if you read an insult to women where two men are addressing each other, you have way too much time on your hands. of course society has placed roles for men and women, and some people are comfortable and some bend the rules. what about women from other countries that come to america with their own customs. i can hear it now, "oh no girlfriend, in america you have rights"
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(parts of the previous posts contain a feeble attempt at humor)

Yea but only one is standing up for a foul against women all others are making excuses to allow it to continue.

Enabling is a curse for women, for real.

It is an insult for the men even if they are joking and it is derogatory to women to be referenced in such a way. As though they are less than a man at any level.

I have no evidence of anything 'foul' beyond the op wondering if something they witnessed may have been degrading to women,,,

and Im genuinely curious why there is an assumption that I dont 'stand up' for myself?


I dont find every little thing worth the effort of a confrontation or a fight, but I certainly stand up for myself wherever I feel its necessary or fruitful to do so.


I would say, to refer to another thread, from one who does not think one verse in the bible can change what the rest of the bible says,,

how does me saying I believe in Genesis or submitting to a christian husband change what the REST of my words and behaviors indicate throughout this forum

that I certainly DO NOT allow anyone to degrade me nor do I feel less than anyone,,,

that's gay
(where does this statement fit in? degrading to men, women, both? are straight men and women above all gays)

we arent supposed to use slang like gay or retarded anymore to refer to people who are behaving with characteristics we associate with being gay or retarded

so, thats gay, is offensive to some people from both genders and across sexual preference lines,,

You have stated you are less than a man and less than a person with a degree. I just said sad but not me.

And you are making excuses with failed analogies on this thread for a foul reference to women being less than a man.

But you have the right to feel less than and to make excuses.

But I do not think that it is okay to have men do this and it not be called out and let them and women know that it shouldn't happen. It shouldn't even be thought in their minds that being womanly means less than a man otherwise it will show itself in other places in life that will make a woman feel bad about herself.

I have stated none of this,, so I guess we have an unorthodox agreement.

Thats gay is another one that is degrading to gays. It implies gay as bad. So yes it does imply hetero is good and gay is bad.

Not a good thing and shouldn't be allowed or if said needs to be called and addressed.

So, when my gay brother says he thought someone was 'gay', because of how he carried himself

would it be degrading on his part to say that person seemed 'gay'?

or for someone else to say that person acted 'gay'?


I think there is no absolute intent that applies to all cases,, I would say my brother would certainly not mean the word 'gay' as derogatory but as an expression of certain behaviors he associates with himself and the crowd he hangs out in,,,

or what about a certain show that made a few gay males plenty of money called 'queer eye for the straight guy'

there is certainly an indication that there is one observation of what constitutes 'queer' and another of what constitutes 'straight'

without any particular reference to one being better than the other

Oh do I get tired sometimes....

Not even the same analogy again.

The reference is to that usage of "that is gay" by straight people referring to something as being bad, not right, etc... and in that context it is derogatory to gay people.

Gay folks naturally would not do this as it would be derogatory to themselves.

it is the same analogy IF THE CONTEXT of those saying it(which cant be determined merely by their BIOLOGY) is the same

I would have to see and hear the context of the conversation to decide it was meant as an insult or not,, I dont ASSUME it is because one is straight or gay or male or female, etc,,,

Tiring really....

No it is not the same analogy at all. It is straight kids using the terminology of "that is gay" to refer to what they consider not good. It is derogatory to gay folks and it doesn't have anything to do with what gay folks say about each other.

There is no context here except gay=bad.

thats an awful bigoted view, that because of someones sexual preference they cant POSSIBLY mean something in the same context as someone who is of another sexual preference

I dont have such preconceived ideas ,, but to each their own

its like assuming every white person who says the n word means it as an insult, and cant possibly be meaning it the same way as their black neighbors and friends mean it,,,

Just like there is no "context" to consider in men insulting each other by referring to themselves as women.

When they are training for football and they refer to the team as ladies they mean they are the scum of the earth in training to be better.

In the service when they refer to the squad as a bunch of school girls they mean they are the scum of the earth in training to be something better.

When they refer to each other as ladies when they are together it is an insult even when joking.

It shows that at some level in their minds women are less than them. Otherwise they would not insult each other with those words.

Tiring....

for real...

It is not the same analogy.

It would be the same analogy if you referenced whites who use it in a negative way because that is how the kids mean the "gay" reference. Gay folks would not use it in this manner even jokingly because it is very derogatory to themselves and they do not think of being gay as being bad.

no one degrades me

and honestly no one needs to tell me what my choices are

I'd consider it to be more degrading to have someone say that I was mannish because I take pride in my femininity

and yes I suppose there can be times when men speak in a derogatory way toward women but usually they do not IME

this all makes me curious about where u fins these demon men u speak of????

and I have heard plenty of male bashing too on here & IRL - point being that we should not be degrading anyone for any reason - male or female

I don't even think men realize the misogyny of this society sometimes. But it is up to women to defend themselves in order to stop it. If they are not willing or are so used to it that they will just keep allowing, ignoring/accepting it, it will never end.

Men referring to other men as women meaning it as an insult is insulting to women, there is no way around it.

This is not male bashing anyway. It is male awareness for both men and women.

that is not necessarily a correct statement

equality is not measured in ability

but in respect

i am not as good as a major league ball player...so if one of them say you play like adj4u they may be right...

but that does not mean they think they are superior as a human in general

just a thought

but hey

what do i know