What is God's worth if humanity isn't worth anything?

We are but a meager speck of dust in this universe, when we die the universe doesn't flicker, blink, or shudder. If we ceased to exist the universe wouldn't bother, it would continue on without us, stars would continue to be created in space and planets would continue to move. Surely a God that creates the universe wouldn't look at us to carry on his name?

We aren't even worth the planet we currently destroy, and when we destroy this planet it won't even cause static in the universe...and yet again, the universe will not flicker, blink, or shudder.

What is our worth then?

For God it's all relative to the human being pondering the question. Personally for me, God isnt worth my time to really think about. For plenty of reasons, one of the most prominent being the fact that the bible is written by human hands.

The same goes for humanity. The tree, to the squirrel, is more important than the forest. Humanity to the humans who enjoy society/culture/civilization etc. find it important, so much so that some of them are willing to die to protect it. To these humans, humanity is worth everything. In my opinion these humans outnumber those who believe that we're not the most important beings on the planet.

It doesn't matter if God looks to us to carry on his name. Many people do. It's a fact of life. What boggles my mind is, how can an all knowing God who apparently can see the future, create a soul that he knows will one day wind up in hell to be tortured for eternity. What kind of God is that.

Our worth is relative. To you nothing. To the soldier coming home in a transfer case, humanity might have been worth what he died for.

I was speaking of our worth in the universe and how it relates to a God or many Gods. If God created man, there had to be a reason...I just think he would have created man to be more than a speck of dust in the universe if he truly found any worth in any of us.

Quite frankly...if there is a God...I have a hard time believing he cares in the slightest for us.

I tried pondering this on a smaller scale, e.g. What is my worth in this room, I couldn't really figure it out.

Are you religious at all?

No, not really. God is just too illogical for me to put any faith into it, but I do know a lot about religion.

Well... let me clarify one thing, we do have value in the sense of being organic matter, under the laws of conservation of mass and energy we have value (of course even this is very very small {1/100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000x100000000000000}) But in the case of God, a man made invention to promote order and fear to help emperors, kings and rulers of old to hold power and control their subjects, our inventions hold no value, especially when they are imaginary and hold absolutely no weight at all. ****, my imaginary friend BOSCO holds more weight than the abomination called today: GOD. So god holds NO VALUE.

This reminds me of the math question in first year MBA: how much did it cost God to create the world, expressed in net present value on the first Shabbath following the creation?

What you do is calculate the present value of the world at this moment, which is the sum of all precious metals and all energy in the entrie known world. The gold reserves, uranium, crude oil, buildings of man, ming vases, Cheop's Pyramid, the paintings hanging in the Pitti and the Uffici, everything, even the treasured in the buckingham palace and the life insurance policy of the Queen of England are all added in.

The worth of the world in my freshmen year was $5,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 dollars, give or take.

Then you take a constant inflation rate and cost of living increase per annum, take the larger of the two (but not both) for six thousand years, and calculate how much money the $5,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 dollars would be back 6.564 years before that. Or how much money would grow to this amount if you applied compound interest to it at a rate of 3.6 percent per annum, compounded monthly.

After much pushing of the slide rule, my result was 0.0003 dollars, that is, three one-hundredth of one cent. This was the total financial burden god had to put into creation, AT THE TIME of the creation.

Worth is meaning/value, we create it as we go.

Why would the love of the "universe" be important to you? Who would care if it didn't blink or shudder at your death and why would that mean that there was nothing afterward?

Answers to questions like "Is there a God?" and "Why are we here?" are unimportant to me. What matters to me are the questions themselves...independent of the answers. It is the questions themselves that seems to sustain me. It is no wonder then that I have put my "faith" in Science, because by it's very nature, is self-questioning and therefor it satisfies any "spititual" curiosity I may crave. And as far as finding worth in myself or others...I find no compeling reason to to attach that quality to anything in my existence. I find myself worthy simply because I say so...and so it is with all other beings and anything else I find deserving of my regard. This is the extent of the clarity I can bring to my position on this topic...but again, it's the mystery of what we call existance that for me does not always need a complete understanding.

whaf is our worth? we live to evolve and better your race , to change that kind of end to humanity, to become a better race , and go out into the universe and mutiply , yoy know that some time your body will die, so why do u not gO out and kill yourselves, the same , TO LIVE

Our universal worth is what we bring, consciousness(or help to bring it) to a seemingly unconscious process. This means we give meaning to everything. Plants and animals are also conscious, but on a different level.

We as humans that can perceive that which is above and beyond us define, attempt to understand, harness and even create that adds or subtracts from the whole. Obviously the good things we do add and bad subtract and even visa versa in some cases.

As we interact with the whole more and more, we bring different paths of evolutions that may not have been possible otherwise. Our consciousness adds to the whole in this way.

Did you take into account the new precious metals being produced by the stars?(e.g)Super Novas are how the heavy elements are created.

Valery, so there is no evil and we only work to do better and improve? I must disagree!

I feel like science has disproved "God" by its very nature. Look at all the wonders we see daily. Rationally do you think "God" would have put so much minute detail into the universe, if his agenda is to get us to worship him? If "he" wanted us to believe would not a
black expanse served better? Or Total Euphoria, no hunger, war, pain, disease, death? Laughable at best. On the first day, Man created God...

I consider your question and see beauty in the immensity of the universe. But then I realize that I am a part of the fabric of the universe. How does one assign worth comparing one part of the the universe from another? What exactly is it that dies?

I just want to share.


I joined this group in facebook called Philippine Atheism and Agnoticsm Society or PATAS. It is a society of fellow believers that can actually and openly express their thoughts to people with same belief. 2 years after I joined this group page, the members of the group TRIPLED! It is so amazing that people in my country are starting to independently decide what is realistic or mere fictions. I jut want to share my thoughts that if you are living in a Christian (or whatever religion) country, there is no hindrance for you to openly adrift yourself to the public that YES you are infact a rational person because you believe in empirical knowledge.

This is another stupid thread. Ive been cruising the forums and coming across Just, soo many. WE CREATED GOD, WE GAVE GOD MEANING!. Once we find the meaning for the universe(if any), we'll have given the universe meaning so the answer to your question?...We give ourselves meaning, and worth is subjective. Its all upto you.