There is no "right" to welfare.

If there are "safeguards already in place to WEED out..." then the taxpayer has the right to make stronger safeguards.

Further requirements serve EXACTLY the same point to appease the owners of the money, the taxpayers.

Drug testing is no more groveling for them than it was for me and the rest who had to be tested.

the rest who have to be tested dont have the other LIST of requirements just to have income for food and shelter,,,,



employers dont require you to prove your household composition (repeatedly) for your income

once you have 'employment' , you 'prove' your skill set everyday on your job and at any time an employer can terminate your employment

once you receive assistance, you 'prove' your intentions by regularly scheduled appointments requiring DOCUMENTED evidence of houshold composition and income, and birth certificates, and social security cards,,,,etc

you 'prove' yourself by participating in a verified weekly job search,(also required to be documented)

you 'prove' yourself by participating in actual JOBS that are assigned to you to 'train' you for a real job


these are not things that the average DRUGGIE are going to be able to keep up with and when you dont keep up with them you are immediately put in NON COMPLIANCE and no longer eligible to EVER receive aid

,,this bill, does NOTHING productive for the 'taxpayer' except waste MORE of their money on a pursuit that is supposedly going to keep their money from being 'wasted'

the most current estimate of failed users, for example, in florida was 2 PERCENT

so, the state will owe the other 98 percent forty a pop,

so at roughly 300 per month(and this is an OVER estimate) for financial assistance,,,that means out of just one hundred applicants
what is saved is (2*300)

six hundred dollars

what is spent is (40*98) 3.920 dollars spent


makes alot of LOGICAL sense to me,,,

its not a policy to 'save' the taxpayer from spending, it costs the taxpayer at LEAST as much,,,



its a policy born out of some ill conceived prejudice


about the drug riddled poor,,,,

by the way,,the AVERAGE welfare eligible aged floridians rate of drug use is NINE Percent,,

seems, so far, there are LESS drug riddled poor being exposed by this policy than there are mainstream 'worthy' people,,,

Nine percent sounds like either a ficticious number or, it's the number of self-confessed users.

Let me draw a picture.
Drug use is a choice.
Accuse any of them of being a drug addict. The most common responce is, I can quit anytime I choose.
If they can choose to not do dope, it's a choice to dope up.

I agree. But drug use and drug abuse are not the same and

(especially with weed) have little to do directly with ones 'productivity', which should be the point and the goal

You really don't see the hypocrisy in a government being the primary drug trafficker and legislating against its customers? You're right. People have a choice, but a government that plays both side of anything is not a government I respect. That we would be invoked to go against our fellow Americans over an illness that has been both criminalized and used by the elite to do evil things to people we don't know will be one major reason for a bloody revolution.


My baby lost a mother for as yet, an undetermined period of time until she gets her at together. It destroyed our relationship. I'm grateful she can still get food stamps, because I for one, would like for my daughter to have a mother when she's ready to be one.

Use, abuse, in most states even weed is still illegal. Federally, weed is illegal.
BS on weed doesn't affect performance or productivity. That's from experiance.
For Barry to support this would give him a much needed boost in numbers of jobs created. Don't the progressives want him to get reelected?
Who here would deny him his one positive move?

The VA has a drug rehab program. It's available to all Vets.

this move is not just or fair to all those who follow the laws,,

he has plenty of other things under his belt that I fully support, this is one on a short list that I do not

Who said all things were to be fair or just? This will work for me and millions of other working taxpayers. Too bad it wasn't done sooner.

Those who follow the law will pass with no problem.
I bet they aren't the least worried about failing.

Go Barry. Support this Law. It will get more moneies opened up for your Illegals.

Didn't know that.
Do they have to ask for treatment? What happens if they are found with illegal substances during routine exams?

the math doesnt back up the alleged logic behind the bill though

but, taxpayers perogative to spend 1000 dollars in order to save 10 dollars

I just dont want to hear the usual welfare naysayers complaining in the future about how much it 'costs' after they run through a bill that will make it cost even more,,,lol

thats false logic, that would be like assuming that white folks during jim crow times were not 'the least bit worried' about laws that affected non whites

the point is not personal affect, the point is affect on community and sense of justice,,,,

This is not a racial thang. Why make it one?
As before, drug users came in all races.

Preach it to Michigan also.

For Release: June 8, 2012
Contact: David Almasi at (202) 543-4110 x11 or (703) 568-4727 or project21@nationalcenter.org or Judy Kent at (703) 759-7476 or jkent@nationalcenter.org



Michigan Proposal Requiring Drug Tests for Welfare Recipients Hailed by Black Conservatives OMG!!! What racists!!

"This is a Win for the Recipient, Their Children and Taxpayers," Says Michigan Activist Stacy Swimp

"Drug Testing as a Condition of Receiving Tax-Funded Benefits Absolutely is Constitutional," Says Legal Expert Horace Cooper



Saginaw, MI / Washington, D.C. - Stacy Swimp and Horace Cooper of the black leadership group Project 21 are applauding the Michigan House of Representatives for voting Thursday to require Michigan welfare recipients over age 18 to pass a drug test as a condition of receiving benefits.

"The reality is that substance abuse is a prominent barrier preventing people from making the necessary transition from governmental dependence to self-reliance. Testing those needing welfare is not a matter of punishing them or their children. It is a way of liberating them," said Project 21's Stacy Swimp, a Michigan activist. "Once someone is found to have a substance abuse problem, the proper steps can be taken for treatment and recovery. This is a win for the recipient, their children and taxpayers. There is nothing unfair or inhuman about it."

In an overwhelming 71-to-37 vote, the Michigan House approved legislation June 7 to create a program in which the state's Department of Human Services would screen certain Family Independence Program applicants and recipients for substance abuse problems. The pilot program, to be instituted by 2015, would apply only to those over 18 years old already suspected of having a substance abuse problem.

To become law, the bill must now be pass

Perhaps your perspective should be that it as TOTALLY fair to the people who are genuinely good, non-drug using, need-a-hand types. They have nothing to fear except weeding out the people who abuse the system and give everyone on welfare a bad name.

Glass half full or empty? Once again, it's all about CHOICE.

I've worked in the VA's dual diagnosis unit here - drug/alcohol rehab. Yes, they ask for the treatment. I'll try to find out the answer to your other question. I don't know the answer.

'proper steps' taken by whom? do you suppose those with a problem need a test to let them know so they can 'begin' taking steps?

drug use


a prominent barrier that in florida so far has affected a full TWO PERCENT of those tested

whatever

keep throwing money where you want to,,as people love to so repeatedly point out

its 'your' money to spend,, or to waste,,

but, but, but. What about the thousands that won't take the drug test at all because they know they are dirty and wouldn't pass...no cost to the taxpayers.

Any kids, older than 15 they still have in the home who have had troubles at school need testing also. If they are dirty, take them out of the home and prosecute the 18+ year old for whatever will stick.
Drug use is a choice.

there will be no way to discern what those numbers are and who is motivated to take a pass because they are on drugs or because they are offended (the way some people pass on random 'searches' done by the police)....