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I agree the US remains quite different from other countries and people, in the fact that they can disagree about certain issues and still remain friends and colleagues while on another level agreeing on other issues. In the US, we do not have to turn in a few, or be held accountable for what they do. just because they do not hand over an accused doesnt make another guilty, and accused doesnt on any level mean guilty. So, please do not misplace your governmental views and mind sets and apply to a country or protestors that do not fit within your parameters.
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The question is if the ne’er-do-well Occupy Everything Goons would defend the nation as the “Marine” claims he had done. The truth is that none of these OEG have done anything for the country except defecate in public, grope pedestrians and cause a nuisance of themselves. The hierocracy of their goals is most manifest in their demands. They claim to be against the big corporations because they were bailed out by the government and in the same breath demand that they be given a free education. As far as I am concerned is the only free education these hypocritical vagrants deserve is a swift kick in their posteriors and a year of hard labor drilling for black gold in the ANWR in the Alaskan winter. This also fulfils one of their demands that they be given a job. We kill two birds with one stone. Listening to one of the protestors talking about the bourgeoisie and the proletariat harkened be back to the ramblings of Marx, Engels, and Lenin attempts to show the whole history of mankind as a struggle between the classes. This openly courting of class warfare by the OEG is at its very core against the nature of man. They continual waiting for the “New Communist Man” who would embody the ethos of the state never materialized as man will be man and any successful society works with Man’s nature not against it. They cultivate of a mood of class envy and justify that envy and provoke that envy to hatred and rage against the productive. But this is just another way of cutting one’s nose to spite one’s face. It is the productive who create jobs and pay taxes. So we have seen revolutions in Libya and Egypt which we now see as just going from bad to worse. They claim to want democracy yet their understating of democracy was very different from what we consider what democracy is. For Egypt and Libya an Islamic Caliphate is democracy. Did not every communist country of Eastern Europe call themselves a democratic or people’s republic of some sort? For them the Dictatorship of the Proletariat was democracy. Of course all other political parties were summarily banned and only the Communist Party which was the party of the proletariat was allowed to stand in any election. Anyone remember the speech by Dennis Healey in which he promised as the Labour Minister to “squeeze the rich until the pips squeaked”? Well the juice ran out of the economy. The rich merely moved their money out of the UK to safer zone for investment, unemployment rose, and the UK had to hat in had beg for a bailout from the IMF. Where the heck do you think the USA would have to go to beg or a bailout when the rich just pack money into their bags and make their getaway? When the FedGov needs a bailout, the Federal Reserve board will print up a few trillion dollars for them. As long as the dollar continues to be the world's primary reserve currency, foreign credit holders will have to eat their losses (incurred by inflation). This will also result in a credit squeeze domestically. Prices for everything will go up. (Hopefully, this crisis will force the withdrawl of military forces from around the world back home) There will definitely be short term (though the "short term" could be years) pain as long as current policy doesn't change significantly. |
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I agree the US remains quite different from other countries and people, in the fact that they can disagree about certain issues and still remain friends and colleagues while on another level agreeing on other issues. ??? A unique US phenomena? Perhaps its something in the water that is drunk in the US enables this "getalonginess"? I just have to wonder how they get along in other countries. Maybe those individuals are drinking water exported from the US? ??? In the US, we do not have to turn in a few, or be held accountable for what they do. just because they do not hand over an accused doesnt make another guilty, and accused doesnt on any level mean guilty. No but in essence not turning a known criminal in can be construed as being in agreement with the actions of the criminal. Creating a situation which would provide a cover for such criminals can is abetting. Stoning or assaulting LE personnel, relieving oneself in public, trespassing, groping passes by, are all crimes. The mob provides the cover for the crimes. So, please do not misplace your governmental views and mind sets and apply to a country or protestors that do not fit within your parameters. ??? ??? What governmental views? Like the Presidential-congressional system vs. the New Westminister System vs. Fifth Republic model? Republic vs. Dominion vs Confederacy? ??? ??? Protesters can protest to their heart's content as long as they do not commit criminal acts. But that is not what the extremist left-wing protests do. The commit acts of violence, destroy public and private property, and commit other crimes to numerous to provide an exhaustive list. |
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Edited by
DeusImperator
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Wed 10/26/11 10:00 PM
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When the FedGov needs a bailout, the Federal Reserve board will print up a few trillion dollars for them. As long as the dollar continues to be the world's primary reserve currency, foreign credit holders will have to eat their losses (incurred by inflation). This will also result in a credit squeeze domestically. Prices for everything will go up. (Hopefully, this crisis will force the withdrawl of military forces from around the world back home) There will definitely be short term (though the "short term" could be years) pain as long as current policy doesn't change significantly. Agreed. However, you are going to see holders of the US dollar slowly wean away from the currency as many countries started to do. But with the the crisis in the EU (should say Greece, Spain and Italy in particular), many are rethinking the holding a larger percentage of the Euro instead. No one is going to dump the US currency as it would immediately devalue the currency. Internally, though expect as you have stated at higher inflation as prices rise in which will have a co-relation to the amount being printed, but can be tempered if the economy grows. The growth in the economy has been able minimize the impact of this practice which has been going on for 40 years. But a stagnant economy combined with a pessimistic outlook could very well let perils of this practice catch up. |
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Edited by
Seakolony
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I agree the US remains quite different from other countries and people, in the fact that they can disagree about certain issues and still remain friends and colleagues while on another level agreeing on other issues. ??? A unique US phenomena? Perhaps its something in the water that is drunk in the US enables this "getalonginess"? I just have to wonder how they get along in other countries. Maybe those individuals are drinking water exported from the US? ??? In the US, we do not have to turn in a few, or be held accountable for what they do. just because they do not hand over an accused doesnt make another guilty, and accused doesnt on any level mean guilty. So, please do not misplace your governmental views and mind sets and apply to a country or protestors that do not fit within your parameters. ??? ??? What governmental views? Like the Presidential-congressional system vs. the New Westminister System vs. Fifth Republic model? Republic vs. Dominion vs Confederacy? ??? ??? Protesters can protest to their heart's content as long as they do not commit criminal acts. But that is not what the extremist left-wing protests do. The commit acts of violence, destroy public and private property, and commit other crimes to numerous to provide an exhaustive list. But they are not criminals until proven criminals....and accusations a criminal does not make until verdict given in a court and trail by law....and even after that evidence has proven some innocent in the aftermath.....so do not place guilt upon those not proven guilty....and no I did not say that it did not occur in other countries just that you can fight side by side for something you believe in even next to criminals.......the laws are decided by a majority of society.....doesnt make the majority correct all the time |
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I know some out there involved fully in these protests and they are NOT goons and thugs!! How riduculous to assume ALL who are angry with the state of our world and the pitiful job our government has done as goons and thugs!! Such sillyness! Just because you claim to know some of them are not goons and thugs you make a generalization that they are not goons and thugs, yet this flies in the face of reality with several criminal complaints being brought up against the participants. As for the state of the world it was created by the people of the very same mindset as the Occupy Everything Goons. What have the OEG demanded? Free education, cheap housing, jobs which they like, more political clout sounds like entitlement built on the hard work and toils of others who are more productive than these reprobates. We nned only to look at Greece which since the 1960 has been providing every entitlement they can think of under a series of socialist parties to buy votes. The government created free government jobs where the average Greek only came in to work 3 days a week! 37% of the workforce was public. So now as the entitlements are being rolled back teachers, unions, students are taking to the streets committing arson, vandalism, etc. Just like the Islamists, the Left is given into due to the always present threat of violence. Obviously, if the Marine hadn't have seen the protestors attacked without provocation, then he wouldn't have done what he did. There must have been something, to produce the reaction he gave. There had to be an action to produce the reaction video taped and broadcast. You are always shown the "Reaction" of Lawenforcement,but never the Action of the "Protesters! How else could the Yellow Press scream Police-Brutality? They might even would have to be balanced for a change,God forbid! 
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That is the funny part of it all! You are always shown the "Reaction" of Lawenforcement,but never the Action of the "Protesters! How else could the Yellow Press scream Police-Brutality? They might even would have to be balanced for a change,God forbid! The Police are the ones Geared up to smash heads...the heads of the people that they are supposed to be protecting. Why did they not crack the head of the marine??? I was at a protest march, Occupy Dame Street in Dublin last week, not a Gun in Sight not a baton in sight. The police joined in the singing and music. No smart remarks Re....Guns in Dublin or Ireland Conrad
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That is the funny part of it all! You are always shown the "Reaction" of Lawenforcement,but never the Action of the "Protesters! How else could the Yellow Press scream Police-Brutality? They might even would have to be balanced for a change,God forbid! The Police are the ones Geared up to smash heads...the heads of the people that they are supposed to be protecting. Why did they not crack the head of the marine??? I was at a protest march, Occupy Dame Street in Dublin last week, not a Gun in Sight not a baton in sight. The police joined in the singing and music. No smart remarks Re....Guns in Dublin or Ireland Conrad The new and improved Ireland.. You are all gentlemen now. |
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That is the funny part of it all! You are always shown the "Reaction" of Lawenforcement,but never the Action of the "Protesters! How else could the Yellow Press scream Police-Brutality? They might even would have to be balanced for a change,God forbid! The Police are the ones Geared up to smash heads...the heads of the people that they are supposed to be protecting. Why did they not crack the head of the marine??? I was at a protest march, Occupy Dame Street in Dublin last week, not a Gun in Sight not a baton in sight. The police joined in the singing and music. No smart remarks Re....Guns in Dublin or Ireland Conrad The new and improved Ireland.. You are all gentlemen now. Our diaspora is 80,000,000 worldwide. |
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That is the funny part of it all! You are always shown the "Reaction" of Lawenforcement,but never the Action of the "Protesters! How else could the Yellow Press scream Police-Brutality? They might even would have to be balanced for a change,God forbid! The Police are the ones Geared up to smash heads...the heads of the people that they are supposed to be protecting. Why did they not crack the head of the marine??? I was at a protest march, Occupy Dame Street in Dublin last week, not a Gun in Sight not a baton in sight. The police joined in the singing and music. No smart remarks Re....Guns in Dublin or Ireland Conrad The new and improved Ireland.. You are all gentlemen now. Our diaspora is 80,000,000 worldwide. A very storied history in America.. No debating that. |
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I know some out there involved fully in these protests and they are NOT goons and thugs!! How riduculous to assume ALL who are angry with the state of our world and the pitiful job our government has done as goons and thugs!! Such sillyness! Just like the Islamists, the Left is given into due to the always present threat of violence. WOW just wow... you win, I'm absolutely speechless!!!!! |
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Oakland gathered police forces from all over the bay area and attacked the peaceful protesters with tear gas, rubber bullets, apparently shotguns with bags of lead...and, some claim, supposedly flashbangs. (Though I think, maybe, those are just tear gas grenades that also explode with dizzying brightness and deafening noise).
These events were filmed and reported through a network of friends, in real time, leading to an immediate and massive outpouring of support for the protesters. Based on the responses I saw amongst people that I personally know in Oakland, I was predicting a doubling or tripling of protesters, as more and more people were outraged by what happened and finally motivated to show their support. Today, the major changed her tune: http://www.baycitizen.org/occupy-movement/story/quan-shunned-reverses-occupy-ban/2/ Thank you internet. I feel that I'm a part of the generation that has seen and will continue to see a drastic reduction in police brutality, of sanctioned and organized violence. There are fewer and fewer opportunities for police to abuse their power without observers. But we must keep the cameras rolling. I hear three states have laws preventing people from filming police actions in public - if this is true, its disgusting. Police organizations are trying to have videos of abuse blocked on google. |
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No one is physically attacking these [citizens]. You make such sweeping statements - are you omniscient? The police are attacking them. I know well and good if these goons and thugs very attacked by passes by we would be hearing about these incidents to no end courtesy of the the left leaning media. However, this is not the case. If that to you is omniscience then so be it. As well the thugs and goons should not be impeding the law abiding going about their business being productive members of society. Impeding the movement of taxpaying citizens by the leeches and parasites of society should be a crime, it after all IS a violation of the other person's civil rights. I know some out there involved fully in these protests and they are NOT goons and thugs!! How riduculous to assume ALL who are angry with the state of our world and the pitiful job our government has done as goons and thugs!! Such sillyness!  Well you do know that the right wings most effective tool used is fearmongering and hatemongering so yea, they will make the OWM into that and more if they can get people to hate and fear them. That is how you oppress people is making them something to hate and fear, hell black folks know the drill, it is still happening to them here today. Instead of the realization that there are bad folks in every kind of people and knowing that one persons fight will not resonate with everyone because that will not create power nor will it make one "type" of people right and all others wrong. |
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Edited by
DeusImperator
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Thu 10/27/11 06:07 PM
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Occupy Everything Goon abusing a little Jewish man... antisemitism on parade.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3Y9CARUwio |
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Occupy Everything Goon abusing a little Jewish man... antisemitism on parade. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3Y9CARUwio just for balance, the great thing about americans is speech is not illegal , no matter how bigoted or 'goon' like and its difficult for any large group to keep out all such individuals even tea party were 'caught on tape' with such 'goon' antics http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13TQow6zJsQ&feature=related |
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Edited by
DeusImperator
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Thu 10/27/11 07:23 PM
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just for balance, the great thing about americans is speech is not illegal , no matter how bigoted or 'goon' like and its difficult for any large group to keep out all such individuals even tea party were 'caught on tape' with such 'goon' antics http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13TQow6zJsQ&feature=related If someone demands that we financially support him and is willing to use the coercive force of government enforce that financial support, the parasitic scum deserves scorn, derision and ridicule. At least that bloodsucking freeloading maggot got some $$$ out of the kind gentleman (whom you labeled a goon) who gave him free money like he demanded. After all being a plant by Progress Ohio (which he later admitted) does not seem to faze the poster. Progress Ohio is a extremist socialist organization which was founded in the beginning on a NAZI ideology. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Thu 10/27/11 07:27 PM
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just for balance, the great thing about americans is speech is not illegal , no matter how bigoted or 'goon' like and its difficult for any large group to keep out all such individuals even tea party were 'caught on tape' with such 'goon' antics http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13TQow6zJsQ&feature=related If someone demands that we financially support him and is willing to use the coercive force of government enforce that financial support, the parasitic scum deserves scorn, derision and ridicule. At least that bloodsucking freeloading maggot got some $$$ out of the kind gentleman (whom you labeled a goon) who gave him free money like he demanded. After all being a plant by Progress Ohio (which he later admitted) a extremist socialist organization which was founded in the beginning on a NAZI ideology. a 'plant' also took down acorn, but thats irrelevant to how they chose to behave to the stimulant both groups were equally 'goon' in their approach of another human being,, calling someone jew is no less acceptible than taunting a disabled/ill person and treating them like dirt but some people assume noone ever needs help and anyone that ever asks for it deserves to be belittled I guess the sign merely said that he needed help, he didnt ask for money |
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Occupy Everything Goon abusing a little Jewish man... antisemitism on parade. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3Y9CARUwio Unfortunately, you'll find antisemitism and racism in the world, still. I haven't watched this video and I certainly don't condone antisemitism or racism at all, but it obviously is not just found in the occupy crowd. |
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Occupy Everything Goon abusing a little Jewish man... antisemitism on parade. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3Y9CARUwio Unfortunately, you'll find antisemitism and racism in the world, still. I haven't watched this video and I certainly don't condone antisemitism or racism at all, but it obviously is not just found in the occupy crowd. a jewish man called another jewish man a jew, the unorthodox jew told the orthodox jew to go to israel,, that was the extent of it,,, |
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