This has all the makings of the endless debate with JR about whether or not he 'believes' things.

You are either completely not thinking this through, or you won't unwrap your fingers from a very narrow notion of what a 'concept' is.

as If I'm differing from my statement...

'Still there are' means 'yes those were there & still few are there'

I don't see any difference in my statements.



So why everyone inventedthat supernaturalpower only?

Hope you won't claim now that you or your ancestors have invented god.

God can never be a concept dude,nor it can be described with a symbol.

Many religions,many wise people have tried their best for years to invent god,to describe god,to conceptualize god Whatever is the out come of their work is,I respect that work ,may be it is some holly book or something else,but I don't see god as bound by some concepts,symbols,religions.

So,sorry I'm literally unable to conceptualize that super power.It is beyond my imagination but I'm eager to devote my selfness into that highest spirit.

I disagree for the same reason I said before - I've seen no proof.

I again don't see any difference in my statements.

In both statements I'm believing in god.

So what made u feel that I'm differing??

Do u mean to say that I edited & U turned???

Actually everything that u r able to see around you is a proof of his existence but he has programmed u so that u won't believe him till he wish.

I'm not saying that they are incompatible, I'm making note of the fact that you have to dramatically narrow down the set of societies to talk about them arriving at them independently. Since you'd earlier made that sweeping statement about 'all' societies, noting that narrowing of focus is important.




I'm vaguely interested in having a serious conversation with you, but it would be helpful if you explained your meaning more thoroughly. Proper grammar can be very helpful.





You appear to continue to confuse two completely different lines of thought, here.

Also, you are continuing to elaborate on your concept of god. Its very clear that you have some very definite concepts about god. The fact that you seem to consider the true nature of god to be beyond concepts is simply one of the concepts you have about god.

There is a difference between seeing god as a concept, and recognizing that you have a concept about god.

This difference has caused the entire exchange you and I have had about 'concepts' and 'god' to be completely lost. I'm giving up.




Since you don't use specific phrasings, I'm left assuming that you think that I've just accused you of being inconsistent with your earlier statements. I did not accuse you of this.

I was trying to make a point about how your response, several quotes above, was not related to what I had just previously said.



No, that is not what I mean.

I'd like to point out that I do not see any change in his stance.

Yes, he did say all societies... But he also pinpointed that a "few societies who are not related by any means with other word but still they have their own god..."

I took that to mean those societies who didn't have contact with other societies.


I also give him the benefit of the doubt as I don't think English is his primary language. But even if it is, I still understand what he's saying...

Crap. I hit edit instead of quote and obliterated my last post.



I didn't say he did. He said two different things about two different sets. The fact that he had to restrict the domain to make the stronger claim is important.




I also suspect that, plus he is likely either (a) using a mobile device, or (b) not good with the keyboard or (c) lazy. Whatever the cause(s), it makes i difficult to have a conversation.



Maybe you can help me with this one, then:



I thought he might mean: "why did everyone separately invent a supernatural power?", but I'm confused by his tacking the word 'only' on to the end.

Maybe you should ask the source... After all, that's what he did when he wasn't clear what your meaning was...

Is that one tough for you, also? I did 'ask' in the sense of encouraging him to elaborate. But here you are, offering a paraphrase for one part, I thought you might like to offer another.


The other thing that's confusing, at least about my initial interpretation ""why did everyone separately invent a supernatural power?"" is that we had already established that not everyone did.

Not tough at all. I just think others should come to their own conclusions.

If you need some help, here's a hint of what I thought he meant...


Find a place in his statement for two spaces and one word... (has)

PP, you like games. Inserting "has" as the 3rd word doesn't get me much more than 'did', doesn't explain why he ended with 'only', and doesn't clarify if using 'everyone' instead of 'a few societies' was just a slip up. Yes, I was hoping you could speculate about his meaning in a way that would address all of those questions.

But thanks for the help. Maybe Prashan can address those.

Hell with my english....sorry,I'm very poor at it & u will have to get the work done with my broken english & expressions only

You can certainly try to talk people into believing that way, but for me that doesn't work.

I'll again say 'neither god is a concept nor can be conceptualized'.

God is beyond mine,yours & everyone's imagination.

I seriously believe that who ever has tried to conceptualize god has failed to do so.They made religions,they made prayers,they gathered followers but no one conceptualized god at actual.

If I'm trying to say something about god,attempting to describe god then again I believe it is a failure as a concept.

you had a strong objection about feeling god as an air,but I feel god as wind too,I feel presence of god in water,soil,rocks,fire in myself & in yourself too.He is creator of this universe & he is everywhere.

God is everywhere & don't have any specific shape,size,color,appearance.

God can be a action too.

When it comes to debate about god,confusion is but natural.Someone who wish to find god has to first believe in god,Each soul has to take great efforts to mix itself with that super soul where it can experience & feel god.

Again,whatever I said isn't a concept about god & I don't consider myself capable enough to have definite concept about god,but I have my ways to believe in god.

God can't be captured & put inside a temple,church,mosque or holly books but it can be in the soul of that person who is praying anywhere for selfless reason.

I don't believe in any specific concept about god nor any religion because that way somehow I'm insulting the god & dignity of his lovers.

Well,I'm not trying to make u or anyone else believing in god.

As I already said, u hv been programmed to not believe,so it won't work for u untill he wish.

Well at this point I don't really care much either way, but going back to the point in the conversation where you said this:



If you have a real question that you want to ask me, I'm willing to bite, but you'd have to elaborate on what you really mean first.

Yes, yes, yes, we've gone on and on discussing two different topics as if it were the same topic.



Not quite, but whatever.



Thats all fine.



Okay.




For the part in italics, yes, okay, whatever, I got the gist of this part of your point the first time you said it.

For the part in bold...well thats just wrong. You can make sounds without having a concept behind the sounds, but you cannot even attempt to actually use language for its intended purpose without having concepts behind your attempts at using language.



None of this at all changes the point that I was trying to make earlier, but its far past the point where I should have acted on my realization that the effort would far exceeded what is to be gained, and dropped it.

Thanks peter,

Yeah,English is not my mother tongue but I'm trying my best to learn english & I already apologized for my poor english.

Massagetrade & yourself are expert in english still u understood what I'm upto & he did not.In my opinion this difference between u two is due to difference in state of realization of god.

I guess u have already realized presence of god & ur sole is having strong willingness to get homogeneous with that super soul(same as mine sole)

No one can sense & feel god by blindly following some concepts,one has to have an inner urge & willingness by soul.

everyone has to find his own god,who is always there.