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Topic: About Wisconsin
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Sat 02/19/11 11:41 AM
I am quite suspicious that it was prepared a long time before and they expected to intoduce it into a Democratic controlled house and Senate for quick 'reconcillation' and passage.
What's wrong with that?

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Sat 02/19/11 11:53 AM

I am quite suspicious that it was prepared a long time before and they expected to intoduce it into a Democratic controlled house and Senate for quick 'reconcillation' and passage.
What's wrong with that?

It has very little about what needs to be done to balance our budgets...

and a whole lot (from what I have been able to read so far) about continuing to spend funds that are non-existant, for stuff we don't really need.

The fact that it was more than likely pre-planned as much as a year ago (I have prepared such things - the size indicates as much as a 12 month prepration time)... that fact would indicate that it is not going to be flexible to the CHANGE that has occured since its 'planning'.

ergo it was not ment for the way things are but for the 'dream' of what someone thought they would be.

Sorta like Jimmy Carter believing that all those Iranians would become peaceful american loving citizens simply because HE thought that was the only way to be.

when a dream is pursued without thought of reality...

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Sat 02/19/11 12:35 PM
Edited by artlo on Sat 02/19/11 12:37 PM
Ahhh. You like the corporate model of government. Nimble, able to turn on a dime, built for putting out fires. The Constitution just wasn't written for that, I'm afraid. Constitutional Republics cannot be designed to operate that way. You want a Monarchy. Sorry.

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Sat 02/19/11 12:51 PM
The "budget repair bill" in Wisconsin is an obvious attempt at union busting.

Are states going broke? Yes.

Is our health care system a mess? Yes.

Do costs need to be controlled? Yes they do.

But throwing collective bargaining into the trash bin is not the answer.

I haven't heard the governor say any thing about taking a pay cut or paying more for his health care or pension benefits.

When the U.S. turns into a third world country with, no workers rights, a small wealthy ruling elite, polluted water and air, and masses of uneducated underfed poor, then maybe the right wingers will see that they are wrong.

A small cadre of over paid over fed business men do not make for a strong country. A large, well paid, well fed, well educated, upwardly mobile, middle class does.

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Sat 02/19/11 08:01 PM
Well educated?

What are the test scores of the students these teachers teach?

Just thought I might throw that in there.


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Sat 02/19/11 08:15 PM

As is so often the case, Wisconsin's largest public employee Unions are adjusting their protests in order to help resolve the impasse.
Top leaders of two of Wisconsin's largest public employee unions announced they are willing to accept the financial concessions called for in Walker's plan, but will not accept the loss of collective bargaining rights.


http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_a05349be-3be1-11e0-b0a1-001cc4c002e0.html


This proves that the bill is not designed to save Wisconsin money but more to destroy the Unions so corporations can gain more control over our government.

When will Tea Party supporters quit being patsies?

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Sun 02/20/11 08:09 AM

Well educated?

What are the test scores of the students these teachers teach?

Just thought I might throw that in there.




What do you think is going to happen to those test scores if affordable public education becomes a thing of the past?

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Sun 02/20/11 08:16 AM
What do you think is going to happen to those test scores if affordable public education becomes a thing of the past?
The same thing that happened to California's #1 public education system when Ronald Reagan convinced Californians that they shouldn't have to pay for it.

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Sun 02/20/11 08:29 AM

Ahhh. You like the corporate model of government. Nimble, able to turn on a dime, built for putting out fires. The Constitution just wasn't written for that, I'm afraid. Constitutional Republics cannot be designed to operate that way. You want a Monarchy. Sorry.

Ah but you are mistaken...

Our constitution was made for that...

We the People are quite flexible.

Corporation are not now nor have they ever been 'nimble' and 'able to turn on a dime'...

anything that has such a stiff, multilayered command structure (such as our government) will allways come up short when the poop hits the fan and quick action is necessary.


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Sun 02/20/11 08:31 AM


As is so often the case, Wisconsin's largest public employee Unions are adjusting their protests in order to help resolve the impasse.
Top leaders of two of Wisconsin's largest public employee unions announced they are willing to accept the financial concessions called for in Walker's plan, but will not accept the loss of collective bargaining rights.


http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_a05349be-3be1-11e0-b0a1-001cc4c002e0.html


This proves that the bill is not designed to save Wisconsin money but more to destroy the Unions so corporations can gain more control over our government.

When will Tea Party supporters quit being patsies?

When will the Union 'organizers' realise that Americans are done being patsy's...

If the 'collective' is not altered it will simply be used over and over again to put those 'concessions' back where they belong when the 'nation' is no longer focused on the situation.

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