With God all things are possible.

Let's think about this a minute.

In the Middle Eastern Abrahamic religions God is said to judge people are the course of a single lifetime. One life, then you are judged for all eternity.

This is a very shallow picture if we take seriously the notion that with God, all things are possible.

Now imagine an Eastern Mystical view of God. Every soul is reincarnated based on its own karma. A soul lives out many lives. If it creates a bad karma by doing nasty things, then it lives out a life that forces it to see the error of its ways. As a soul continues to grow throughout these many lives, it finally realizes the way to salvation is through righteousness.

God is infinitely patient and time is not a factor for God.

In this type of creation there would be no need for any hell or even judgment. Judgment would be automatic via the souls own karma.

Every soul would eventually make it to nirvana (or heaven if you like), there would be no lost souls, it would be a system of 100% perfection. Every soul would eventually learn whatever lessons are required to see that evil tasks don't pay.

Now there's a system that is wise, efficient, and everyone ultimately wins. In fact, there can be no denying that such a system beats the single-life judgment systems by far. It's clearly a more intelligent and wiser scenario.

Therefore if we truly believe that our creator is all-wise, and infinitely powerful and patient, then why do we not all choose to believe in the most perfect spiritual picture of God.

Why do so many people continue to cling to a very unwise and inferior model of creation where people are judged based on a single lifetime and then cast into an eternal hell of damnation for not getting it right the first time through?

Moreover, the religions that preach this even claim that few will make it into heaven which means that this system of soul creation is extremely inept and inefficient.

Why would we think that our creator would create such an inefficient system of creating souls where most of the souls are lost the first time through?

The Eastern Mystical picture allows for all to be 'saved'. In fact there would be no reason at all for any souls to be 'lost'.

So if we truly want to believe in an all-wise, all-powerful God, then why aren't we all Eastern Mystics?

ive got to admit man, this idea is very interesting and sounds good. you make a great point but ive experienced God on a very personal level that is undeniable for me so i am confident and rooted in His word(Bible) and i know that everything written in the bible is true. when i see God face to face, i have many questions to ask him, if they are not answered in my lifetime. i know that God is just, faithful, and true so i know that whatever he does, he has a reason for that, even sending man to hell for unbelief. i often wonder about this myself but i know that i am not God and i dont have his wisdom so i dont have all the answers. i am so sure of Jesus because like i said many times, i have heard, felt him, and have him in me and it is flat out undeniable. i have read about the torments of hell, and i dont fully understand how a man can deserve to go there but i know that God has his reasons, and his reasoning is just.

But with this theory the world would eventually become over populated. For it would never "loose" population. One dies here and is reborn there. Then one is born and dies here but is reborn there. See the pattern? The world would evenutally become way over populated. Yes the world has gotten quite populated as of now, but it's not "over populated" as a whole.

Only if one was 'reborn' at the instant of 'death' would this premise be true.

But this is not the case. Time is not what we in our limited finite knowledge believe it to be.

Cowboy wrote:

But with this theory the world would eventually become over populated. For it would never "loose" population. One dies here and is reborn there. Then one is born and dies here but is reborn there. See the pattern? The world would evenutally become way over populated. Yes the world has gotten quite populated as of now, but it's not "over populated" as a whole.

I swear I have never met anyone in my entire life who has such a limited imagination as you do.

Why should Planet Earth be the only place where reincarnation can take place?

That's just utterly silly and truly limited thinking.

ive got to admit man, this idea is very interesting and sounds good. you make a great point but ive experienced God on a very personal level that is undeniable for me so i am confident and rooted in His word(Bible) and i know that everything written in the bible is true. when i see God face to face, i have many questions to ask him, if they are not answered in my lifetime. i know that God is just, faithful, and true so i know that whatever he does, he has a reason for that, even sending man to hell for unbelief. i often wonder about this myself but i know that i am not God and i dont have his wisdom so i dont have all the answers. i am so sure of Jesus because like i said many times, i have heard, felt him, and have him in me and it is flat out undeniable. i have read about the torments of hell, and i dont fully understand how a man can deserve to go there but i know that God has his reasons, and his reasoning is just.

Well, the utterly absurdity here is that the very reason we feel that life on Earth is less than perfect is because some people are suffering. If we didn't see any suffering around us, and didn't suffer ourselves, we'd believe we were already in heaven.

So the very thing that makes Earth "not heaven" is the fact that suffering exists.

Well, if a hell exists, then heaven truly wouldn't be any different from Earth. Suffering would continue to exist, the only difference is that the people in heaven wouldn't hear the NEWS, or have to watch the suffering going on.

So all heaven would basically amount to is nothing more than a bunch of snobs who have turned off their NEWS channels and just ignore the fact that suffering continues.

In that sense, eternal life wouldn't be any different from Earth, other than the people in heaven would simply be blinded to the suffering that continues to go on anyway.

Cowboy wrote:

And it's not specifically our father whom sends people to hell for their actions. That is merely a reaction. The one who really sends someone to hell is themselves with their actions through their lives knowing the consequence. Regardless if they believe in the consequence of not, they still know of it and is then responsible for the reaction that comes of that actions they take down to not believing.

You're the great one for always comparing God with a human father.

Well let's do that here.

You're the father. You can create two possible scenarios. One in which ALL of your children eventually learn to become great and righteous Gods just like you. You never lose a single solitary child. Every child your create ultimately grows to become a perfect God.

OR

You can choose to create a scenario where you're children get no second chances. They have a very brief confusing short life to "get it right" and if they fail to do so immediately you cast them into eternal damnation. In this system you have to watch the vast majority of your children fail and be condemned to the fiery furnace.

Would you honestly choose this second option if you were capable of doing anything at all, including this first option?

And if so, why?

Why would you choose the inferior method of creating new souls?

Cowboy wrote:

I believe the place is called the dictionary where the definitions of words are found.

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–noun
1.
the belief that the soul, upon death of the body, comes back to earth in another body or form.
2.
rebirth of the soul in a new body.
3.
a new incarnation or embodiment, as of a person.
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No, for heaven will be brought down and united with the earth once more and hell will be destroyed. So there will be no more suffering, no more pain. Will return to the ever lasting pure life it once was here.

Cowboy wrote:

That was already tried. And we are on the second chance. Our first chance was blown when Adam and Eve ate of the fruit. Now here is your second chance to show you are more worthy then they and are not disobedient such as they.

Well it's no wonder you believe in the Bible, you'll believe anything your read.

I don't care what your dictionary claims, we're talking about an UNLIMITED GOD.

Can you even begin to grasp such a lofty concept, or is this beyond your ability to comprehend?

With God ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE. God isn't restrained by your poor choice of dictionaries.

Your technical arguments against this are utterly foolish. I said at the onset that we're talking about a God for whom anything is possible and now you want to restrict God to just using planet Earth.

There will be tons of suffering and pain. Everyone who lost their loved ones to hell will be weeping. These fairy tales even have God weeping.

But in my scenario there's absolutely no need to any "chances". It's not that people are getting many "chances", it simply that they are allowed to evolve and grow until they become mature adults.

You need to stop thinking in terms of "chances". It's no longer about being judged. It's simply about growing to your full potential. No judging is even required in this process at all.

You can't get out of the box of a judgmental God. This isn't a judgmental system. It's just a system of evolution where everyone evolves perfectly in the end because they will have had an opportunity to have experience precisely why non-constructive behavior is undesirable for everyone including themselves.

It's a simple educational system where all the student ultimately must pass in the end, because the system is designed so that it cannot fail.

Remember, God is all-wise, and all-powerful, so there is no question that God can pull this off.

There is no limitation on what God can do. God has infinite patience and can out-wait even the most stubborn students, and the more stubborn they are, the harder their lessons become, until they finally realize that being selfish just isn't going to work.

No student can possibly fail this course. All children will ultimately graduate. Whatever time it takes. For God time is simply irrelevant. God is beyond time.

Cowboy wrote:

No but God would speak to us to where we would be able to understand. And if reincarnation were the case it would coincide with the definition we hold for it. And in the definition we hold for reincarnation you are reincarnated on earth over and over. Thus the population would never decrease, would only increase. Which would then lead to being over populated.

You're just being absurd.

An all-powerful God could use as many universes as he likes for his creation and he wouldn't need to be restrict by some stupid definition that YOU FOUND.