda done that already! It means He wants all our attention cause He created us and deserves it. U people make me sick U will see when ur time comes. Then u will be sry U missed the most precious gift life could offer!


laugh laugh laugh laugh

and...ah...go speak "txt" on your phone. If YOU can't be bothered to use actual words...oh....nevermind...you're not even worth the effort...

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Thu 10/07/10 09:57 AM



its absoulutley impossible for there to be no GOD , we didnt jus spring up out of no where and ne so called theroy on a scientific level is even more absurd and blasphemy.


if God can just spring up out of nothingness then that fact alone should provide believers with the sufficient evidence that things other than God can also just spring up ...


God didn spring up outta nothin. He always was. Always. Hard 2 imagine for our human minds but that is the truth!


So, just out of curiousity, what's your primary language anyway?

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Thu 10/07/10 09:59 AM


Interesting what Christians grasp onto….




Interresting what morons post in hopes of starting arguments they know they cant win


Interesting what morons post in really bad english.
laugh

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Thu 10/07/10 11:43 AM




Im not a religious bigot but who r u to judge anyway? If u nobody says kill homosexuals! U need 2 sit down with someone who actually understands the Bible an have them clue u in on a few misperseptions u have!


The authors of the Bible were the religious bigots.

I don't need to sit down with anyone. If you think the Bible doesn't say that homosexuals should be put to death then you're the one who needs to have Bible lessons.

Here you go:


Leviticus 20:

[7] Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy: for I am the LORD your God.
[8] And ye shall keep my statutes, and do them: I am the LORD which sanctify you.
[9] For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.
[10] And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
[11] And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
[12] And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them.
[13] If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.


According to the Bible the LORD has sanctified us to keep these statutes, and do them.

So we should be killing all the people who do the things on this list above according to the Bible. And killing homosexuals is one of the things on this list according to verse 13.

So who is it that needs to study the Bible again? huh

This is a bloody gory fable. But if you're going to worship it and support it, then do so.

Otherwise, why bother support something that you don't even agree with? spock






You do realize ur talkin bout customs that took place many yrs ago right? Ah yes u do. Okay then, death does not mean "slice em dice em hang em by their toes" it is a death of the soul it is dying away from God. U have to keep things in context.

It says God is jealous also but doesnt mean jealous like slappin other Gods around! If that were the case He coulda done that already! It means He wants all our attention cause He created us and deserves it. U people make me sick U will see when ur time comes. Then u will be sry U missed the most precious gift life could offer!


laugh laugh laugh laugh

and...ah...go speak "txt" on your phone. If YOU can't be bothered to use actual words...oh....nevermind...you're not even worth the effort...


This is from the OLD law, Jesus fulfilled the old law and gave us the new law. This no longer holds power over us. Yes it still has pretty much the same laws, the only real big difference is we aren't to judge one another anymore, Jesus has been appointed the judge of all our souls.