Topic: Let's talk about the problem...
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Tue 07/19/11 05:59 PM



And how does this relate to America?



It doesn't. It's the same old righwing baffleyap playing bait and switch. What's ironic is that it's conservatives who love forced conformity more than anyone. If they can't assimilate something, it's targeted with xenophobia and the out group becomes part of their "Us or Them" strategy. It's been that way even before Viet Nam and probably always will be until the country is bled dry by the cost of maintaining standing armies fighting constant foreign wars.

And BTW, righties, read what the authors of the Constitution and the Federalist papers thought of standing armies before people of treasonous/dangerous speech.

-Kerry O.


Interesting.

It relates to the OP. A call to the proletariat to rise up and end the abuses of capitalism.

It also relates directly to the post that I quoted when I referenced Einstein.

After reading your drivel, it seems that you are the one that attempts a bait and switch.

Interestingly enough, wars waged by democrats have cost America hundreds of thousands of lives, yet you are implying that it is conservatives that demand standing armies.

I could be wrong, but the only time in human history an atomic weapon was dropped on civilian targets was by a democrat.

You leftists hide behind your mask of social righteousness, but when the truth be told you are nothing more than a bunch of hypocrites.

Where are your anti-war marches now, you troglodytes?

Oh... there is a democrat in the white house..






Republicans ended the draft. End of discussion.

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Tue 07/19/11 05:59 PM
"Any power must be an enemy of mankind which enslaves the individual by power and by force, whether it arises under the Fascist or the Communist flag. All that is valuable in human society depends upon the opportunity for development accorded to the individual."


For a mathematical genius, he was socially retarded. Today's capitalism is no less a form of involuntarily enslavement than was Fascism or Communism - just of a different shape.


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Tue 07/19/11 06:23 PM

"Any power must be an enemy of mankind which enslaves the individual by power and by force, whether it arises under the Fascist or the Communist flag. All that is valuable in human society depends upon the opportunity for development accorded to the individual."


For a mathematical genius, he was socially retarded. Today's capitalism is no less a form of involuntarily enslavement than was Fascism or Communism - just of a different shape.




In what way is capitalism involuntary enslavement?

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Tue 07/19/11 06:34 PM
Spider, no offense, but Capitalism is globalization.

Please watch this video, it is 53 minutes. It will tell you about Indonesia. This country should not be poor. But the gap between the rich and the poor is a result of this thing called globalization.

http://www.teachpeace.com/thenewrulers.htm

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Tue 07/19/11 06:36 PM

Spider, no offense, but Capitalism is globalization.

Please watch this video, it is 53 minutes. It will tell you about Indonesia. This country should not be poor. But the gap between the rich and the poor is a result of this thing called globalization.

http://www.teachpeace.com/thenewrulers.htm


No offense, but I'm not going to watch that. I can look at Hong Kong or Taiwan for an example of what capitalism can do. I don't need propaganda, the real world trumps theories every day. Thanks for the suggestion, but no thanks.

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Tue 07/19/11 06:53 PM
The real world involves fact. The real world involves decisions, some of which are based upon fact, and some of which are not. Let's look at this nation for an example of what capitalism has done.

The moral enslavement that comes from having individual moral value decisions legitimized.

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Tue 07/19/11 07:01 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Tue 07/19/11 07:02 PM


Spider, no offense, but Capitalism is globalization.

Please watch this video, it is 53 minutes. It will tell you about Indonesia. This country should not be poor. But the gap between the rich and the poor is a result of this thing called globalization.

http://www.teachpeace.com/thenewrulers.htm


No offense, but I'm not going to watch that. I can look at Hong Kong or Taiwan for an example of what capitalism can do. I don't need propaganda, the real world trumps theories every day. Thanks for the suggestion, but no thanks.


The news you watch on Fox is propaganda. CNN is propaganda.
This film is a documentary about a single country and this same thing happens in many countries. If you want to remain ignorant that is your choice.

Unless you are one of the filthy rich, you should be concerned about what is happening across the globe because it could happen here.... to you.

Learn what capitalism is. It is the world bank, it is big business. It is not small business.



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Tue 07/19/11 07:16 PM

The news you watch on Fox is propaganda. CNN is propaganda.


Good thing I don't watch either one.


Learn what capitalism is. It is the world bank, it is big business. It is not small business.


What you are talking about is crony capitalism, which is a form of fascism. I'm talking about real capitalism, where the Government doesn't overburden small businesses. Hong Kong is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. Most of their businesses are small businesses. The big guys can't compete with a small business that is unfettered with regulations. Who can cook better, some slob at McDonalds or some old grandma who has been cooking her whole life? I want to see McDonalds try to compete with anything my grandmother or mother cooked. Whose going to react to changes in consumer demands faster: Best Buy or a small mom and pop shop? Take the 29% taxes off the mom and pop...drop it down to say 10%. Take off the majority of the regulations and red tape and you'll see the big guys getting trounced.

We live in a society where the cable companies help write the regulations for starting a new cable company. Same with tires. Same with restaurants. Look at GE! They helped write the green energy laws and because of that, they were able to make the laws so favorable to GE, that GE paid 0 taxes last year. Let's build a wall of separation between companies and Government and you'll see a different America over night.

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Tue 07/19/11 07:19 PM
Hong Kong is a perfect example


Yes, Hong Hong, which has the highest disparity of wealth in the first world. Not my idea of a good economy.

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Tue 07/19/11 07:21 PM
I'm all for small business.

But the truth of the matter is, large corporations buy politicians, bribe people, lobby for what they want, etc.

I don't think it is possible to separate money from politics.


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Tue 07/19/11 07:24 PM

Hong Kong is a perfect example


Yes, Hong Hong, which has the highest disparity of wealth in the first world. Not my idea of a good economy.


That's because of the ridiculous number on immigrants coming into the country, not because of their economy.

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Tue 07/19/11 07:24 PM

I'm all for small business.

But the truth of the matter is, large corporations buy politicians, bribe people, lobby for what they want, etc.

I don't think it is possible to separate money from politics.




There are ways. Term limits would be a great start. Sunshine laws and transparency laws would help a great deal.

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Tue 07/19/11 07:28 PM
That's because of the ridiculous number on immigrants coming into the country, not because of their economy.
No it isn't It's because unregulated and poorly taxed business always leads to the concentration of wealth in a few hands

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Tue 07/19/11 07:31 PM
Republicans ended the draft. End of discussion.


Hardly. And you think that's a good thing. Do you hold stock in Blackwater?

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Tue 07/19/11 07:37 PM

"Any power must be an enemy of mankind which enslaves the individual by power and by force, whether it arises under the Fascist or the Communist flag. All that is valuable in human society depends upon the opportunity for development accorded to the individual."


For a mathematical genius, he was socially retarded. Today's capitalism is no less a form of involuntarily enslavement than was Fascism or Communism - just of a different shape.




He wasn't talking about the differences between capitalism and communism.

He was talking about the difference between forced collectivism and free-willed individualism.


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Tue 07/19/11 07:46 PM

Hong Kong is a perfect example


Yes, Hong Hong, which has the highest disparity of wealth in the first world. Not my idea of a good economy.


Hong Kong doesn't have the highest disparity in the first world. In most cases, Hong Kong's legal immigrants must either be very wealthy or highly skilled. Which means they will earn more money and make the disparity greater.

Their unemployment rate is currently 3.4%, which sounds pretty damn nice right now.

The problem their poor have is the large number of illegal immigrants coming to Hong Kong, who are used as cheap labor by businesses. It's driving down the wages. The problem isn't too much capitalism in Hong Kong, it's too little capitalism in Asia.

Their poverty level is somewhere between 11% and 18%, which puts them on par with the US. They are far more free economically than the US, so if you want to blame poverty on Capitalism, then you have to explain why two CAPITALIST countries who are so dissimilar economically can have such similar poverty levels.

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Tue 07/19/11 07:47 PM

Republicans ended the draft. End of discussion.


Hardly. And you think that's a good thing. Do you hold stock in Blackwater?


That the draft was ended?... Hmmm...do I favor slavery or freedom. That's a tough one. laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

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Tue 07/19/11 07:55 PM
That the draft was ended?... Hmmm...do I favor slavery or freedom. That's a tough one


Hmmm do I favor spoiled Americans leaching off the freedoms that others have fought and sacrificed for, or do I think that patriotic citizens should share in at least some service to their country? That's a tough one.

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Tue 07/19/11 08:00 PM
Their poverty level is somewhere between 11% and 18%


poverty level is not a measure of wealth disparity. You want to be looking at comparitive GINI. It's a sophisticated mathematical model that real economists use to measure wealth disparity.

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Tue 07/19/11 08:13 PM

That the draft was ended?... Hmmm...do I favor slavery or freedom. That's a tough one


Hmmm do I favor spoiled Americans leaching off the freedoms that others have fought and sacrificed for, or do I think that patriotic citizens should share in at least some service to their country? That's a tough one.


So you would support slavery? Just like a leftist. Freedom is the most important thing, unless you want to take it from someone.