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Topic: Do you think a 2nd Civil War in the United States could happ
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Sat 04/23/11 01:28 PM
AREN'T SEVERAL STATES ARE ALREADY WORKING ON BECOMING SOVEREIGN?

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Sat 04/23/11 01:32 PM

Its not going to happen.

The issues will be settled at the ballot box not in the streets.

I do agree with Artlo in that there will inevitably be some small scale skirmishes.

It won't be about toppling the government it will be more like environazis and their commie friends vs right wing nationalist types.

That I do see happening..



The shape the government is in right now, it could topple itself. That means, Obama would become a dictator. He has the power because the Bush administration gave the government that kind of power after 9-11 with the patriot act, martial law, etc. He is even going to have the power to shut down the Internet.


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Sat 04/23/11 02:41 PM
Wonder what would happen if, the peons in the US became the rebels that some Libyans have become.

Would the US rush to their aid to turn over a new Government?

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Sat 04/23/11 03:59 PM

Wonder what would happen if, the peons in the US became the rebels that some Libyans have become.

Would the US rush to their aid to turn over a new Government?


i don't think the US would give us weapons like they did for the libyans...

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Sun 04/24/11 09:32 AM
The question is how many Americans are willing to take a month off to protest to try to topple the government?

We have the Tea Party and a few other small ones, but it shows nothing at all.

Can a government fall with peaceful protests or doesn't it have to topple to violence achieve this goal?

Also what about the different ideas people have to run a government?

What is a perfect government that actually works for the people?

If you look at the Republicans they want less government and more privatization.

If you look at the Democrats they want a strong government that caters to the people's needs.

Which is right and which is wrong really determines on each individuals beliefs and needs doesn't it.


I thought I put this in for more food for thought and see if we can open up a dialogue on ideas that might work or even bring in new ideas that the government and the people never thought of.

What do you think the actual problem is and what solutions do you think can be done?

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Sun 04/24/11 09:53 AM

The question is how many Americans are willing to take a month off to protest to try to topple the government?

We have the Tea Party and a few other small ones, but it shows nothing at all.

Can a government fall with peaceful protests or doesn't it have to topple to violence achieve this goal?

Also what about the different ideas people have to run a government?

What is a perfect government that actually works for the people?

If you look at the Republicans they want less government and more privatization.

If you look at the Democrats they want a strong government that caters to the people's needs.

Which is right and which is wrong really determines on each individuals beliefs and needs doesn't it.


I thought I put this in for more food for thought and see if we can open up a dialogue on ideas that might work or even bring in new ideas that the government and the people never thought of.

What do you think the actual problem is and what solutions do you think can be done?




I think alot of the problems stem from looking to government to set the examples instead of being the example for the government to follow

we dont do well budgeting our own needs, we have a culture of glutton where most people have financial debts,, yet we expect a government which has none

we dont reach out nearly often enough to our neighbors or contribute in our communities, yet we expect our government to do it


we dont have utopias in our own home where EVERYONE has the same status and role, but we expect our government to figure out a way to do so with 300 million people


I think what needs to be done is to seperate our wants from our needs, and then to mandate a contribution(taxes) from everyone wishing to continue living in this country

I think we need to invest more in those things that create resources for peoples NEEDS to be met,

I think we have to change the 'culture' , of me into a culture of 'us',,,, before we can see any significant change in government


I am particularly impressed with a system they have in the netherlands, Where they have certain income caps and whenever someone reaches the cap they are required to employ someone else to do something(whether it be cleaning a home or keeping bus stool clean), and when that person reaches the cap they must employ someone


i think that type of system does plenty to prevent such a great DIVIDE between the 'haves' and the 'have nots', and the accompanying feelings of entitlement and superiority that seems to follow such large gaps

I also think we should stop being so full of ego about being the best country(in terms of not needing or being able to benefit from any other country) , and start collaberating with other countries instead of just trying to 'out do' them

when you want to learn how to budget your money, you turn to someone who is good at doing so,,, I think we need to swallow our pride and seriously look at other countries who seem to do well in areas where we are struggling and possibly emulate whatever it is they are doing

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Sun 04/24/11 11:56 AM
One thing the Philippines has is an employment bureau where all workers have to be registered in order to find a job. What this does is prevents foreigners from taking jobs from native citizens. It also prevents people from having 2 or 3 jobs while someone else has no job.

It's not an ideal system by any means, but given the situation in some parts of this country, it may be an idea worth looking into. We need to straighten ourselves out before allowing others to come in and reap the benefits.

I agree with Ms. Harmony about our culture. The sense of community has broken down in this country. We are becoming a nation of people living in fear. During the Great Depression, this was why FDR gave his famous speech. Too many were living in fear during that time because the economy was so poor, and there were already signs that war was looming ahead. We cannot afford to succumb to fear. This is why isolationism is not a good policy to follow. And yet, we have become isolationists in our own neighborhoods.

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Sun 04/24/11 08:22 PM


The question is how many Americans are willing to take a month off to protest to try to topple the government?

We have the Tea Party and a few other small ones, but it shows nothing at all.

Can a government fall with peaceful protests or doesn't it have to topple to violence achieve this goal?

Also what about the different ideas people have to run a government?

What is a perfect government that actually works for the people?

If you look at the Republicans they want less government and more privatization.

If you look at the Democrats they want a strong government that caters to the people's needs.

Which is right and which is wrong really determines on each individuals beliefs and needs doesn't it.


I thought I put this in for more food for thought and see if we can open up a dialogue on ideas that might work or even bring in new ideas that the government and the people never thought of.

What do you think the actual problem is and what solutions do you think can be done?




I think alot of the problems stem from looking to government to set the examples instead of being the example for the government to follow

we dont do well budgeting our own needs, we have a culture of glutton where most people have financial debts,, yet we expect a government which has none

we dont reach out nearly often enough to our neighbors or contribute in our communities, yet we expect our government to do it


we dont have utopias in our own home where EVERYONE has the same status and role, but we expect our government to figure out a way to do so with 300 million people


I think what needs to be done is to seperate our wants from our needs, and then to mandate a contribution(taxes) from everyone wishing to continue living in this country

I think we need to invest more in those things that create resources for peoples NEEDS to be met,

I think we have to change the 'culture' , of me into a culture of 'us',,,, before we can see any significant change in government


I am particularly impressed with a system they have in the netherlands, Where they have certain income caps and whenever someone reaches the cap they are required to employ someone else to do something(whether it be cleaning a home or keeping bus stool clean), and when that person reaches the cap they must employ someone


i think that type of system does plenty to prevent such a great DIVIDE between the 'haves' and the 'have nots', and the accompanying feelings of entitlement and superiority that seems to follow such large gaps

I also think we should stop being so full of ego about being the best country(in terms of not needing or being able to benefit from any other country) , and start collaberating with other countries instead of just trying to 'out do' them

when you want to learn how to budget your money, you turn to someone who is good at doing so,,, I think we need to swallow our pride and seriously look at other countries who seem to do well in areas where we are struggling and possibly emulate whatever it is they are doing


I think that is a great start of ideas to implement to our citizens, but how can we do this exactly to make it happen? Perhaps great speeches like actionlynx was mentioning when FDR did it in the Great Depression.

Education maybe in our classrooms including colleges. Maybe the Unions and Religious organizations should participate somehow to change the shift of our nation. Congress and even the smaller parties we never hear about to each give an education on how we as a people should or can be to improve the healthiness of our nation.

I like that idea of Netherland also and it should be voted on to see if it can be done here.

I also like the idea of the Philippines and certainly some states should look into it like Florida, California, and Texas.

These are good ideas! You see we do have Americans with great ideas....just why aren't we doing it? Why can't we implement them to actually make them work for the better of the people?

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Sun 04/24/11 08:32 PM



The question is how many Americans are willing to take a month off to protest to try to topple the government?

We have the Tea Party and a few other small ones, but it shows nothing at all.

Can a government fall with peaceful protests or doesn't it have to topple to violence achieve this goal?

Also what about the different ideas people have to run a government?

What is a perfect government that actually works for the people?

If you look at the Republicans they want less government and more privatization.

If you look at the Democrats they want a strong government that caters to the people's needs.

Which is right and which is wrong really determines on each individuals beliefs and needs doesn't it.


I thought I put this in for more food for thought and see if we can open up a dialogue on ideas that might work or even bring in new ideas that the government and the people never thought of.

What do you think the actual problem is and what solutions do you think can be done?




I think alot of the problems stem from looking to government to set the examples instead of being the example for the government to follow

we dont do well budgeting our own needs, we have a culture of glutton where most people have financial debts,, yet we expect a government which has none

we dont reach out nearly often enough to our neighbors or contribute in our communities, yet we expect our government to do it


we dont have utopias in our own home where EVERYONE has the same status and role, but we expect our government to figure out a way to do so with 300 million people


I think what needs to be done is to seperate our wants from our needs, and then to mandate a contribution(taxes) from everyone wishing to continue living in this country

I think we need to invest more in those things that create resources for peoples NEEDS to be met,

I think we have to change the 'culture' , of me into a culture of 'us',,,, before we can see any significant change in government


I am particularly impressed with a system they have in the netherlands, Where they have certain income caps and whenever someone reaches the cap they are required to employ someone else to do something(whether it be cleaning a home or keeping bus stool clean), and when that person reaches the cap they must employ someone


i think that type of system does plenty to prevent such a great DIVIDE between the 'haves' and the 'have nots', and the accompanying feelings of entitlement and superiority that seems to follow such large gaps

I also think we should stop being so full of ego about being the best country(in terms of not needing or being able to benefit from any other country) , and start collaberating with other countries instead of just trying to 'out do' them

when you want to learn how to budget your money, you turn to someone who is good at doing so,,, I think we need to swallow our pride and seriously look at other countries who seem to do well in areas where we are struggling and possibly emulate whatever it is they are doing


I think that is a great start of ideas to implement to our citizens, but how can we do this exactly to make it happen? Perhaps great speeches like actionlynx was mentioning when FDR did it in the Great Depression.

Education maybe in our classrooms including colleges. Maybe the Unions and Religious organizations should participate somehow to change the shift of our nation. Congress and even the smaller parties we never hear about to each give an education on how we as a people should or can be to improve the healthiness of our nation.

I like that idea of Netherland also and it should be voted on to see if it can be done here.

I also like the idea of the Philippines and certainly some states should look into it like Florida, California, and Texas.

These are good ideas! You see we do have Americans with great ideas....just why aren't we doing it? Why can't we implement them to actually make them work for the better of the people?


i don't think speeches are going to solve anything, people are tired of the talk... maybe the next president will have some balls, and start trying to help the nation instead of taking about it and doing nothing...

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Sun 04/24/11 08:34 PM
I hope so to!

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Sun 04/24/11 08:37 PM

I hope so to!


me too... the last two presidents just really sucked...

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