Topic: THE NORAD TAPES and the governments new story...
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Sun 09/16/12 02:12 PM
There are many other such inconvenient facts that do not support the 9/11 Commission's new account of "flawed communications" etc.

Yes there is a flawed communication alright.

Its called COVER UP.

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Sun 09/16/12 02:20 PM

I can see you people have nothing intelligent to contribute to the facts.

The official story was rewritten when the NORAD tapes were introduced to the 9/11 commission and given first to Michael Bronner who was also the associate producer of the movie "United 93" which faithfully portrayed the Commission's new account to which the military could not possibly have shot this flight down.

For two years the official story was completely different and suggested that the military was complicit in allowing the attack to happen after a stand-down order, and they had plenty of time to shoot down flight 93, which I believe IS THE TRUE ACCOUNT.






ummm... so what? the military shoots down a plane that was going to crash the white house... and, i guess you forget, there was only about twenty calls from that plane, and no one saw any planes or at least mentioned them? not one person saw a missile heading towards it?

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Sun 09/16/12 02:36 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 09/16/12 02:41 PM


I can see you people have nothing intelligent to contribute to the facts.

The official story was rewritten when the NORAD tapes were introduced to the 9/11 commission and given first to Michael Bronner who was also the associate producer of the movie "United 93" which faithfully portrayed the Commission's new account to which the military could not possibly have shot this flight down.

For two years the official story was completely different and suggested that the military was complicit in allowing the attack to happen after a stand-down order, and they had plenty of time to shoot down flight 93, which I believe IS THE TRUE ACCOUNT.






ummm... so what? the military shoots down a plane that was going to crash the white house... and, i guess you forget, there was only about twenty calls from that plane, and no one saw any planes or at least mentioned them? not one person saw a missile heading towards it?


If you say "so what?" Then why would you try to argue with me about my personal feeling on the subject?

The phone calls from the plane? Seriously? I can drive to the next town over and I can't get a signal with any server. You think I believe that for one second that phone calls were made from the planes? ... no noway noway

That's a laugh. I heard those calls and they were as phony as a three dollar bill.

They produced a movie for cripe sake. They can produce phone calls and altered NORAD tapes.

Hey if they (the criminal Cabal) are guilty, (which I believe they are) they would do anything to cover that up. ANYTHING.

I believe there is a Criminal Cabal operating in this country and this world and within our government. I believe they kill people. I believe they would stop at nothing to cover up their crimes and activities.

So, no, I don't believe in any phone calls made from planes, and I don't believe the NORAD tapes are real.






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Sun 09/16/12 03:12 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Sun 09/16/12 03:15 PM

You can say it all you like, but a lack of evidence gives it little credibility.


A witness, especially a military general, I believe counts as "evidence."


I wasn't referring to that, but your assumption. Did you have a problem understanding my response?

... yet you claim to be unaware of Richard Gage?


I don't hang out with "superstars of twooferdom" Maybe you do.


So, you claim to know all there is to know and yet you are unaware of Richard Gage....er, right. Cool story, Bro'. Have you actually read this stuff? Or just some guy's blog?

Bronner was not the only individual to have access to the tapes. NORAD may have been reticent about handing over the tapes owing to them exposing their own confusion, or until they were requested. Why jump to conclusions when other possibilities exist? This demonstrates the poor use of logic and causality.

He was the "first." If there were more, then even more so were the tapes handled improperly and did not go through proper evidence channels -- and would be inadmissible in a courtroom

Oh...Yeh!!... but the 9/11 Commission was not a court room. It was a myth making panel. laugh


And this is a clear example of how you jump to conclusions without evidence. You've reached your conclusion and therefore, it must be so. Causality is ignored.

Oh, and I think you should worry about your own use of "logic and causality."


I don't have to question my capabilities in this area. Get back to me when you've done the hard yards and you understand what 'causality' means in practice.

It is not that the FAA was incompetent. Rather, the lack of communication between the FAA and NORAD was found to be at fault. You have no way of determining how much I've read about 9/11 and merely assume that you've done more than anyone else, yet you claim to be unaware of Richard Gage? This appeal to authority is rather pathetic.


The "lack of communication" as you put it was the 9/11 Commission omitting testimony and ignoring facts and calling a General and a Colonel "liars" or as you put it ... "mistaken."



But you can't prove otherwise by using the evidence available. You just extrapolate beyond its capabilities. That is, 'there is a conspiracy therefore, I have to make this stuff fit, and anyone who questions 'mah authoritah' is an idiot or a shill, or a dupe.' MM once said it was like talking to a child who puts its fingers in its ears and goes,"lalalalala"....how appropriate.

Will this take the usual two pages? I'm busy.




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Sun 09/16/12 03:13 PM



I can see you people have nothing intelligent to contribute to the facts.

The official story was rewritten when the NORAD tapes were introduced to the 9/11 commission and given first to Michael Bronner who was also the associate producer of the movie "United 93" which faithfully portrayed the Commission's new account to which the military could not possibly have shot this flight down.

For two years the official story was completely different and suggested that the military was complicit in allowing the attack to happen after a stand-down order, and they had plenty of time to shoot down flight 93, which I believe IS THE TRUE ACCOUNT.






ummm... so what? the military shoots down a plane that was going to crash the white house... and, i guess you forget, there was only about twenty calls from that plane, and no one saw any planes or at least mentioned them? not one person saw a missile heading towards it?


If you say "so what?" Then why would you try to argue with me about my personal feeling on the subject?

The phone calls from the plane? Seriously? I can drive to the next town over and I can't get a signal with any server. You think I believe that for one second that phone calls were made from the planes? ... no noway noway

That's a laugh. I heard those calls and they were as phony as a three dollar bill.

They produced a movie for cripe sake. They can produce phone calls and altered NORAD tapes.

Hey if they (the criminal Cabal) are guilty, (which I believe they are) they would do anything to cover that up. ANYTHING.

I believe there is a Criminal Cabal operating in this country and this world and within our government. I believe they kill people. I believe they would stop at nothing to cover up their crimes and activities.

So, no, I don't believe in any phone calls made from planes, and I don't believe the NORAD tapes are real.








you don't believe anything but your fantasy world, where things only happen the way you want it to happen, with no touch of reality. they have all the recordings of the phone calls, but you don't believe it. anytime someone says anything, you don't believe it. live in your fantasy world, it's only hurting yourself, no one else. any evidence that doesn't directly say what your fantasy says is a lie to you. since nobody in the world knows the truth but you, and you have yet to prove anything about anything you say, so why do you keep posting this crap?

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Sun 09/16/12 04:31 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 09/16/12 04:42 PM
For those of you who think you know what happened and think I am wrong for "lack of evidence."

Why should I assume that the 9/11 Commission are telling the truth when so much evidence shows that they have omitted any testimony that does not jive with their new myth of 9/11?

Why should I assume that Major General Larry Arnold and Colonel Alan Scott are liars just because they say so?

Why should I believe that the NORAD tapes are not just a Hollywood production like the movie about UA flight 93 and the faked cell phone calls from hijacked planes?

If the Bush/Cheney administration are guilty of setting up or being complicit to another false flag event, why would I or any investigator not investigate that possibility?

If they are guilty, would they not go to any length to cover that up?

I think they would! Of course they would.

Why should I assume that the FAA are totally incompetent? According to the 9/11 Commission's new account they are all a bunch of bungling idiots and should all be fired.

Why should I assume that 9/11 was NOT a false flag?



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Sun 09/16/12 04:38 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 09/16/12 04:40 PM




I can see you people have nothing intelligent to contribute to the facts.

The official story was rewritten when the NORAD tapes were introduced to the 9/11 commission and given first to Michael Bronner who was also the associate producer of the movie "United 93" which faithfully portrayed the Commission's new account to which the military could not possibly have shot this flight down.

For two years the official story was completely different and suggested that the military was complicit in allowing the attack to happen after a stand-down order, and they had plenty of time to shoot down flight 93, which I believe IS THE TRUE ACCOUNT.






ummm... so what? the military shoots down a plane that was going to crash the white house... and, i guess you forget, there was only about twenty calls from that plane, and no one saw any planes or at least mentioned them? not one person saw a missile heading towards it?


If you say "so what?" Then why would you try to argue with me about my personal feeling on the subject?

The phone calls from the plane? Seriously? I can drive to the next town over and I can't get a signal with any server. You think I believe that for one second that phone calls were made from the planes? ... no noway noway

That's a laugh. I heard those calls and they were as phony as a three dollar bill.

They produced a movie for cripe sake. They can produce phone calls and altered NORAD tapes.

Hey if they (the criminal Cabal) are guilty, (which I believe they are) they would do anything to cover that up. ANYTHING.

I believe there is a Criminal Cabal operating in this country and this world and within our government. I believe they kill people. I believe they would stop at nothing to cover up their crimes and activities.

So, no, I don't believe in any phone calls made from planes, and I don't believe the NORAD tapes are real.



you don't believe anything but your fantasy world, where things only happen the way you want it to happen, with no touch of reality. they have all the recordings of the phone calls, but you don't believe it. anytime someone says anything, you don't believe it. live in your fantasy world, it's only hurting yourself, no one else. any evidence that doesn't directly say what your fantasy says is a lie to you. since nobody in the world knows the truth but you, and you have yet to prove anything about anything you say, so why do you keep posting this crap?


I post this "crap" for the people who have been lied to.

It is not for you. You want to believe the lies. So be it. Go ahead.

So if you don't like it then you don't have to click on this thread.

No, I don't believe the 9/11 Commission's new and rewritten account of 9/11.

If they had not rewritten it, you guys would be in here defending the OLD story cause you just believe anything that they tell you.

For TWO YEARS THE STORY WAS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT and people like you did not even notice or blink.

Then they come in and rewrite it and absolve the Military of their complicit actions and blame everything on the FAA. And yet who in the FAA got fired or disciplined? Not a single bungling idiot.

So if they are really that incompetent, then you can rest assured that anytime you want to hijack a plane, nobody will notify the Military until you crash it into a field or something.

And next time you fly, try using your cell phone and see how that works out.




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Sun 09/16/12 05:57 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Sun 09/16/12 06:10 PM

For those of you who think you know what happened and think I am wrong for "lack of evidence."

Why should I assume that the 9/11 Commission are telling the truth when so much evidence shows that they have omitted any testimony that does not jive with their new myth of 9/11?

Why should I assume that Major General Larry Arnold and Colonel Alan Scott are liars just because they say so?

Why should I believe that the NORAD tapes are not just a Hollywood production like the movie about UA flight 93 and the faked cell phone calls from hijacked planes?

If the Bush/Cheney administration are guilty of setting up or being complicit to another false flag event, why would I or any investigator not investigate that possibility?

If they are guilty, would they not go to any length to cover that up?

I think they would! Of course they would.

Why should I assume that the FAA are totally incompetent? According to the 9/11 Commission's new account they are all a bunch of bungling idiots and should all be fired.

Why should I assume that 9/11 was NOT a false flag?





Are you actually reading the responses to you in this thread?


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Sun 09/16/12 06:06 PM
9/11. why don't people listen to her?

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Sun 09/16/12 06:07 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 09/16/12 06:09 PM
Are you actually reading the responses to you in this thread?


Yes, and honestly I can't believe you people are so gullible to defend and believe the new 9/11 account which is clearly a myth.

Created by a friend and club member, and myth maker. laugh laugh

..By using NORAD tapes "discovered" or "acquired" by a journalist turned Movie Producer. laugh

Yeh, okay.... um.... no, I don't buy that.

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Sun 09/16/12 06:09 PM





I can see you people have nothing intelligent to contribute to the facts.

The official story was rewritten when the NORAD tapes were introduced to the 9/11 commission and given first to Michael Bronner who was also the associate producer of the movie "United 93" which faithfully portrayed the Commission's new account to which the military could not possibly have shot this flight down.

For two years the official story was completely different and suggested that the military was complicit in allowing the attack to happen after a stand-down order, and they had plenty of time to shoot down flight 93, which I believe IS THE TRUE ACCOUNT.






ummm... so what? the military shoots down a plane that was going to crash the white house... and, i guess you forget, there was only about twenty calls from that plane, and no one saw any planes or at least mentioned them? not one person saw a missile heading towards it?


If you say "so what?" Then why would you try to argue with me about my personal feeling on the subject?

The phone calls from the plane? Seriously? I can drive to the next town over and I can't get a signal with any server. You think I believe that for one second that phone calls were made from the planes? ... no noway noway

That's a laugh. I heard those calls and they were as phony as a three dollar bill.

They produced a movie for cripe sake. They can produce phone calls and altered NORAD tapes.

Hey if they (the criminal Cabal) are guilty, (which I believe they are) they would do anything to cover that up. ANYTHING.

I believe there is a Criminal Cabal operating in this country and this world and within our government. I believe they kill people. I believe they would stop at nothing to cover up their crimes and activities.

So, no, I don't believe in any phone calls made from planes, and I don't believe the NORAD tapes are real.



you don't believe anything but your fantasy world, where things only happen the way you want it to happen, with no touch of reality. they have all the recordings of the phone calls, but you don't believe it. anytime someone says anything, you don't believe it. live in your fantasy world, it's only hurting yourself, no one else. any evidence that doesn't directly say what your fantasy says is a lie to you. since nobody in the world knows the truth but you, and you have yet to prove anything about anything you say, so why do you keep posting this crap?


I post this "crap" for the people who have been lied to.


For those you 'assume' have been lied to.

It is not for you. You want to believe the lies. So be it. Go ahead.


This is how hypotheses become 'facts'...repetition.

So if you don't like it then you don't have to click on this thread.


So, only participate if you agree.

No, I don't believe the 9/11 Commission's new and rewritten account of 9/11.


You've made that clear.

If they had not rewritten it, you guys would be in here defending the OLD story cause you just believe anything that they tell you.


You are not really comprehending the responses in an adult manner.

For TWO YEARS THE STORY WAS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT and people like you did not even notice or blink.


Here it comes...the ad hominem

Then they come in and rewrite it and absolve the Military of their complicit actions and blame everything on the FAA. And yet who in the FAA got fired or disciplined? Not a single bungling idiot.


You are misrepresenting the evidence.

So if they are really that incompetent, then you can rest assured that anytime you want to hijack a plane, nobody will notify the Military until you crash it into a field or something.


You know that legislation has been enacted to implement efficient communication between the agencies, so, this is just nonsense.

And next time you fly, try using your cell phone and see how that works out.


Btw, mobile phones work fine in Australian aircraft, but the airlines request passengers not to use them. I received phone calls from planes well before 9/11. Perhaps the technology in the US is not up to our standard?


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Sun 09/16/12 06:11 PM

Are you actually reading the responses to you in this thread?


Yes, and honestly I can't believe you people are so gullible to defend and believe the new 9/11 account which is clearly a myth.

Created by a friend and club member, and myth maker. laugh laugh

..By using NORAD tapes "discovered" or "acquired" by a journalist turned Movie Producer. laugh

Yeh, okay.... um.... no, I don't buy that.



Oh please, your hyperbole is beyond silly.

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Sun 09/16/12 06:13 PM
You know that legislation has been enacted to implement efficient communication between the agencies, so, this is just nonsense.


Oh goody, more "legislation." How's that working out?

Should I feel safe then?

Sure... ......until the next time.




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Sun 09/16/12 06:14 PM


Are you actually reading the responses to you in this thread?


Yes, and honestly I can't believe you people are so gullible to defend and believe the new 9/11 account which is clearly a myth.

Created by a friend and club member, and myth maker. laugh laugh

..By using NORAD tapes "discovered" or "acquired" by a journalist turned Movie Producer. laugh

Yeh, okay.... um.... no, I don't buy that.



Oh please, your hyperbole is beyond silly.


Its all true.

Forgive me if I don't put my faith in a hollywood producer who made millions on that movie.

He is the one who "acquired" the NORAD tapes two years after 9/11.

Two years.

UM.... nah.... sorry, I don't buy that....

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Sun 09/16/12 06:17 PM

You know that legislation has been enacted to implement efficient communication between the agencies, so, this is just nonsense.


Oh goody, more "legislation." How's that working out?

Should I feel safe then?

Sure... ......until the next time.



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Sun 09/16/12 06:19 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 09/16/12 06:20 PM
Quote attributed to Henry Kissinger:

"There is a 'THEY' and they are out to get us."

(And he should know.)

HotRodDeluxe's photo
Sun 09/16/12 06:27 PM
Now it is just getting silly.

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Sun 09/16/12 06:28 PM

Now it is just getting silly.


Yes it is and that is because of you.

HotRodDeluxe's photo
Sun 09/16/12 06:29 PM



Are you actually reading the responses to you in this thread?


Yes, and honestly I can't believe you people are so gullible to defend and believe the new 9/11 account which is clearly a myth.

Created by a friend and club member, and myth maker. laugh laugh

..By using NORAD tapes "discovered" or "acquired" by a journalist turned Movie Producer. laugh

Yeh, okay.... um.... no, I don't buy that.



Oh please, your hyperbole is beyond silly.


Its all true.

Forgive me if I don't put my faith in a hollywood producer who made millions on that movie.

He is the one who "acquired" the NORAD tapes two years after 9/11.

Two years.

UM.... nah.... sorry, I don't buy that....


Well, I wouldn't buy into a gross over-simplification that misrepresented the facts as this post has done.

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Sun 09/16/12 06:29 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Sun 09/16/12 06:31 PM


Now it is just getting silly.


Yes it is and that is because of you.


Well, I'm not the one raving stupid nonsense. You are obviously out of sorts owing to your recent responses. Perhaps it is time to walk away for a bit.