Topic: ARE ALL LIES WRONG???
Cheer_up's photo
Sun 12/12/10 11:09 PM



Children are being forced to grow up so fast that I don't think things like that are bad. Imagination is a wonderful thing for children and everyone else too, they will find out soon enough that they are fables. But let the joy and wonder in a child's eyes last for more than 3 years. After that they are being thrown in Pre-school, pre- kindergarten, kindergarten and then the next 12 to 16 learning about life.
so you saying its ok to lie to kids at a young age then when they find out later it was a lie its ok ? so then i guess yo say some lies are ok and some are not? do you aggree?


Then I guess we better start burning books again because they are all filled with fiction and that means they are all lies. We wouldn't want anyone to read them and be lied to.... Telling children things that are FABLES that will help add to their imaginations as they get older is the way things get invented.... Think about it....if the Wright brothers were never told about Icarus' flight to the sun and melting his wings, do you think they would have bothered to try and make an airplane????


Fable | Define Fable at Dictionary.com
to speak falsely; lie: to fable about one's past. –verb (used with object) 10. to describe as if actually so; talk about as if true: She is fabled to be the natural ..fable is just another word for lie

msharmony's photo
Sun 12/12/10 11:11 PM

I am Curious on your comments about this cause in the Bible says thou shall not Lie now what do you think about Lies???



lies are not right, depending upon ones definition of lie

for me a lie is an intentionally(meaning the speaker knows its not true) dishonest statement

I dont think anything someone hasnt said is a lie(although it can be deceptive)

,,,having said that, I do believe intentionally speaking an untruth is wrong

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Sun 12/12/10 11:11 PM
Not to mention, if you take everything written in the Bible literally.. you would probably be going to Hell, Cheer, if you have ever slept with your girlfriend (fornication), or if you slept in the bed with her when she was having her period (unclean time for women to be around men) or if you sat in the same chair she did at that time (she is unclean and you are spreading the filth).

I forget the exact book but I know that it is in there.

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Sun 12/12/10 11:12 PM







I think those are harmless fairy tales.. Who is it hurting? It's a fun belief along with the Tooth Fairy and Easter Bunny... I don't see that it's an issue....
well its not the point of fairy tails its a point of is the person lieing to the kids at a young age and then when they get older they tell them not to lie?


NO it's not, it's a fairy tale.. See what Eileen said.. Life is not black and white.. There are many gray areas and the more people that realize that and accept it the more content/happy people we'll have in the world... Geez, get literal much??
don't ask me ask God its in the bible its not me saying not to lie its God right? all i ask if you think its ok to lie?


And I told you that I think there are circumstances where it is.. That was in my first post.. You keep giving different scenarios and I keep answering them..
ok then you disagree with the word of God? when he says thou shall not lie then? right? cause it can't be both ways like your yes yes and your no no :)


I think it can be.. I don't have to take things SO LITERALLY... I don't believe in seeing things as just one way or the other... I can have it any way I want it.. God gave me a mind that can think and sort things out.. I don't think he wanted people to be lemmings and if he did then call me a sinner b/c my mind won't let me do that..
i never called you a sinner i just said something that is very very clear in the bible and 1 of the 10 comanments too its not me its God i just quoting not judging

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Sun 12/12/10 11:12 PM

Not to mention, if you take everything written in the Bible literally.. you would probably be going to Hell, Cheer, if you have ever slept with your girlfriend (fornication), or if you slept in the bed with her when she was having her period (unclean time for women to be around men) or if you sat in the same chair she did at that time (she is unclean and you are spreading the filth).

I forget the exact book but I know that it is in there.


Yes but he's only talking about lies right now so the rest of the Bible doesn't count.... slaphead

Cheer_up's photo
Sun 12/12/10 11:14 PM


I am Curious on your comments about this cause in the Bible says thou shall not Lie now what do you think about Lies???



lies are not right, depending upon ones definition of lie

for me a lie is an intentionally(meaning the speaker knows its not true) dishonest statement

I dont think anything someone hasnt said is a lie(although it can be deceptive)

,,,having said that, I do believe intentionally speaking an untruth is wrong
i aggree with you so if a mother tell her kid that santa flying in the sky and bringing gifts to them and shes the speaker to the kid its a lie then right?

eileena9's photo
Sun 12/12/10 11:15 PM
A fable is a short, pithy animal tale, most often told or written with a moral tagged on in the form of a proverb. Thus to convey a moral is the aim of most fables, and the tale is the vehicle by which this is done, providing both an illustration of and compelling argument for the moral.

If you are going to quote a definition, hun please include the whole definition.

Cheer_up's photo
Sun 12/12/10 11:19 PM

Not to mention, if you take everything written in the Bible literally.. you would probably be going to Hell, Cheer, if you have ever slept with your girlfriend (fornication), or if you slept in the bed with her when she was having her period (unclean time for women to be around men) or if you sat in the same chair she did at that time (she is unclean and you are spreading the filth).

I forget the exact book but I know that it is in there.
offtopic we talking about lies not sleeping and fornication please keep on topic all i ask your opinion and you told me it now you going onto a diff topic and never slepted with a girl on her period but keep on topic you going all over the place

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Sun 12/12/10 11:25 PM
Edited by eileena9 on Sun 12/12/10 11:25 PM
You said God said that it isn't right if we tell any kinds of lies and that means you will lose out on Heaven.....BUT even if you don't tell lies and are going to LITERALLY take that statement/commandment there are other things that people do that will make them lose out according to the Bible.

I stated my beliefs just like Prncs did and you are telling us how wrong we are because we think different from the Bible.

Cheer_up's photo
Sun 12/12/10 11:27 PM

A fable is a short, pithy animal tale, most often told or written with a moral tagged on in the form of a proverb. Thus to convey a moral is the aim of most fables, and the tale is the vehicle by which this is done, providing both an illustration of and compelling argument for the moral.

If you are going to quote a definition, hun please include the whole definition.
Lie-to-childrenLie-to-children
A lie-to-children is an expression that describes the simplification of technical or difficult to understand material for consumption by children. The word "children" should not be taken literally, but as encompassing anyone in the process of learning about a given topic, regardless of age...


A lie-to-children is a lie, often a platitudePlatitude
A platitude is a trite, meaningless, biased, or prosaic statement that is presented as if it were significant and original. The word derives from plat, the French word for "flat." Whether any given statement is considered to have meaning is highly subjective, so platitude is often—but not...
, which may use euphemism(s)Euphemism
A euphemism is a substitution with an agreeable or less offensive expression in place of one that may offend or suggest something unpleasant to the receiver, or to make it less troublesome for the speaker, as in the case of doublespeak...
, which is told to make an adult subject acceptable to children. Common examples include "The stork brought you" (in reference to childbirth) and the existence of Santa ClausSanta Claus
Santa Claus is a folklore figure in various cultures who distributes gifts to children, normally on Christmas Eve. Each name is a variation of Saint Nicholas, but refers to Santa Claus...
, Tooth FairyTooth fairy
The legend of the Tooth Fairy is about a fairy that gives a child money or gifts in exchange for a baby tooth that has fallen out. Children typically place the tooth under their pillow at night. The fairy is said to take the tooth from under the pillow and replace it with money once they have...
or the Easter BunnyEaster Bunny
The Easter Bunny or Easter Hare is a character depicted as a rabbit bringing Easter eggs, who sometimes is depicted with clothes. In legend, the creature brings baskets filled with colored eggs, candy and sometimes also toys to the homes of children on the night before Easter...
.

eileena9's photo
Sun 12/12/10 11:31 PM
I Do not think it is bad to tell a child that Santa is real, as well as any of those other characters....it helps stimulate imagination and children need that.


If you feel different about that, that is your prerogative.


frustrated frustrated frustrated

Different strokes for different folks.

Cheer_up's photo
Sun 12/12/10 11:35 PM

You said God said that it isn't right if we tell any kinds of lies and that means you will lose out on Heaven.....BUT even if you don't tell lies and are going to LITERALLY take that statement/commandment there are other things that people do that will make them lose out according to the Bible.

I stated my beliefs just like Prncs did and you are telling us how wrong we are because we think different from the Bible.
yes but the topic is about lies and in the bible it says thou shall not lie and thats what the topic is about not other things and i not planing on going to heaven it says people with live forever on earth in the bible but thats a different topic again i not trying to get any upset but i was on 1 topic about lieing and God says thou shall not lie all lies does that mean? he does not say little lies are ok but big lies are not right?

TheCaptain's photo
Sun 12/12/10 11:36 PM
In the Bible, Jesus tells several perables. These are stories meant to teach a moral and/or spiritual value. Like the perable of the prodigal son, it told a story that conveyed the message that we are always within God's grace.

Taken literally, one could say that Jesus lied because the people in the parable never existed.

I think my point is clear on this???

Cheer_up's photo
Sun 12/12/10 11:40 PM

I Do not think it is bad to tell a child that Santa is real, as well as any of those other characters....it helps stimulate imagination and children need that.


If you feel different about that, that is your prerogative.


frustrated frustrated frustrated

Different strokes for different folks.
i guess your right some beleive when God says don't lie and bring your kids up in Lord and others say its ok to lie who care its not hurting no 1 but what i see is GOD CANNOT LIE and he tells us not too but we are imperfect but if you know its a lie and keep doing the same lie over and over is it right in Gods eyes you think?

TheCaptain's photo
Sun 12/12/10 11:44 PM
Well Cheer, when you have kids, you let us know how the whole truth at all cost thing works out for you.

And another thing, if you tell us that you never lie????? I think thats a lie as well.

eileena9's photo
Sun 12/12/10 11:45 PM
I went to Catholic school for eight years and our pastors would dress up as Santa Claus for the little kids....so if it was okay with them, it's okay with me.

Cheer_up's photo
Sun 12/12/10 11:45 PM

In the Bible, Jesus tells several perables. These are stories meant to teach a moral and/or spiritual value. Like the perable of the prodigal son, it told a story that conveyed the message that we are always within God's grace.

Taken literally, one could say that Jesus lied because the people in the parable never existed.

I think my point is clear on this???
did God give us the comandment of thou shall not lie?how more clear is that?

Cheer_up's photo
Sun 12/12/10 11:48 PM

Well Cheer, when you have kids, you let us know how the whole truth at all cost thing works out for you.

And another thing, if you tell us that you never lie????? I think thats a lie as well.
excuse me who said i never lie???????????? and i told my exgirlfriends kid the truth when he was young kids should be happy everyday not just christmass its so sad people only happy at christmass most of the time

Cheer_up's photo
Sun 12/12/10 11:51 PM

I went to Catholic school for eight years and our pastors would dress up as Santa Claus for the little kids....so if it was okay with them, it's okay with me.
then you know mathew chat 24 :) good scripture and i guess he told you about paridise on earth too? as art in heaven:)

TheCaptain's photo
Sun 12/12/10 11:51 PM


In the Bible, Jesus tells several perables. These are stories meant to teach a moral and/or spiritual value. Like the perable of the prodigal son, it told a story that conveyed the message that we are always within God's grace.

Taken literally, one could say that Jesus lied because the people in the parable never existed.

I think my point is clear on this???
did God give us the comandment of thou shall not lie?how more clear is that?


Okay. Did the prodigal son exist???