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JOE could have gotten an education and then wouldn't need a union to provide that stuff. Most people don't work for unions thus this story doesn't give an example of an average person. People could just as easily save for their own retirement then pay into social security. Auto safety is for marketing otherwise everyone would just have the minimum safety allowed by law. Many manufacturer go above and beyond because of consumer demands. 
Then unions have nothing to do with it. Thus all union points are pointless. unions aren't completely useless... they take people that can't hold a job anywhere else, because of lazyness or stupidity, and keep them employed. then the union people talk about how good they are at what they do, like paying someone 40 bucks an hour to put a screw in something.... My point was it says in the article that this guy has vacation and health insurance etc because of unions. Then bestinshow says he isn't in a union. That is why I said the union comment is moot. best is in a union, so it is a weak attempt to glorify unions... but your right, it shouldn't have anything to do with the fable he posted |
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Goobers dead..
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yep,the Benevolent Unions!
http://laborpains.org/2012/05/01/uaw-cuts-rival-union-out-of-auto-recovery/ UAW Cuts Rival Union Out of Auto Recovery Though the size and influence of the United Auto Workers (UAW) has waned over the past couple of decades, the union cashed a substantial amount of political capital to help secure the 2007 bailout of the auto industry. As The Wall Street Journal reports, the union has made sure to protect its members–even at the expense of employees in other unions. General Motors’ (GM) Moraine (OH) plant was one of the most productive and cooperative factories, yet it was closed following the automaker’s 2007 labor pact with the UAW. Two years later in the midst of a recovery, Moraine’s 2,500 laid-off workers are barred from transferring to other plants under a deal brokered by the UAW during GM’s bankruptcy–locking them out of the industry’s rebound. The problem: Moraine’s workers weren’t in the UAW. Originally an appliance factory, the plant moved to automobile manufacturing under GM. The workers there elected to stick with the International Union of Electrical Workers (IUE), rather than join the UAW. However, they generally accepted contracts negotiated by the UAW. When GM began having financial difficulty in 2007, IUE leaders decided to break ranks with the UAW and offer concessions to keep GM and Moraine afloat. However, as the company’s financial situation worsened, and GM and the UAW began negotiating, IUE had no seat at the table. Unfortunately, by the time GM had satisfied the UAW, there was nothing left for IUE workers in Moraine. In the end, “we had to take care of our own members,” says Cal Rapson, the former UAW vice president leading negotiations with GM. “It was unfortunate what happened to the others. But there wasn’t enough to go around.” Be Sociable, Share!Yeah Right! |
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JOE could have gotten an education and then wouldn't need a union to provide that stuff. Most people don't work for unions thus this story doesn't give an example of an average person. People could just as easily save for their own retirement then pay into social security. Auto safety is for marketing otherwise everyone would just have the minimum safety allowed by law. Many manufacturer go above and beyond because of consumer demands.
Then unions have nothing to do with it. Thus all union points are pointless. |
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JOE could have gotten an education and then wouldn't need a union to provide that stuff. Most people don't work for unions thus this story doesn't give an example of an average person. People could just as easily save for their own retirement then pay into social security. Auto safety is for marketing otherwise everyone would just have the minimum safety allowed by law. Many manufacturer go above and beyond because of consumer demands.
Then unions have nothing to do with it. Thus all union points are pointless. unions aren't completely useless... they take people that can't hold a job anywhere else, because of lazyness or stupidity, and keep them employed. then the union people talk about how good they are at what they do, like paying someone 40 bucks an hour to put a screw in something.... My point was it says in the article that this guy has vacation and health insurance etc because of unions. Then bestinshow says he isn't in a union. That is why I said the union comment is moot. 
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JOE could have gotten an education and then wouldn't need a union to provide that stuff. Most people don't work for unions thus this story doesn't give an example of an average person. People could just as easily save for their own retirement then pay into social security. Auto safety is for marketing otherwise everyone would just have the minimum safety allowed by law. Many manufacturer go above and beyond because of consumer demands.
Then unions have nothing to do with it. Thus all union points are pointless. unions aren't completely useless... they take people that can't hold a job anywhere else, because of lazyness or stupidity, and keep them employed. then the union people talk about how good they are at what they do, like paying someone 40 bucks an hour to put a screw in something.... I ran four Robot fed CNC lathes. I ran the crane that moved out the finish stock I maintained the dimensions on the lathes and the product and did QC on them I use an optical comparator to check the angles as well as dimensions. On overtime I worked in assembly and did the QC. Far more complicated than turning a screw but I am not complaining any job in this economy is a good thing. Personaly I think I am underpaid for all the complicated tasks I preform but that is the nature of modern manufacturing. |
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JOE could have gotten an education and then wouldn't need a union to provide that stuff. Most people don't work for unions thus this story doesn't give an example of an average person. People could just as easily save for their own retirement then pay into social security. Auto safety is for marketing otherwise everyone would just have the minimum safety allowed by law. Many manufacturer go above and beyond because of consumer demands.
Then unions have nothing to do with it. Thus all union points are pointless. unions aren't completely useless... they take people that can't hold a job anywhere else, because of lazyness or stupidity, and keep them employed. then the union people talk about how good they are at what they do, like paying someone 40 bucks an hour to put a screw in something.... My point was it says in the article that this guy has vacation and health insurance etc because of unions. Then bestinshow says he isn't in a union. That is why I said the union comment is moot.
And I suggest you do the same. Are you suggesting that doctors, lawyers, and other educated professionals didn't have access to healthcare? Either through employers or large salaries? Are you suggesting that the competitive nature of these careers didn't have anything to do with these things? When you have a skill people want they pay for it. Its cheaper for a company that hires lots of engineers to strike a deal with an insurance company and get group rates than to pay increased salaries to compensate for healthcare. Vacation is just part of the deal as well. Point in case my current job offered me a salary. I got them to pay me 15k more than they offered. See how an education works? |
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JOE could have gotten an education and then wouldn't need a union to provide that stuff. Most people don't work for unions thus this story doesn't give an example of an average person. People could just as easily save for their own retirement then pay into social security. Auto safety is for marketing otherwise everyone would just have the minimum safety allowed by law. Many manufacturer go above and beyond because of consumer demands.
Then unions have nothing to do with it. Thus all union points are pointless. unions aren't completely useless... they take people that can't hold a job anywhere else, because of lazyness or stupidity, and keep them employed. then the union people talk about how good they are at what they do, like paying someone 40 bucks an hour to put a screw in something.... I ran four Robot fed CNC lathes. I ran the crane that moved out the finish stock I maintained the dimensions on the lathes and the product and did QC on them I use an optical comparator to check the angles as well as dimensions. On overtime I worked in assembly and did the QC. Far more complicated than turning a screw but I am not complaining any job in this economy is a good thing. Personaly I think I am underpaid for all the complicated tasks I preform but that is the nature of modern manufacturing. keep patting yourself on the back, no one else will do it for you.... |
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JOE could have gotten an education and then wouldn't need a union to provide that stuff. Most people don't work for unions thus this story doesn't give an example of an average person. People could just as easily save for their own retirement then pay into social security. Auto safety is for marketing otherwise everyone would just have the minimum safety allowed by law. Many manufacturer go above and beyond because of consumer demands.
Then unions have nothing to do with it. Thus all union points are pointless. unions aren't completely useless... they take people that can't hold a job anywhere else, because of lazyness or stupidity, and keep them employed. then the union people talk about how good they are at what they do, like paying someone 40 bucks an hour to put a screw in something.... My point was it says in the article that this guy has vacation and health insurance etc because of unions. Then bestinshow says he isn't in a union. That is why I said the union comment is moot.
And I suggest you do the same. Are you suggesting that doctors, lawyers, and other educated professionals didn't have access to healthcare? Either through employers or large salaries? Are you suggesting that the competitive nature of these careers didn't have anything to do with these things? When you have a skill people want they pay for it. Its cheaper for a company that hires lots of engineers to strike a deal with an insurance company and get group rates than to pay increased salaries to compensate for healthcare. Vacation is just part of the deal as well. Point in case my current job offered me a salary. I got them to pay me 15k more than they offered. See how an education works?  
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