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Do you have freedom of speech near a presidential candidate addressing the public without being escorted to a "free speech zone" that is actually a holding area/prison? These things were utilized in the Bush campaign. People wearing any T-shirts or carrying signs that apposed Bust were escorted off and put into an enclosed area. They were not given water to drink. Legally, they were place under arrest. *** Do you have the freedom to assemble 50 or more people without paying for a "permit?" Do we have to pay for exercising our right to assemble now? Didn't we pay for our freedom when we went to war? no, that would be an example of a freedom that may necessarily infringe upon someone elses for the sake of order and potential safety, Im sure I may need to be seated in specifically designated areas and probably will need to be fairly respectably quiet so that the speaker can be heard and recorded without unnecessary interference and noise. as to being enclosed without water? were they there over night or something? why should they be provided water? I have the freedom to assemble in certain places depending upon whether they are private or public or the conditions under which it is maintained, paid for, and by whom,,,, I dont consider it paying for my right to assemble, I Consider it paying for the USE of anothers resources and time in order to have an assembly,,, You are one of the sheeple. wont be the first time my disagreement has earned that response,,,lol no biggy |
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I don't think I suggested that anyone could have "absolute freedom." But we should have reasonable freedom. Freedom to come and go, to conduct our business, freedom of speech, freedom to vote for who we want to represent us, freedom to protect ourselves from criminals, freedom to believe and worship a God or not, etc. etc. Yes there has to be rules and laws in any society. The price for living in any society is that you respect their laws. But as a member of that society you should have the freedom to appose a law or change a law or protest against a law. It is your society and your laws. Not some dictator with riot police or an army who enforces laws made by that same dictator. That is not freedom. I have all these freedoms,,,,, Do you have the Freedom to sit down protest at a University Campus and NOT get Peppered Sprayed? IM sure I do. Unless IM causing some type of obstruction or disturbance for which I Am asked to leave and I refuse. America is imploding and you sitting down in a University Campus is a Government Priority....Please... I dont know if its government priority, but its probably local police priority in accordance with keeping peace and order,,,, Women would not have the vote now if it were up to people like you. Amazing how controlled some people are...Really Sad |
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They were locked into an enclosed area and kept there for hours. They were imprisoned. It was a hot day. They were not given water.
That was the "freedom of speech zone." To be clear, if you were wearing a t-shirt that supported Bush, you were allowed to be near the speech area. If you were wearing a t-shirt or holding a sign protesting any Bush policy, you were arrested and taken away to an enclosure. It had nothing to do with safety. It had everything to do with not letting the Media see anyone who apposed Bush. That is unexceptionable. |
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I don't think I suggested that anyone could have "absolute freedom." But we should have reasonable freedom. Freedom to come and go, to conduct our business, freedom of speech, freedom to vote for who we want to represent us, freedom to protect ourselves from criminals, freedom to believe and worship a God or not, etc. etc. Yes there has to be rules and laws in any society. The price for living in any society is that you respect their laws. But as a member of that society you should have the freedom to appose a law or change a law or protest against a law. It is your society and your laws. Not some dictator with riot police or an army who enforces laws made by that same dictator. That is not freedom. I have all these freedoms,,,,, Do you have the Freedom to sit down protest at a University Campus and NOT get Peppered Sprayed? IM sure I do. Unless IM causing some type of obstruction or disturbance for which I Am asked to leave and I refuse. America is imploding and you sitting down in a University Campus is a Government Priority....Please... I dont know if its government priority, but its probably local police priority in accordance with keeping peace and order,,,, Women would not have the vote now if it were up to people like you. Amazing how controlled some people are...Really Sad Black people would still be sitting at the back of the bus too. |
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Women were beaten and imprisoned and degraded for fighting for the right to vote.
Blacks were hanged and worse fighting for their rights. To let our freedoms slip away bit by bit and cooperate with the B.S. in the name of "national security" is to disrespect those people. |
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Women were beaten and imprisoned and degraded for fighting for the right to vote. Blacks were hanged and worse fighting for their rights. To let our freedoms slip away bit by bit and cooperate with the B.S. in the name of "national security" is to disrespect those people. I am not just saying this for this thread but it is quite alarming to see what is happening in America. Some of it is happening in London as well...right of assembly ...people free zones to protect the people we elect.. its crazy. At least in Ireland the Police Join in the Protests.. |
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Women were beaten and imprisoned and degraded for fighting for the right to vote. Blacks were hanged and worse fighting for their rights. To let our freedoms slip away bit by bit and cooperate with the B.S. in the name of "national security" is to disrespect those people. I am not just saying this for this thread but it is quite alarming to see what is happening in America. Some of it is happening in London as well...right of assembly ...people free zones to protect the people we elect.. its crazy. At least in Ireland the Police Join in the Protests.. I think the elected officials do need protecting, but not from the people. They need protecting from the criminal element that put them in office. That would be the evil COMPANY. The very body guard that is supposed to protect them, could be the assassin who pulls the trigger, or the one who betrays by turning his back or pulling the guards. They all work for the same COMPANY. This is not paranoia. This is fact. |
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I don't think I suggested that anyone could have "absolute freedom." But we should have reasonable freedom. Freedom to come and go, to conduct our business, freedom of speech, freedom to vote for who we want to represent us, freedom to protect ourselves from criminals, freedom to believe and worship a God or not, etc. etc. Yes there has to be rules and laws in any society. The price for living in any society is that you respect their laws. But as a member of that society you should have the freedom to appose a law or change a law or protest against a law. It is your society and your laws. Not some dictator with riot police or an army who enforces laws made by that same dictator. That is not freedom. I have all these freedoms,,,,, Do you have the Freedom to sit down protest at a University Campus and NOT get Peppered Sprayed? IM sure I do. Unless IM causing some type of obstruction or disturbance for which I Am asked to leave and I refuse. America is imploding and you sitting down in a University Campus is a Government Priority....Please... I dont know if its government priority, but its probably local police priority in accordance with keeping peace and order,,,, Women would not have the vote now if it were up to people like you. Amazing how controlled some people are...Really Sad the way logic is stretched in these threads still never ceases to amaze supporting the idea of keeping peace and order = supporting restricted voting rights,,, definitely an interesting analogy, even if it makes little sense to me at all |
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They were locked into an enclosed area and kept there for hours. They were imprisoned. It was a hot day. They were not given water. That was the "freedom of speech zone." To be clear, if you were wearing a t-shirt that supported Bush, you were allowed to be near the speech area. If you were wearing a t-shirt or holding a sign protesting any Bush policy, you were arrested and taken away to an enclosure. It had nothing to do with safety. It had everything to do with not letting the Media see anyone who apposed Bush. That is unexceptionable. if its true, IM sure there are courts for taking up legal issue with that sort of thing, another american 'freedom' |
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I don't think I suggested that anyone could have "absolute freedom." But we should have reasonable freedom. Freedom to come and go, to conduct our business, freedom of speech, freedom to vote for who we want to represent us, freedom to protect ourselves from criminals, freedom to believe and worship a God or not, etc. etc. Yes there has to be rules and laws in any society. The price for living in any society is that you respect their laws. But as a member of that society you should have the freedom to appose a law or change a law or protest against a law. It is your society and your laws. Not some dictator with riot police or an army who enforces laws made by that same dictator. That is not freedom. I have all these freedoms,,,,, Do you have the Freedom to sit down protest at a University Campus and NOT get Peppered Sprayed? IM sure I do. Unless IM causing some type of obstruction or disturbance for which I Am asked to leave and I refuse. America is imploding and you sitting down in a University Campus is a Government Priority....Please... I dont know if its government priority, but its probably local police priority in accordance with keeping peace and order,,,, Women would not have the vote now if it were up to people like you. Amazing how controlled some people are...Really Sad Black people would still be sitting at the back of the bus too.  all because I believe police should be able to place reasonable restrictions within large groups to keep business and traffic from being unfairly disrupted, or potentially volatile situations from arising from people being too closely enclosed together,,, HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
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Women were beaten and imprisoned and degraded for fighting for the right to vote. Blacks were hanged and worse fighting for their rights. To let our freedoms slip away bit by bit and cooperate with the B.S. in the name of "national security" is to disrespect those people. I agree. Yet not ALL freedoms are necessary or even productive and absolute freedom would be chaos. So we just have to disagree on which 'freedoms' are necessary for a quality of life we desire and which can afford some compromise. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Mon 11/28/11 06:16 PM
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Women were beaten and imprisoned and degraded for fighting for the right to vote. Blacks were hanged and worse fighting for their rights. To let our freedoms slip away bit by bit and cooperate with the B.S. in the name of "national security" is to disrespect those people. I agree. Yet not ALL freedoms are necessary or even productive and absolute freedom would be chaos. So we just have to disagree on which 'freedoms' are necessary for a quality of life we desire and which can afford some compromise. Blah Blah. Again I have NEVER advocated anything called "absolute freedom." So your argument is weak and a bit pointless. What I am saying is inch by inch as we get talked into giving up one freedom at a time, by exactly YOUR kind of reasoning.... we loose a little more ground. Regulations, rules, fees, permits, fines, etc etc. I live in a tiny peaceful town and I have go through a metal detector and have my purse searched to go pay my taxes and renew my car licence fees which has tripled in the last year. Its closing in on us bit by bit, even living in small peaceful country towns like Mayberry. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Mon 11/28/11 06:24 PM
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Women were beaten and imprisoned and degraded for fighting for the right to vote. Blacks were hanged and worse fighting for their rights. To let our freedoms slip away bit by bit and cooperate with the B.S. in the name of "national security" is to disrespect those people. I agree. Yet not ALL freedoms are necessary or even productive and absolute freedom would be chaos. So we just have to disagree on which 'freedoms' are necessary for a quality of life we desire and which can afford some compromise. Blah Blah. Again I have NEVER advocated anything called "absolute freedom." So your argument is weak and a bit pointless. What I am saying is inch by inch as we get talked into giving up one freedom at a time, by exactly YOUR kind of reasoning.... we loose a little more ground. Regulations, rules, fees, permits, fines, etc etc. I live in a tiny peaceful town and I have go through a metal detector and have my purse searched to go pay my taxes and renew my car licence fees which has tripled in the last year. Its closing in on us bit by bit, even living in small peaceful country towns like Mayberry. my argument is not pointless the point is there are two extremes, NO RULES(chaos, total freedom), and ALL RULES (dictatorship, no freedom) most people, including me, want something in the middle we just disagree upon how many of those on the list of all possible freedoms we should be able to sacrifice or compromise without feeling a threat,,,, we still have quite a bit more freedom than most, and I dont feel my freedoms closing in at this time ,, I actually feel it going more toward the chaos of everyone insisting on doing whatever they want however they want,,,(unless they are christian, but thats another thread) I can sacrifice the freedom to be rude to someone giving a speech, without feeling in danger of going back to being hanged,,,lol |
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I can sacrifice the freedom to be rude to someone giving a speech, without feeling in danger of going back to being hanged,,,lol We are not talking about just "someone giving a speech." We are talking about showing support or opposition for a political candidate. What we in America call free speech...in the form of holding a sign or wearing a t-shirt. |
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I can sacrifice the freedom to be rude to someone giving a speech, without feeling in danger of going back to being hanged,,,lol We are not talking about just "someone giving a speech." We are talking about showing support or opposition for a political candidate. What we in America call free speech...in the form of holding a sign or wearing a t-shirt. yeah, thats as extreme as kicking a child out of class for saying they dont believe homosexuality is right (Except one is on public land and another is governnment property. But it could be stretched to consider an area in which a presidential procession is being conducted as equally government and public). I dont necessarily agree with those restrictions. But Im hardly going to be as up in arms over them as I Would people being hanged or not being permitted a VOTE. the right to wear a tee shirt or carry a sign, are a little less significant to me personally. |
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I can sacrifice the freedom to be rude to someone giving a speech, without feeling in danger of going back to being hanged,,,lol We are not talking about just "someone giving a speech." We are talking about showing support or opposition for a political candidate. What we in America call free speech...in the form of holding a sign or wearing a t-shirt. yeah, thats as extreme as kicking a child out of class for saying they dont believe homosexuality is right (Except one is on public land and another is governnment property. But it could be stretched to consider an area in which a presidential procession is being conducted as equally government and public). I dont necessarily agree with those restrictions. But Im hardly going to be as up in arms over them as I Would people being hanged or not being permitted a VOTE. the right to wear a tee shirt or carry a sign, are a little less significant to me personally. chip chip chip. It all matters. The putting (arresting) people and enclosing them in a "free speech zone" is the part that is really extreme. |
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I don't think I suggested that anyone could have "absolute freedom." But we should have reasonable freedom. Freedom to come and go, to conduct our business, freedom of speech, freedom to vote for who we want to represent us, freedom to protect ourselves from criminals, freedom to believe and worship a God or not, etc. etc. Yes there has to be rules and laws in any society. The price for living in any society is that you respect their laws. But as a member of that society you should have the freedom to appose a law or change a law or protest against a law. It is your society and your laws. Not some dictator with riot police or an army who enforces laws made by that same dictator. That is not freedom. I have all these freedoms,,,,, Do you have the Freedom to sit down protest at a University Campus and NOT get Peppered Sprayed? IM sure I do. Unless IM causing some type of obstruction or disturbance for which I Am asked to leave and I refuse. lol! 
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I almost think it's better these lying, thieving, backwards politicians leave God out of it; gives him a bad name in my opinion. If God truly aligned himself with them, then I might consider atheism
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Mon 11/28/11 10:03 PM
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They were locked into an enclosed area and kept there for hours. They were imprisoned. It was a hot day. They were not given water. That was the "freedom of speech zone." To be clear, if you were wearing a t-shirt that supported Bush, you were allowed to be near the speech area. If you were wearing a t-shirt or holding a sign protesting any Bush policy, you were arrested and taken away to an enclosure. It had nothing to do with safety. It had everything to do with not letting the Media see anyone who apposed Bush. That is unexceptionable. if its true, IM sure there are courts for taking up legal issue with that sort of thing, another american 'freedom' If it's true? What do you think I post things that are not true or that can't be backed up? When Bush travels around the United States, the Secret Service visits the location ahead of time and orders local police to set up “free speech zones” or “protest zones” where people opposed to Bush policies (and sometimes sign-carrying supporters) are quarantined. These zones routinely succeed in keeping protesters out of presidential sight and outside the view of media covering the event. When Bush came to the Pittsburgh area on Labor Day 2002, 65-year-old retired steel worker Bill Neel was there to greet him with a sign proclaiming, “The Bush family must surely love the poor, they made so many of us.” The local police, at the Secret Service’s behest, set up a “designated free-speech zone” on a baseball field surrounded by a chain-link fence a third of a mile from the location of Bush’s speech. The police cleared the path of the motorcade of all critical signs, though folks with pro-Bush signs were permitted to line the president’s path. Neel refused to go to the designated area and was arrested for disorderly conduct; the police also confiscated his sign. Neel later commented, “As far as I’m concerned, the whole country is a free speech zone. If the Bush administration has its way, anyone who criticizes them will be out of sight and out of mind.” read the article http://www.theamericanconservative.com/article/2003/dec/15/00012/ Read on Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_speech_zone In the future, if you have any doubts about what I'm telling you, please do a search. Search "Free speech zone" if its true, IM sure there are courts for taking up legal issue with that sort of thing, another american 'freedom' Headline: Secret Service Ordered Local Police to Restrict Anti-Bush Protesters at Rallies, ACLU Charges in Unprecedented Nationwide Lawsuits http://www.aclu.org/free-speech/secret-service-ordered-local-police-restrict-anti-bush-protesters-rallies-aclu-charges-u (It just shows how easy it is for a president to take ridiculous actions to restrict our rights using the excuse "national security" when that was NOT the reason it was done.) It was done as part of the propaganda machine. They did not want the appearance that anyone was apposing Bush. Search Google: https://www.google.com/search?aq=f&gcx=w&ix=c1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=bush's+free+speech+zones |
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Free speech zones (also known as First Amendment Zones or derisively as Free speech cages) are areas in the United States that are set aside for political protesters to exercise their right to free speech. These came into existence soon after the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks as part of George W. Bush's security campaign. It is alleged that they are sometimes used as censorship, to ensure that hostile views do not reflect negatively on presidential visits, press conferences, and speeches, or that they are used to insulate the president from hearing criticism. There is much controversy surrounding the creation of these areas - the mere existence of such zones is offensive to some people, and not a small amount of irony, considering that the U.S. Constitution defines the entire nation as a "free speech zone" and according to Bush as "the free-est country in the world".
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