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I am an adult male who lifts weights and works out 5 days a week. My caloric needs are over 2000 to maintain my weight. The point with kids is if you can't afford them you shouldn't have them. Tax payers and the children shouldn't suffer for parents decisions. I am not opposed to people needing help and receiving some. I am opposed to pople feeling entitled to said help. Yes people can contribute and not make money, but if you are draining money you are not contributing. people are not FORTUNETELLERS Chaz people dont have them and foresee their financial future for the next EIGHTEEN YEARS people hit UNEXPECTED Hard times and need help,,, its not about 'having' them when you cant afford them its about already having AFFORDED To have them and finding things have changed,,,, If you are mentioning baby formula then yea it's pretty recent. Yes a minority of people are fine and hit hard spots. Lots of people are already on welfare and having kids. Many are single and having kids. Many are not educated. Again people are not entitled to welfare. They are lucky they live in a country that offers aid at all. There are plenty that abuse the system and people like me pay for it. Let's just say if someone received what I pay in taxes every month then they would be over the poverty level. And people want Us working people to pay even more. its a male who mentioned baby formula, Im pretty sure he cant breast feed. People may not be 'entitled' to alot of things , depending upon what makes you feel someone is entitled but the US BUDGET is set up for the american public, not just those who have a 'paid' income and as such has a fund for those times americans fall into that category and need help Im glad you are fortunate enough to have such a well paying job,, you are NOT The rule ,,,, especially not for those who have, are having, or already had children although you may be more representative of young people who are 'getting' in at the right times into the right jobs where the benefit is given to them that they will contribute based upon their education and that they will devote more to their job because they have no family (on paper) MOST poor people, have not had such a craps shoot with picking the right job at the right time,, and thats more about how the capitalist economy is DESIGNED (for only a minority to have those jobs) than it is about being unproductive or unentitled,,,, Actually there was no income tax until the world war. When we developed our nation our founding fathers didn't think we should provide for others. Everyone provided for themselves. The baby, where is the mom? There are very few circumstances where there is going to be a family with a new born, that has a single parent, that was in a stable 2 parent home not on welfare prior to being born and then became a welfare single parent family. Not that it is impossible but it is improbable. Crap shoot of picking a job? There is tons of information out there on what jobs are trending and what jobs will be needed the most. I purposefully got education in a relevant field that would have good career opportunities and that pays well and offers good benefits. Also, getting in at the right time? Unemployment numbers are pretty much at an all time high starting around when I graduated. Where have you been? You are also wrong about those jobs being for "minorities" https://www.acteonline.org/uploadedFiles/Publications_and_E-Media/files/files-techniques-2009/Theme_4(3).pdf In 2009 62% of jobs require a 2 year degree or higher and that is estimated to rise to 75% in 2020. Capitalist societies thrive on education. A company can't grow in today's society without gaining more educated people. For example any defense contractor will need to hire more engineers every time they win a new contract. If they want to be competitive and grow their business then need more people. If you were in engineering you would have heard by now about the engineering shortage they are expecting over the next decade or so. Many are reaching retirement age and not enough graduates are coming out to replace them much less fill the new jobs being formed. Hence my large salary for a job I am considered entry level at. (as it is a change from an integration and test engineer to an RF) I Dont think thats an argument against what I Said so if 65 percent or MORE require at least a two year degree, and my statement was that the economy is set up for a MINORITY of people to find employment in well paying jobs not everyone has the intellectual capacity to succeed in the higher paying 'high tech' or 'professional' jobs which pay the best salaries,, but that doesnt mean they should starve , being productive should be an asset, whatever its monetary value , and all those being productive should be able to know they will have the basics even when a contribution may not be 'paid' some monetary value, it can still and often does make a difference in the COMMUNITY and profit SOMEONE SOMEWHERE,,,, It very much disproves what you said. The majority of jobs require education already and this is going up. A capitalist society is the most education demanding. The majority of people have the ability to learn what is needed for a high paying job. I am good at math Thus engineering is where I would go. My gf sucks at math but is great at languages. She speaks 2 fluently 1 advanced and 1 used to speak intermediate but she hasn't used it in a while. She could easily get into international business and that's what she was doing when I met her. You just need to find your skill sets and follow them. |
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msharmony
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Fri 06/22/12 07:30 AM
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I am an adult male who lifts weights and works out 5 days a week. My caloric needs are over 2000 to maintain my weight. The point with kids is if you can't afford them you shouldn't have them. Tax payers and the children shouldn't suffer for parents decisions. I am not opposed to people needing help and receiving some. I am opposed to pople feeling entitled to said help. Yes people can contribute and not make money, but if you are draining money you are not contributing. people are not FORTUNETELLERS Chaz people dont have them and foresee their financial future for the next EIGHTEEN YEARS people hit UNEXPECTED Hard times and need help,,, its not about 'having' them when you cant afford them its about already having AFFORDED To have them and finding things have changed,,,, If you are mentioning baby formula then yea it's pretty recent. Yes a minority of people are fine and hit hard spots. Lots of people are already on welfare and having kids. Many are single and having kids. Many are not educated. Again people are not entitled to welfare. They are lucky they live in a country that offers aid at all. There are plenty that abuse the system and people like me pay for it. Let's just say if someone received what I pay in taxes every month then they would be over the poverty level. And people want Us working people to pay even more. its a male who mentioned baby formula, Im pretty sure he cant breast feed. People may not be 'entitled' to alot of things , depending upon what makes you feel someone is entitled but the US BUDGET is set up for the american public, not just those who have a 'paid' income and as such has a fund for those times americans fall into that category and need help Im glad you are fortunate enough to have such a well paying job,, you are NOT The rule ,,,, especially not for those who have, are having, or already had children although you may be more representative of young people who are 'getting' in at the right times into the right jobs where the benefit is given to them that they will contribute based upon their education and that they will devote more to their job because they have no family (on paper) MOST poor people, have not had such a craps shoot with picking the right job at the right time,, and thats more about how the capitalist economy is DESIGNED (for only a minority to have those jobs) than it is about being unproductive or unentitled,,,, Actually there was no income tax until the world war. When we developed our nation our founding fathers didn't think we should provide for others. Everyone provided for themselves. The baby, where is the mom? There are very few circumstances where there is going to be a family with a new born, that has a single parent, that was in a stable 2 parent home not on welfare prior to being born and then became a welfare single parent family. Not that it is impossible but it is improbable. Crap shoot of picking a job? There is tons of information out there on what jobs are trending and what jobs will be needed the most. I purposefully got education in a relevant field that would have good career opportunities and that pays well and offers good benefits. Also, getting in at the right time? Unemployment numbers are pretty much at an all time high starting around when I graduated. Where have you been? You are also wrong about those jobs being for "minorities" https://www.acteonline.org/uploadedFiles/Publications_and_E-Media/files/files-techniques-2009/Theme_4(3).pdf In 2009 62% of jobs require a 2 year degree or higher and that is estimated to rise to 75% in 2020. Capitalist societies thrive on education. A company can't grow in today's society without gaining more educated people. For example any defense contractor will need to hire more engineers every time they win a new contract. If they want to be competitive and grow their business then need more people. If you were in engineering you would have heard by now about the engineering shortage they are expecting over the next decade or so. Many are reaching retirement age and not enough graduates are coming out to replace them much less fill the new jobs being formed. Hence my large salary for a job I am considered entry level at. (as it is a change from an integration and test engineer to an RF) I Dont think thats an argument against what I Said so if 65 percent or MORE require at least a two year degree, and my statement was that the economy is set up for a MINORITY of people to find employment in well paying jobs not everyone has the intellectual capacity to succeed in the higher paying 'high tech' or 'professional' jobs which pay the best salaries,, but that doesnt mean they should starve , being productive should be an asset, whatever its monetary value , and all those being productive should be able to know they will have the basics even when a contribution may not be 'paid' some monetary value, it can still and often does make a difference in the COMMUNITY and profit SOMEONE SOMEWHERE,,,, It very much disproves what you said. The majority of jobs require education already and this is going up. A capitalist society is the most education demanding. The majority of people have the ability to learn what is needed for a high paying job. I am good at math Thus engineering is where I would go. My gf sucks at math but is great at languages. She speaks 2 fluently 1 advanced and 1 used to speak intermediate but she hasn't used it in a while. She could easily get into international business and that's what she was doing when I met her. You just need to find your skill sets and follow them. yes, you are right thats all there is to it,,,, find your skill, cause everyone has the opportunity from childhood to be TAUGHT They have any special skills and to figure out what that is,,,and everyone can AFFORD the quality schooling to develop that skill and preferred skills NEVER change, once you find yours you are set NO MATTER WHAT happens in the future,,,, most people have the skills that are going to earn them a good income,,,I guess they just have 'preferred' to struggle instead all this time,,,, 
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Yes that is all there is to it. Unlike you I don't think the majority of people are dumb. A lot are lazy though. A lot make poor decisions. Yea not getting an education is a poor decision, getting pregnant in high school is a poor decision, etc. High-school is easy and plenty of people didn't try because they were fine with getting Cs if it meant they didn't have to work at it. Lots of people don't apply themselves and don't care about learning. It's attitude.
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Yes that is all there is to it. Unlike you I don't think the majority of people are dumb. A lot are lazy though. A lot make poor decisions. Yea not getting an education is a poor decision, getting pregnant in high school is a poor decision, etc. High-school is easy and plenty of people didn't try because they were fine with getting Cs if it meant they didn't have to work at it. Lots of people don't apply themselves and don't care about learning. It's attitude. Chaz, you will never convince anyone with a "welfare mentality" of the value of self responsibility. You will never convince someone with a sense of "entitlement" that any effort is due the source of assistance. Anyone who thinks they have a "right" to have someone else pay all their bills and provide for all their needs does not understand our culture and government or exists simply to take advantage of it. |
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