Topic: HOW SOON THEY FORGET,.,,,,
msharmony's photo
Thu 10/28/10 02:00 PM
another misleading news title

http://news.yahoo.com/video/politics-15749652/22686821


actually, there is nothing NEW in it as its what he said in within the first FIVE paragraphs of his innaugaral address

from http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/us/politics/20text-obama.html
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Today I say to you that the challenges we face are real, they are serious and they are many. They will not be met easily or in a short span of time. But know this America: They will be met.


Bestinshow's photo
Fri 10/29/10 12:40 PM

another misleading news title

http://news.yahoo.com/video/politics-15749652/22686821


actually, there is nothing NEW in it as its what he said in within the first FIVE paragraphs of his innaugaral address

from http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/us/politics/20text-obama.html
..........

Today I say to you that the challenges we face are real, they are serious and they are many. They will not be met easily or in a short span of time. But know this America: They will be met.


Honestly I am just stunned that the republicans are predicted to make any gains at all. I remember verry well the near five dollar a gallon gas prices and the war that was started in Iraq over Bull..... However if Obama realy was all about change he would have had a seriouse investigation into the Iraq war and all the deliberate lies that led to it and prosecuted Bush/Cheney for war crimes. In the real world though he probably would have been given the Kennededy treatment had he done that and we would be rebuilding Iraq. This country is sinking fast not much to be proud of these days.

Lpdon's photo
Fri 10/29/10 04:44 PM


another misleading news title

http://news.yahoo.com/video/politics-15749652/22686821


actually, there is nothing NEW in it as its what he said in within the first FIVE paragraphs of his innaugaral address

from http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/us/politics/20text-obama.html
..........

Today I say to you that the challenges we face are real, they are serious and they are many. They will not be met easily or in a short span of time. But know this America: They will be met.


Honestly I am just stunned that the republicans are predicted to make any gains at all. I remember verry well the near five dollar a gallon gas prices and the war that was started in Iraq over Bull..... However if Obama realy was all about change he would have had a seriouse investigation into the Iraq war and all the deliberate lies that led to it and prosecuted Bush/Cheney for war crimes. In the real world though he probably would have been given the Kennededy treatment had he done that and we would be rebuilding Iraq. This country is sinking fast not much to be proud of these days.


whoa

Seakolony's photo
Fri 10/29/10 09:26 PM


another misleading news title

http://news.yahoo.com/video/politics-15749652/22686821


actually, there is nothing NEW in it as its what he said in within the first FIVE paragraphs of his innaugaral address

from http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/us/politics/20text-obama.html
..........

Today I say to you that the challenges we face are real, they are serious and they are many. They will not be met easily or in a short span of time. But know this America: They will be met.


Honestly I am just stunned that the republicans are predicted to make any gains at all. I remember verry well the near five dollar a gallon gas prices and the war that was started in Iraq over Bull..... However if Obama realy was all about change he would have had a seriouse investigation into the Iraq war and all the deliberate lies that led to it and prosecuted Bush/Cheney for war crimes. In the real world though he probably would have been given the Kennededy treatment had he done that and we would be rebuilding Iraq. This country is sinking fast not much to be proud of these days.

Funny I don't see Obama ending it.......nor do I see anyone trying to end this war against the Muslims.....I really just don't care about this bullcrap anymore really nor will I believe campaign promises from any politician.....the elctoral college should be done away with and all bills of congress and senate should be voted on and approved by the people as well...before going to the President for Veto that would be a true voice....popular vote only no matter what.....if the US isn't in agreement then no go.......

kayak69's photo
Fri 10/29/10 09:30 PM



another misleading news title

http://news.yahoo.com/video/politics-15749652/22686821


actually, there is nothing NEW in it as its what he said in within the first FIVE paragraphs of his innaugaral address

from http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/us/politics/20text-obama.html
..........

Today I say to you that the challenges we face are real, they are serious and they are many. They will not be met easily or in a short span of time. But know this America: They will be met.


Honestly I am just stunned that the republicans are predicted to make any gains at all. I remember verry well the near five dollar a gallon gas prices and the war that was started in Iraq over Bull..... However if Obama realy was all about change he would have had a seriouse investigation into the Iraq war and all the deliberate lies that led to it and prosecuted Bush/Cheney for war crimes. In the real world though he probably would have been given the Kennededy treatment had he done that and we would be rebuilding Iraq. This country is sinking fast not much to be proud of these days.

Funny I don't see Obama ending it.......nor do I see anyone trying to end this war against the Muslims.....I really just don't care about this bullcrap anymore really nor will I believe campaign promises from any politician.....the elctoral college should be done away with and all bills of congress and senate should be voted on and approved by the people as well...before going to the President for Veto that would be a true voice....popular vote only no matter what.....if the US isn't in agreement then no go.......






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Fri 10/29/10 09:45 PM
there is no "war against muslims"..slaphead

there is a campaign of terrorism against western culture perpetrated by a fanatical group of religious zealouts who say they follow an extreme form of Islam..they call it Jihad (a holy campaign against the great satan). It has been going on for centuries...


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Fri 10/29/10 10:07 PM

there is no "war against muslims"..slaphead

there is a campaign of terrorism against western culture perpetrated by a fanatical group of religious zealouts who say they follow an extreme form of Islam..they call it Jihad (a holy campaign against the great satan). It has been going on for centuries...




pc all the way, huh....
whoa whoa

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Sat 10/30/10 01:44 PM
obama hasn't changed anything except how the public views far left policy.

he inherited a financial mess and instead of properly addressing the problem he sold us a bogus stimulus bill that did nothing more than fill the pockets of his backers like labor unions.

he wasted an entire year pushing a health care plan that is unpopular, raises premiums and is going to keep businesses from hiring and expanding. great policy to get a sinking economy moving again.

financial reform that doesn't do a damn thing to rein in fannie and freddie. The main culprits in the housing meltdown. Foreclosures are at record highs, but his banker buddies are raking in the cash.

he was always blabbering away about changing the partisanship in Washington and now hes talking about destroying enemies.

He is in so far over his head that its actually getting to the point of being pathetic.

The republicans are going to win back the house with a landslide on tuesday and they don't deserve it. They acted like a bunch of big government liberals while Bush was president and I don't believe that most of them have come to their senses in 4 years.

As bad as the republicans were in just 2 years after Obama crushed mccain, the dumbos have pissed off enough people that they feel its better to put the republicans back in power..

that pretty much says it all as far as what obama and the dumbos have actually accomplished in 2 years..

not much of anything..


Bestinshow's photo
Sun 10/31/10 08:29 AM

obama hasn't changed anything except how the public views far left policy.

he inherited a financial mess and instead of properly addressing the problem he sold us a bogus stimulus bill that did nothing more than fill the pockets of his backers like labor unions.

he wasted an entire year pushing a health care plan that is unpopular, raises premiums and is going to keep businesses from hiring and expanding. great policy to get a sinking economy moving again.

financial reform that doesn't do a damn thing to rein in fannie and freddie. The main culprits in the housing meltdown. Foreclosures are at record highs, but his banker buddies are raking in the cash.

he was always blabbering away about changing the partisanship in Washington and now hes talking about destroying enemies.

He is in so far over his head that its actually getting to the point of being pathetic.

The republicans are going to win back the house with a landslide on tuesday and they don't deserve it. They acted like a bunch of big government liberals while Bush was president and I don't believe that most of them have come to their senses in 4 years.

As bad as the republicans were in just 2 years after Obama crushed mccain, the dumbos have pissed off enough people that they feel its better to put the republicans back in power..

that pretty much says it all as far as what obama and the dumbos have actually accomplished in 2 years..

not much of anything..


I am finding your reality fairly twisted in many ways. The main culprit in the housing crisis like it or not was the rapid rise in fuel and food prices without a rise in wages, people simply lost all disposable income and then it came down to food and fuel and skip the mortgage payment. I however do agree with you on the Bush years. The huge increase in military and homeland security has turned this country into a police state. In every catagory our standard of liveing has fallen. We are less educated in poorer health with no end in sight. Republicans are not the answer they would have privatized social security before the big crash if the dems would have let them. Imagine how bad that would have been for the economy. I consider myself lucky I have health care and a pension and same employer for 18 years and my income for this year thanks to over time is almost double last years.

The comments you make about Unions are pointless the Unions have no power these days we cannot compete with slave labor and basicly take whatever the company will let us have at the barganining table. What was saved in the Cash for Clunkers program was the entire auto industry and the supply chain. If you recall america due to high gas prices almost lost GM and Chrystler. Just an FYI the auto industry is still the number one consumer of glass, steel, rubber, etc etc. So if they go down you can kiss the country goodbye. Obama was wise in this move and I hardly doubt it was payback to the Unions it just made sence.

AdventureBegins's photo
Sun 10/31/10 10:21 AM
" If you recall america due to high gas prices almost lost GM and Chrystler. "

Poppyseeds...

The near loss of GM and Chrysler was a direct result of Unions.

1. More cars in the lots than Americans to buy them. (because of overproduction to placate Union job protectionism).

2. Cars on those lots were overpriced. (because of price indexing to recoup losses caused by paying Union wages - wages far in excess of the actual work being performed).


Bestinshow's photo
Sun 10/31/10 10:51 AM

" If you recall america due to high gas prices almost lost GM and Chrystler. "

Poppyseeds...

The near loss of GM and Chrysler was a direct result of Unions.

1. More cars in the lots than Americans to buy them. (because of overproduction to placate Union job protectionism).

2. Cars on those lots were overpriced. (because of price indexing to recoup losses caused by paying Union wages - wages far in excess of the actual work being performed).


Realy? Labor only accounts for 10% of car production. google it. Ford has actualy increased the price of its line up. I suppose your knee jerk response isnt well thought out or researched. I stand by my statements that the rapid rise in fuel and food prices decimated the middle class. I lived it I know what happened. I watched my wages stagnate and food and gas and heating oil rise and rise and each month I had less and less disposable income. WIth gas at or above five bucks a gallon who in their right mind would run out and buy a car? Realy one should do at least a little research before makeing tea-party like statements. Lets add to the great debates and not drag them down to the level of children.

Bestinshow's photo
Sun 10/31/10 11:20 AM
Edited by Bestinshow on Sun 10/31/10 11:21 AM

" If you recall america due to high gas prices almost lost GM and Chrystler. "

Poppyseeds...

The near loss of GM and Chrysler was a direct result of Unions.

1. More cars in the lots than Americans to buy them. (because of overproduction to placate Union job protectionism).

2. Cars on those lots were overpriced. (because of price indexing to recoup losses caused by paying Union wages - wages far in excess of the actual work being performed).


Oh I got more on this I am sorry if I seem a little harsh on this topic but people are so misinformed ( I blame Fox news)

The U.S. won World War II. Germany lost and was devastated. Yet somehow This came up recently in the news.........

A bargain for BMW means jobs for 1,000 in S. Carolina

By Peter Whoriskey
Wednesday, October 27, 2010

GREER, S.C. - When German automaker BMW put out the call recently to hire a thousand factory workers here, the people who responded reflected the upheaval occurring in the U.S. economy.

Among the applicants: a former manager of a major distribution center for Target; a consultant who oversaw construction projects in four Western states; a supervisor at a plastics recycling firm. Some held college degrees and resumes in other fields where they made more money.

But they're all in the factory now making $15 an hour - about half of what the typical German autoworker makes.

The trade debate in the United States usually focuses on the jobs lost to factories in the developing world. But the recession has forced countless skilled workers in this country to consider jobs they would have rejected in the past. They now offer foreign manufacturers a resource that was far less common just a few years ago: cheaper wages for better talent.


"We are a low-wage country compared to Germany," said Kristin Dziczek, director of the Labor and Industry Group at the Center for Automotive Research. "And that helps put jobs here."

But the price of having a more globally competitive workforce means more in the United States could fall well short of the middle-class living standards that manufacturing workers once could expect. Wages adjusted for inflation have declined for these workers since 2003.

At General Motors and Chrysler, new hires make $14 an hour, or half the amount that existing workers take home. Likewise, at the BMW plant, which is not unionized, new workers earn a little more than half of what those hired earlier make. Some still seemed stunned by their change of circumstances. But they are almost uniformly grateful for the opportunity.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/26/AR2010102607091.html

AdventureBegins's photo
Sun 10/31/10 07:52 PM


" If you recall america due to high gas prices almost lost GM and Chrystler. "

Poppyseeds...

The near loss of GM and Chrysler was a direct result of Unions.

1. More cars in the lots than Americans to buy them. (because of overproduction to placate Union job protectionism).

2. Cars on those lots were overpriced. (because of price indexing to recoup losses caused by paying Union wages - wages far in excess of the actual work being performed).


Realy? Labor only accounts for 10% of car production. google it. Ford has actualy increased the price of its line up. I suppose your knee jerk response isnt well thought out or researched. I stand by my statements that the rapid rise in fuel and food prices decimated the middle class. I lived it I know what happened. I watched my wages stagnate and food and gas and heating oil rise and rise and each month I had less and less disposable income. WIth gas at or above five bucks a gallon who in their right mind would run out and buy a car? Realy one should do at least a little research before makeing tea-party like statements. Lets add to the great debates and not drag them down to the level of children.

'not drag ... to the level of children...' as you just did.

Labor (as applied in MANUFACTURING a car is 10% of the process-in this you are right)

DIG deeper...

Labor (as applied in accounting when doing the books) accounts for a FAR larger portion of a corporations outlay and overhead. (more than you seem to realize).

I stand by my statements... (nor did I get this from fox or any other news show - I looked up information online).

Worse even than the accounting of labor vs corporate income is what Unions do to their own members...

They actually get more than the government in some cases. (can you say hidden tax).

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Mon 11/01/10 02:02 AM



" If you recall america due to high gas prices almost lost GM and Chrystler. "

Poppyseeds...

The near loss of GM and Chrysler was a direct result of Unions.

1. More cars in the lots than Americans to buy them. (because of overproduction to placate Union job protectionism).

2. Cars on those lots were overpriced. (because of price indexing to recoup losses caused by paying Union wages - wages far in excess of the actual work being performed).


Realy? Labor only accounts for 10% of car production. google it. Ford has actualy increased the price of its line up. I suppose your knee jerk response isnt well thought out or researched. I stand by my statements that the rapid rise in fuel and food prices decimated the middle class. I lived it I know what happened. I watched my wages stagnate and food and gas and heating oil rise and rise and each month I had less and less disposable income. WIth gas at or above five bucks a gallon who in their right mind would run out and buy a car? Realy one should do at least a little research before makeing tea-party like statements. Lets add to the great debates and not drag them down to the level of children.

'not drag ... to the level of children...' as you just did.

Labor (as applied in MANUFACTURING a car is 10% of the process-in this you are right)

DIG deeper...

Labor (as applied in accounting when doing the books) accounts for a FAR larger portion of a corporations outlay and overhead. (more than you seem to realize).

I stand by my statements... (nor did I get this from fox or any other news show - I looked up information online).

Worse even than the accounting of labor vs corporate income is what Unions do to their own members...

They actually get more than the government in some cases. (can you say hidden tax).
We are discussing Union labor and that is ten percent of the cost of a new car period. I dont get it, the american standerd of liveing has been falling for years and the few institutoins that are trying to correct this get blasted by the right. I suppose some people wont be happy untill all of us work for a bowl of rice.

AdventureBegins's photo
Mon 11/01/10 09:12 AM




" If you recall america due to high gas prices almost lost GM and Chrystler. "

Poppyseeds...

The near loss of GM and Chrysler was a direct result of Unions.

1. More cars in the lots than Americans to buy them. (because of overproduction to placate Union job protectionism).

2. Cars on those lots were overpriced. (because of price indexing to recoup losses caused by paying Union wages - wages far in excess of the actual work being performed).


Realy? Labor only accounts for 10% of car production. google it. Ford has actualy increased the price of its line up. I suppose your knee jerk response isnt well thought out or researched. I stand by my statements that the rapid rise in fuel and food prices decimated the middle class. I lived it I know what happened. I watched my wages stagnate and food and gas and heating oil rise and rise and each month I had less and less disposable income. WIth gas at or above five bucks a gallon who in their right mind would run out and buy a car? Realy one should do at least a little research before makeing tea-party like statements. Lets add to the great debates and not drag them down to the level of children.

'not drag ... to the level of children...' as you just did.

Labor (as applied in MANUFACTURING a car is 10% of the process-in this you are right)

DIG deeper...

Labor (as applied in accounting when doing the books) accounts for a FAR larger portion of a corporations outlay and overhead. (more than you seem to realize).

I stand by my statements... (nor did I get this from fox or any other news show - I looked up information online).

Worse even than the accounting of labor vs corporate income is what Unions do to their own members...

They actually get more than the government in some cases. (can you say hidden tax).
We are discussing Union labor and that is ten percent of the cost of a new car period. I dont get it, the american standerd of liveing has been falling for years and the few institutoins that are trying to correct this get blasted by the right. I suppose some people wont be happy untill all of us work for a bowl of rice.

Union LABOR (i.e. wages)might be... Union 'perks' are a large and growing portion of an employeers 'overhead' (can be as much as 40% of gross revenue) ... I stand by my statements...

Dig deeper

Bestinshow's photo
Mon 11/01/10 02:18 PM





" If you recall america due to high gas prices almost lost GM and Chrystler. "

Poppyseeds...

The near loss of GM and Chrysler was a direct result of Unions.

1. More cars in the lots than Americans to buy them. (because of overproduction to placate Union job protectionism).

2. Cars on those lots were overpriced. (because of price indexing to recoup losses caused by paying Union wages - wages far in excess of the actual work being performed).


Realy? Labor only accounts for 10% of car production. google it. Ford has actualy increased the price of its line up. I suppose your knee jerk response isnt well thought out or researched. I stand by my statements that the rapid rise in fuel and food prices decimated the middle class. I lived it I know what happened. I watched my wages stagnate and food and gas and heating oil rise and rise and each month I had less and less disposable income. WIth gas at or above five bucks a gallon who in their right mind would run out and buy a car? Realy one should do at least a little research before makeing tea-party like statements. Lets add to the great debates and not drag them down to the level of children.

'not drag ... to the level of children...' as you just did.

Labor (as applied in MANUFACTURING a car is 10% of the process-in this you are right)

DIG deeper...

Labor (as applied in accounting when doing the books) accounts for a FAR larger portion of a corporations outlay and overhead. (more than you seem to realize).

I stand by my statements... (nor did I get this from fox or any other news show - I looked up information online).

Worse even than the accounting of labor vs corporate income is what Unions do to their own members...

They actually get more than the government in some cases. (can you say hidden tax).
We are discussing Union labor and that is ten percent of the cost of a new car period. I dont get it, the american standerd of liveing has been falling for years and the few institutoins that are trying to correct this get blasted by the right. I suppose some people wont be happy untill all of us work for a bowl of rice.

Union LABOR (i.e. wages)might be... Union 'perks' are a large and growing portion of an employeers 'overhead' (can be as much as 40% of gross revenue) ... I stand by my statements...

Dig deeper
How about a link to a relaible source? I cant find any data to support this at all. No big suprise there, its misconceptions that has this country totaly screwed over. The propagandist have won the day.