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i find it incredibly funny and sad that Americans are actually AGAINST universal health care...  I'm not against it, I'm against paying for it against my will...if i don't need it, why should i pay for it? it is just some bureaucrat with their get rich quick scheme. So if you don't pay for it, who IS going to pay for it when you all over in the street and go to the ER with a life-threatening illness that you didn't count on? Do you expect to be turned away if you're in so much pain you can't even stand? How civilized is that? As to the bureaurats reaping a whirlwind of profit, they're all in the insurance companies, opportunistically raising prices something like 40 % on the premise that a few years down the road it will cost more money if we don't do exactly what THEY say. People have to have car insurance in most states, and no one disputes that's a Good Idea (tm) except the wild-eyed uber-Libertarians who are against anything that offends their notion of their being a Society Of One. -Kerry O. |
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I don't agree with forced health care
I don't agree that a private insurance is a luxury and thereby taxable If they are going to do it, it should be an amount paid by the individual.....just like private industry and only if elected and they shouldn't have to pay a penalty if they don't want it........that is the way it should be And they have made their own voice loud and clear about that they want to reduce our rights we hold as citizens which I am against |
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Edited by
Fanta46
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Sat 12/18/10 10:54 AM
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OK
So when something real bad happens to you we should just let you die if you don't have insurance. Instead of "The Society." If a person is not smart enough or has enough money to afford insurance, Why should those who were smart enough and do have enough money to afford insurance pay for their medical care? We should just let their poor dumb ***** die? At least then, our medical costs won't keep doubling every 5 years. |
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What the hell is wrong with people?
Are they self centered, void of all compassion (humanity) and reason? I keep hearing the word forced. Should your health-care be free? Am I missing something or are you really that special? |
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i find it incredibly funny and sad that Americans are actually AGAINST universal health care... I'm not against it, I'm against paying for it against my will...if i don't need it, why should i pay for it? it is just some bureaucrat with their get rich quick scheme. So if you don't pay for it, who IS going to pay for it when you all over in the street and go to the ER with a life-threatening illness that you didn't count on? Do you expect to be turned away if you're in so much pain you can't even stand? How civilized is that? As to the bureaurats reaping a whirlwind of profit, they're all in the insurance companies, opportunistically raising prices something like 40 % on the premise that a few years down the road it will cost more money if we don't do exactly what THEY say. People have to have car insurance in most states, and no one disputes that's a Good Idea (tm) except the wild-eyed uber-Libertarians who are against anything that offends their notion of their being a Society Of One. -Kerry O. doctors and insurance are the biggest scams around nowadays. pharmaceuticals too. I'm not paying for a doctor to have 5 houses and ten cars, while prescribing drugs that are not necessary...if i need insurance, I'll get it. till then, I'm not paying for it. |
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OK So when something real bad happens to you we should just let you die if you don't have insurance. Instead of "The Society." If a person is not smart enough or has enough money to afford insurance, Why should those who were smart enough and do have enough money to afford insurance pay for their medical care? We should just let their poor dumb ***** die? At least then, our medical costs won't keep doubling every 5 years. Yep......if I don't want it and I don't want them to fix it why should they......why should you be forced to survive if you don't want to or why should someone be fixed to live a couple more days when its the eventuality anyways...........why can't those who wish to or chose to die be allowed to do so with dignity if they so chose (example Dr. Kavorkian) before they are so bad they can't make the choice and others chose for them......what is wrong with youth in asia? |
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Edited by
Fanta46
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Sat 12/18/10 11:35 AM
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Unfortunately their are a lot more who really can't afford insurance, some with children, who would want to survive a life threatening illness.
Humanity tells me to help these people. Reason tells me to do it as fairly and inexpensive as possible. The health-care in the US is almost bankrupt. Our care is not even close to the best. And we have millions who are not insured. They receive care at its most expensive mainly because they are receiving curative care instead of preventative. Read this, In advance of my appearance with Michael Moore on Countdown with Keith Olbermann tonight on MSNBC (8 and 11 p.m. ET), I would like to offer an apology to both Moore and his archenemy, the health insurance industry, which spent a lot of policyholder premiums in 2007 to attack his movie, Sicko. I need to apologize to Moore for the role I played in the insurance industry's public relations attack campaign against him and Sicko, which was about the increasingly unfair and dysfunctional U.S. health care system. (I was head of corporate communications at one of the country's biggest insurance companies when I left my job in May 2008.) And I need to apologize to health insurers for failing to note in my new book, Deadly Spin, that the front group they used to attack Moore and Sicko -- Health Care America -- was originally a front group for drug companies. Now a lot of my money is being spent, through lobbiest to the Republican Party, to fight a bill which will solve the problem. Sitting in Wash getting their pockets fat and living on (free) health-care, that we all pay for. Who the hell do they work for? Us or the health-care industry. What the heck, If the Repub Party tells Fox News and Fox News tells their viewing public that a Public Option is bad for America. They are "Americas News Channel" Then by-gosh, it must be true. I mean I knew that GDN was up to something. Psch, President my arse, psch,,, The Muslim freak. I'll just call him Hussein! LMAO That'll tick them liberals off, Dang Socialists.. |
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Unfortunately their are a lot more who really can't afford insurance, some with children, who would want to survive a life threatening illness. Humanity tells me to help these people. Reason tells me to do it as fairly and inexpensive as possible. The health-care in the US is almost bankrupt. Our care is not even close to the best. And we have millions who are not insured. They receive care at its most expensive mainly because they are receiving curative care instead of preventative. Read this, In advance of my appearance with Michael Moore on Countdown with Keith Olbermann tonight on MSNBC (8 and 11 p.m. ET), I would like to offer an apology to both Moore and his archenemy, the health insurance industry, which spent a lot of policyholder premiums in 2007 to attack his movie, Sicko. I need to apologize to Moore for the role I played in the insurance industry's public relations attack campaign against him and Sicko, which was about the increasingly unfair and dysfunctional U.S. health care system. (I was head of corporate communications at one of the country's biggest insurance companies when I left my job in May 2008.) And I need to apologize to health insurers for failing to note in my new book, Deadly Spin, that the front group they used to attack Moore and Sicko -- Health Care America -- was originally a front group for drug companies. Now a lot of my money is being spent, through lobbiest to the Republican Party, to fight a bill which will solve the problem. Sitting in Wash getting their pockets fat and living on (free) health-care, that we all pay for. Who the hell do they work for? Us or the health-care industry. What the heck, If the Repub Party tells Fox News and Fox News tells their viewing public that a Public Option is bad for America. They are "Americas News Channel" Then by-gosh, it must be true. I mean I knew that GDN was up to something. Psch, President my arse, psch,,, The Muslim freak. I'll just call him Hussein! LMAO That'll tick them liberals off, Dang Socialists.. |
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Who payed him to make the movie?
It damn sure wasn't the health-care industry, aiming to protect their profits. |
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Unfortunately their are a lot more who really can't afford insurance, some with children, who would want to survive a life threatening illness. Humanity tells me to help these people. Reason tells me to do it as fairly and inexpensive as possible. The health-care in the US is almost bankrupt. Our care is not even close to the best. And we have millions who are not insured. They receive care at its most expensive mainly because they are receiving curative care instead of preventative. Read this, In advance of my appearance with Michael Moore on Countdown with Keith Olbermann tonight on MSNBC (8 and 11 p.m. ET), I would like to offer an apology to both Moore and his archenemy, the health insurance industry, which spent a lot of policyholder premiums in 2007 to attack his movie, Sicko. I need to apologize to Moore for the role I played in the insurance industry's public relations attack campaign against him and Sicko, which was about the increasingly unfair and dysfunctional U.S. health care system. (I was head of corporate communications at one of the country's biggest insurance companies when I left my job in May 2008.) And I need to apologize to health insurers for failing to note in my new book, Deadly Spin, that the front group they used to attack Moore and Sicko -- Health Care America -- was originally a front group for drug companies. Now a lot of my money is being spent, through lobbiest to the Republican Party, to fight a bill which will solve the problem. Sitting in Wash getting their pockets fat and living on (free) health-care, that we all pay for. Who the hell do they work for? Us or the health-care industry. What the heck, If the Repub Party tells Fox News and Fox News tells their viewing public that a Public Option is bad for America. They are "Americas News Channel" Then by-gosh, it must be true. I mean I knew that GDN was up to something. Psch, President my arse, psch,,, The Muslim freak. I'll just call him Hussein! LMAO That'll tick them liberals off, Dang Socialists.. Then it should be done through a copay insurance policy and not a tax and those that chose not to have it still should not be forced to have it or pay for it and they shouldn't have medical care if they chose not to......simple as that...........and who are you fooling the deficxit will just continue to build. Because of socialistic programs like medical care and fsp and welfare and housing etc.....it will spiral this won't cut the deficit or stop anything from going bankrupt in a society that creates economy creates bills and billing instead of farming and producing and giving.....continually produce waste through government programs......this will change nothing it really won't .......the only way to make change it to completely change the way we live our lives period |
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Who payed him to make the movie? It damn sure wasn't the health-care industry, aiming to protect their profits. you did... and your doing it right now, just by talking about it...and it's not about who payed him to make it, it's about people paying to go see it...i would put some stock into it if it was a non proffit deal, but it wasn't so it was slanted to make him money... |
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Sign a paper refusing all health-care,
then I'd agree to that. (civilization might lose humanity) but everyone else would go public option. 
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Edited by
Fanta46
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Sat 12/18/10 11:51 AM
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Yeah,
we will just let the abscessed molar progress into brain rot and you die. Can we lock you away so the children won't see all the slowly dying people? Oh wait, that will become another cost,,, hmmmm, what to do, what to do? |
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Sign a paper refusing all health-care, then I'd agree to that. (civilization might lose humanity) but everyone else would go public option. funny thing is, it is not an option... |
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Who payed him to make the movie? It damn sure wasn't the health-care industry, aiming to protect their profits. you did... and your doing it right now, just by talking about it...and it's not about who payed him to make it, it's about people paying to go see it...i would put some stock into it if it was a non profit deal, but it wasn't so it was slanted to make him money... I didn't pay a penny to tell you that. and, anyone who payed for the movie didn't do it to protect their profits. and, they didn't pay politicians through lobbiest and, they did it by choice! Perhaps with an open, intelligent mind, to see both sides of the story, and judge the truth for themselves. |
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Who payed him to make the movie? It damn sure wasn't the health-care industry, aiming to protect their profits. you did... and your doing it right now, just by talking about it...and it's not about who payed him to make it, it's about people paying to go see it...i would put some stock into it if it was a non profit deal, but it wasn't so it was slanted to make him money... I didn't pay a penny to tell you that. and, anyone who payed for the movie didn't do it to protect their profits. and, they didn't pay politicians through lobbiest and, they did it by choice! Perhaps with an open, intelligent mind, to see both sides of the story, and judge the truth for themselves. i believe anyone that thinks they know the "truth" is just deluding themselves... |
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The FDA is responsible for cancers as well as other diseases....threw hormonal treatments.....feed policies creating mad cow disease etc. And pharmeceutical companies give medicines that create other issues.....the healthcare problem far deeper than universal healthcare its in the food dairy products and medicines given to society itself aznd politicians support this and are paid to do it threw that's right your lobbyist ahem which I believe Obama said something about ending or trying to place policies towards ending.....and lame duck sessions are supposed to unconstitutional so any bill they pass during lame duck ahem should be unconstitutional
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Edited by
Fanta46
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Sat 12/18/10 01:46 PM
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So if we can't fix the entire problem at once,
we should not fix any of it? Funny you should mention lobbying. When the Dems and Obama drew up legislation, and passed a bill, addressing lobbyist. The Republicans declared it unconstitutional and had Roberts and the other conservative Judges in the SC rule to give them more power. Now corp and lobbyist have more power to influence our countries policies. |
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So if we can't fix the entire problem at once, we should not fix any of it? Funny you should mention lobbying. When the Dems and Obama drew up legislation, and passed a bill, addressing lobbyist. The Republicans declared it unconstitutional and had Roberts and the other conservative Judges in the SC rule to give them more power. Now corp and lobbyist have more power to influence our countries policies. Oh you won't get me arguing their and if you are trying you are barking up the wrong tree since I see the crux of the problem as politicians not dem or repub.......you misconsture my points or even myself as being conservative I personally won't fight the DEM/REPUB fight I am just talking about Presidential campaign promises don't really care for Bush either and wish we could get The Patroit Act Repealed as well as I think it allows government to intrusively into the lives of the people....I am saying it will take more than health care to fix the bankruptcy of medical care and it starts with certain government agencies themselves......in essence I agree with ya here.....bet u just fell over bcs I am holding the feather |
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LOL
You're the one claiming Obama didn't try to keep his promise. Of course you wouldn't because that would mean admitting that your precious Repub Party is more concerned with corp's wants and wishes than the American people. If you admitted that then the whole house of cards would crumble and fall. Then, minds would reel with confusion from culture shock. |
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